Benny Baker Posted March 14 Posted March 14 7 minutes ago, .357 said: Who has an equal or larger hockey fanbase & who has the more passionate fans? MN may have 3x the alumni, but that doesn't mean diddly if the vast majority of them are lukewarm fans or not even interested at all in hockey. The vast majority of boosters/alumni at schools like OSU, PSU, Notre Dame, MI, etc will be opening their checkbooks for their favorite football & basketball players, hockey is a distant third in priorities at those large schools, if that. Mankato, Quinnipiac, Denver & Boston College were also in a national title game during the last 4 years; all with smaller enrollments than UND. It's fallacious to argue that a school needs a large enrollment/alumni base like MN in order to compete in modern college hockey NIL... And Jackson Blake may have been ready & wanting to go pro regardless of what was offered to him by the Collective. It's impossible to say that NIL money, or a lack thereof, was responsible for him leaving without knowing him personally or him stating publicly, which he hasn't. You’re right. I’m wrong. UND hockey, athletics, and its NIL collective have been crushing it as of late. All is well folks. Sorry for any false alarm.
.357 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 13 minutes ago, Benny Baker said: You’re right. I’m wrong. UND hockey, athletics, and its NIL collective have been crushing it as of late. All is well folks. Sorry for any false alarm. All I'm saying is that NIL for college hockey isn't as daunting & threatening to smaller schools as it's made out to be..plenty of smaller schools are thriving outside of the B10: Maine, DU, QU, W. Mich, Providence, Mankato, BC & more. 3
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted March 14 Posted March 14 1 hour ago, Benny Baker said: So you agree, then? After all, it was UofM’s independent NIL program—Dinkytown Athletes—that was literally first to announce Jimmy Snuggerud’s return by tweeting he’s “coming back for another year with @DTAthletes”. I must have missed the 1889’s collective tweet about Jackson Blake returning this season. I saw you later added a comment about UofM’s comms and foreign students. I have to wonder the same then about all of UND’s similar degrees and the Russians and Chinese we’ve trained as pilots. Boosters at a place like Bama, tOSU and Georgia are more engaged because of success. Gopher hockey is certainly unique because of geography, and they'll have boosters regardless of success, but memories of a championship help turn that casual fan turned aristocrat into a megadonor. You are correct that they are out ahead of us for NIL, just seems that for them to compete in FB and MBB they'll be throwing money down a pit. If they one day realize hockey is their best bang for their buck, look out.
.357 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 29 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: Boosters at a place like Bama, tOSU and Georgia are more engaged because of success. Gopher hockey is certainly unique because of geography, and they'll have boosters regardless of success, but memories of a championship help turn that casual fan turned aristocrat into a megadonor. You are correct that they are out ahead of us for NIL, just seems that for them to compete in FB and MBB they'll be throwing money down a pit. If they one day realize hockey is their best bang for their buck, look out. MN of course has many more alumni, but it's the percentage of those alumni who have deep pockets AND are passionate about their Gopher hockey team. And I'd argue that shrewd coaches like Ferschweiler & Carle who can recruit & develop the right players + implement effective systems are more important than simply throwing big money at the latest Canadian hockey phenom. I thought the Englestad family had a contingency in their kitty for something like NIL. Maybe not. 1
siouxkid12 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 12 hours ago, Benny Baker said: You’re right. It is apples and oranges. But just like UND doesn’t have the resources for those types of buyouts, it doesn’t have the resources to compete in the NIL arena with schools like Minnesota either. I am not overly concerned about NIL deals and if they will make or break a hockey program. 1
siouxkid12 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 10 hours ago, Benny Baker said: So you agree, then? After all, it was UofM’s independent NIL program—Dinkytown Athletes—that was literally first to announce Jimmy Snuggerud’s return by tweeting he’s “coming back for another year with @DTAthletes”. I must have missed the 1889’s collective tweet about Jackson Blake returning this season. I saw you later added a comment about UofM’s comms and foreign students. I have to wonder the same then about all of UND’s similar degrees and the Russians and Chinese we’ve trained as pilots. I honestly think Blake's main objective was to get to the NHL and no amount of NIL money was going to make him stay.
