Yote 53 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 NCAA got their butts handed to them in court for trying to maintain control. I'm of the opinion that even if the NCAA would have "got out in front" of NIL and provided some sort of payment structure to athletes years ago that there would have been at least one player to push the envelope and sue and we'd be where we are now anyway. The only thing that is going to reign this all in is an act of Congress that will provide coverage for the NCAA from the courts. The only other thing that can stop the NIL/transfer fiasco is if donors get tired of throwing their money away for nothing. When the ROI doesn't pay, maybe the NIL money will dry up. I doubt that though, there are too many big money donors that have funds to burn. As for this kid, he should have got it in writing before he ever stepped foot in Vegas. UNLV is going to get a rep for not acting in good faith, but at the end of this, these kids want to get paid like pros so they can get treated like pros. Sign the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 NIL donations are not tax deductible. I'd rather donate to UNDAA&F (scholarships) and get the write-off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsFan03 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 8 minutes ago, Yote 53 said: As for this kid, he should have got it in writing before he ever stepped foot in Vegas. UNLV is going to get a rep for not acting in good faith, but at the end of this, these kids want to get paid like pros so they can get treated like pros. Sign the contract. Agree, he should have never stepped foot in Vegas until he got a signed contract. However, that still doesn't change the fact that UNLV legitimately tried to scam the kid. Let's not forget that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 31 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said: Agree, he should have never stepped foot in Vegas until he got a signed contract. However, that still doesn't change the fact that UNLV legitimately tried to scam the kid. Let's not forget that. Did UNLV “scam” him or did the UNLV collective? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Almost wonder if the NCAA doesn't give a sh*t that these things are happening to the big boys. They are all going to break away anyway, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsFan03 Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 19 minutes ago, homer said: Did UNLV “scam” him or did the UNLV collective? From what I've seen, UNLV coaches were the ones that promised the $100k and then kept telling him it would come until it didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 And another one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 1 Timothy 6:10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 I could see in the near future that a player signs a NIL deal at "xyz school" they are there for 5 years or if they break the contract to go to the portal, they pay back the NIL that they received. Well players, you are getting what you wanted and when you start having contracts with clauses in them about transferring and how you will pay back the NIL money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 This tweet has other posts that Sine said Cromartie isn't a registered agent in Nevada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 4 hours ago, zonadub said: The government (courts) caused this. Remember Regan’s 9 scariest words… I’m from the government and I’m here to help. The almighty "free market" has been a total disaster in this situation. So what do you suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 2 hours ago, cberkas said: So UNLV is going to play by the old rules and pretend NIL doesn't exist? Might as well move back to Division 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted September 25 Share Posted September 25 45 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: So UNLV is going to play by the old rules and pretend NIL doesn't exist? Might as well move back to Division 2. I don’t know what actually happened but UNLV is covering their ass since they cannot be directly paying any players. Their collective is not connected to their athletic dept. Everyone knows that’s not true but it’s the problem with NIL. Players and fans don’t understand it. The kid was apparently promised something from someone with no contract tying anyone to that promise. I’m not sure who is actually at fault the school for “making a promise” or the kid for committing their “based on any non binding promise” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said: The almighty "free market" has been a total disaster in this situation. So what do you suggest? I don’t know how to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 6 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said: From what I've seen, UNLV coaches were the ones that promised the $100k and then kept telling him it would come until it didn't. A tweet from Carl Reed Jr says the kids family hired an agent and they feel his market value is more than UNLV is paying him and that is what is behind it. Certainly his decision but far from his and your side of the story on this. Truth is likely somewhere in the middle but is UNLV still at fault for “scamming” him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 1 hour ago, homer said: A tweet from Carl Reed Jr says the kids family hired an agent and they feel his market value is more than UNLV is paying him and that is what is behind it. Certainly his decision but far from his and your side of the story on this. Truth is likely somewhere in the middle but is UNLV still at fault for “scamming” him. His dad said the sources were wrong then deleted his whole account. This is going to get ugly really quick at other schools if this starts happening. Nick Saban said when he had recruits asking how much money they will make it was the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 I didn't realize we were in the NCAA free agent signing period. I thought that was off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 14 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said: The almighty "free market" has been a total disaster in this situation. So what do you suggest? It's going to take a few years to get this sorted out between the new "legal" way and the old "under the table" way. There was clearly a disconnect in this situation, and no written contract. I suspect that in a few years there will be a fairly standard template of contracts between the collectives/boosters and players. I'm curious to see if the $ being raised by collectives stays the same, goes up, or goes down. The ROI for donors has to be next to nothing. The pool of individuals with the ability, and desire, to be pumping in high 6 or 7 figures year after year to pay for top players has to be limited. Additionally, if all the similarly situated programs are doing the same thing it will just end up in a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yote 53 Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 This is related. Here we have another player quitting on the season to preserve his redshirt so he can transfer and get paid. A school would be foolish to bring in players like this. This guy is going to be on his third school now. Very checkered history of fence jumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 20 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said: It's going to take a few years to get this sorted out between the new "legal" way and the old "under the table" way. There was clearly a disconnect in this situation, and no written contract. I suspect that in a few years there will be a fairly standard template of contracts between the collectives/boosters and players. I'm curious to see if the $ being raised by collectives stays the same, goes up, or goes down. The ROI for donors has to be next to nothing. The pool of individuals with the ability, and desire, to be pumping in high 6 or 7 figures year after year to pay for top players has to be limited. Additionally, if all the similarly situated programs are doing the same thing it will just end up in a wash. The ROI in this case isn't $$$$$, it's W's. As in wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 18 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: 1 Timothy 6:10 Is that the ratio Timothy made in his NIL deal. Joking, Joking, not trying to blaspheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 32 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: The ROI in this case isn't $$$$$, it's W's. As in wins. But eventually when players keep jumping the fans lose interest the first instant their teams don’t get those wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 5 minutes ago, tnt said: Is that the ratio Timothy made in his NIL deal. Maybe? No matter what he should have Matthew (the tax man) negotiate the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted September 26 Share Posted September 26 29 minutes ago, homer said: But eventually when players keep jumping the fans lose interest the first instant their teams don’t get those wins. Which is why the status quo is simply not sustainable in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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