siouxkid12 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 9 hours ago, .357 said: Who has an equal or larger hockey fanbase & who has the more passionate fans? MN may have 3x the alumni, but that doesn't mean diddly if the vast majority of them are lukewarm fans or not even interested at all in hockey. The vast majority of boosters/alumni at schools like OSU, PSU, Notre Dame, MI, etc will be opening their checkbooks for their favorite football & basketball players, hockey is a distant third in priorities at those large schools, if that. Mankato, Quinnipiac, Denver & Boston College were also in a national title game during the last 4 years; all with smaller enrollments than UND. It's fallacious to argue that a school needs a large enrollment/alumni base like MN in order to compete in modern college hockey NIL... And Jackson Blake may have been ready & wanting to go pro regardless of what was offered to him by the Collective. It's impossible to say that NIL money, or a lack thereof, was responsible for him leaving without knowing him personally or him stating publicly, which he hasn't. I keep hearing about how passionate our fanbase is and by your logic we should have a fully funded NIL collective. UND may have a passionate fanbase, but majority of our fans are not giving money to the 1883 collective. 1
90siouxfan Posted March 14 Posted March 14 Not to interrupt the riveting debate, but has KEM shown any indication of favoring Smaby?
AJS Posted March 14 Posted March 14 11 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: I keep hearing about how passionate our fanbase is and by your logic we should have a fully funded NIL collective. UND may have a passionate fanbase, but majority of our fans are not giving money to the 1883 collective. 100%. Would help if the hockey coaches acknowledged the 1883 collective. New world of athletics, they have to be fundraisers as well if they want to be successful. If you want an example, see Schmidt and his football staff. The drives they are doing for new members.
Oxbow6 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 23 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: I keep hearing about how passionate our fanbase is and by your logic we should have a fully funded NIL collective. UND may have a passionate fanbase, but majority of our fans are not giving money to the 1883 collective. Season tickets, Champions Club, 1883 Collective..... At some point with the state of the athletic department when is the ROI gonna cause some to change directions? Remember these are entertainment dollars. Plenty of other options out there to compete for those dollars. With all those that have made/are making millions in the NHL the hockey NIL should be the easiest to fund IMO. ...and that's not even mentioning the Alumni Association Foundation. 2 2
siouxkid12 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, AJS said: 100%. Would help if the hockey coaches acknowledged the 1883 collective. New world of athletics, they have to be fundraisers as well if they want to be successful. If you want an example, see Schmidt and his football staff. The drives they are doing for new members. Fundraising and University promotion are not Berry's strengths.
gfhockey Posted March 14 Posted March 14 15 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: Fundraising and University promotion are not Berry's strengths. Beer drinking is tho
The Sicatoka Posted March 14 Posted March 14 12 hours ago, .357 said: Unless someone here has an article stating otherwise that college hockey NIL comes from the schools themselves A NIL collective is an entity fiscally separate from a school. https://1883collective.com/faq/ 1
AJS Posted March 14 Posted March 14 31 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said: Fundraising and University promotion are not Berry's strengths. Let's get into a hypothetical situation. UND loses a key player(s) to the portal. In this situation, playing time would not be the reason. That would be a blackeye for the program. Is it fair to assume the narrative from the Berry propaganda machine is it was NIL related? Let's lock that in as the reason. If that is indeed the reason, then what's he doing to rectify that situation? Is that really the entire reason? Hypothetical of course, but I would say this would be another situation where the propaganda machine would direct any blame from Berry and this coaching staff. Why I and others highlight the lowlights, is because others (media, some fans) dismiss them completely. 1
.357 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 20 minutes ago, AJS said: Let's get into a hypothetical situation. UND loses a key player(s) to the portal. In this situation, playing time would not be the reason. That would be a blackeye for the program. Is it fair to assume the narrative from the Berry propaganda machine is it was NIL related? Let's lock that in as the reason. If that is indeed the reason, then what's he doing to rectify that situation? Is that really the entire reason? Hypothetical of course, but I would say this would be another situation where the propaganda machine would direct any blame from Berry and this coaching staff. Why I and others highlight the lowlights, is because others (media, some fans) dismiss them completely. Using Boisvert as an example & if he were being lured away with big bucks to another program, I think UND would move heaven & earth to find a donor to outbid anyone else. He's that important to the team. So that if he or any other player of his caliber left UND & it wasn't related to playing time, it would likely be because that player felt he wasn't developing like he thought he should be or the team's potential didn't match his expectations. 1
AJS Posted March 14 Posted March 14 8 minutes ago, .357 said: it would likely be because that player felt he wasn't developing like he thought he should be or the team's potential didn't match his expectations. I think this would be 100% accurate, I also don't think this is how it would be framed by the local media. 1
90siouxfan Posted March 14 Posted March 14 18 minutes ago, .357 said: Using Boisvert as an example & if he were being lured away with big bucks to another program, I think UND would move heaven & earth to find a donor to outbid anyone else. He's that important to the team. So that if he or any other player of his caliber left UND & it wasn't related to playing time, it would likely be because that player felt he wasn't developing like he thought he should be or the team's potential didn't match his expectations. Hasn't it been noted on here that Sacha doesn't get enough time, especially power play time? Not trying to derail your point, just saying. The SS.com quorum of 13 has expressed that particular fact. 1
.357 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 37 minutes ago, AJS said: I think this would be 100% accurate, I also don't think this is how it would be framed by the local media. Correct. Local media in a small market will almost always try to deflect any negativity away from the HC. The Herald is no different. Expect slanted articles where feelings don't get hurt & honesty doesn't get revealed. Which is unfortunate, because a journalist should never be a mere mouthpiece for the program. I pay $9.99/month for Schlossman's reporting on players, recruits, game recaps, etc, not his honesty. Discernment.
Oxbow6 Posted March 14 Posted March 14 23 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Hasn't it been noted on here that Sacha doesn't get enough time, especially power play time? Not trying to derail your point, just saying. The SS.com quorum of 13 has expressed that particular fact. I'm going with Kunz isn't part of the 13?
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Posted March 14 14 hours ago, .357 said: All I'm saying is that NIL for college hockey isn't as daunting & threatening to smaller schools as it's made out to be..plenty of smaller schools are thriving outside of the B10: Maine, DU, QU, W. Mich, Providence, Mankato, BC & more. 13 hours ago, .357 said: MN of course has many more alumni, but it's the percentage of those alumni who have deep pockets AND are passionate about their Gopher hockey team. And I'd argue that shrewd coaches like Ferschweiler & Carle who can recruit & develop the right players + implement effective systems are more important than simply throwing big money at the latest Canadian hockey phenom. I thought the Englestad family had a contingency in their kitty for something like NIL. Maybe not. You need to listen to this podcast... you can hear from people who know a hell of a lot more about it, but to summarize.... Everything you have said is in no way remotely the case and your assumptions seem to be based in pure fantasy and denial.
Frozen4sioux Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 hours ago, siouxkid12 said: I am not overly concerned about NIL deals and if they will make or break a hockey program. Unfortunately, the best way to categorize this thinking is naive. But to hold this opinion still on the NILs importance to a program in reality is well past the "head in sand" or Neville Chamberlain territory. Its Kodak thinking digital pictures are a fad category
Sweethockey Posted March 14 Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said: You need to listen to this podcast... you can hear from people who know a hell of a lot more about it, but to summarize.... Everything you have said is in no way remotely the case and your assumptions seem to be based in pure fantasy and denial. As I spit my coffee onto my laptop once again...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 14 Posted March 14 17 hours ago, Benny Baker said: You’re right. It is apples and oranges. But just like UND doesn’t have the resources for those types of buyouts, it doesn’t have the resources to compete in the NIL arena with schools like Minnesota either. We are not going to become a plucky little mid-major in NCAA hockey. It cannot be allowed to happen. It must not be allowed to happen. You have already accepted it as an unchangeable fact; I never will accept it. If we allow this to happen, we'll be no different than the athletic department of an HBCU.
fightingsioux4life Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 hours ago, 90siouxfan said: Not to interrupt the riveting debate, but has KEM shown any indication of favoring Smaby? I honestly don't care what she thinks. It is high time we start broadening our donor base (for hockey and all other sports). Relying on the whims of one donor is a bad idea, I don't care who her daddy was.
fightingsioux4life Posted March 14 Posted March 14 5 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Season tickets, Champions Club, 1883 Collective..... At some point with the state of the athletic department when is the ROI gonna cause some to change directions? Remember these are entertainment dollars. Plenty of other options out there to compete for those dollars. With all those that have made/are making millions in the NHL the hockey NIL should be the easiest to fund IMO. ...and that's not even mentioning the Alumni Association Foundation. What efforts are being made to court potential NIL donors to the collective? I really hope the answer isn't "little to none".
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