UND @ Murray State

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Observations:

The worst PI of the last five minutes of the game was a offensive PI ... uncalled against Murray. 

Bubba is a concrete man, footings and foundation. You want the house roofed and finished you call in that crew. (Ask B Nielsen when at UMD.) 

agreed, foundation set, need someone else to provide the finishing touches. Chaves and Bubba need to sit down and iron this thing out. Waiting until after 2025 is going to be painful, and it’s all on Chaves and his aimless extension. 

[homer]

9 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Terrible in 2014, yes, but not significantly better in 2023. 1 playoff win in 10 seasons. The point of reflecting back to 2014 is brought up to actually prove a point/argument. You need to know where you’ve been to know where you’re going. Been 10 seasons with 1 playoff win and a couple extensions; I don’t know UND’s athletic department can be so fragile. Sure, tons of stability with it, but no willingness to take any risks is mind-boggling and a blatant mistake by Chaves/UND AD. 

There is no way to really know how a game between 2023 and 2014 would go but the product on the field is better.  If you are going to write off every win we have in 2023, certainly you are not going to lift every win in 2014.  
 

My opinion is the last few games the lack of depth/experience is starting to show.  That is going to be a challenging thing to build at the FCS level for any team but is a spot this staff needs to figure out.  I don’t have the answers but it is certainly a challenge. 

[homer]

8 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

They hit a ceiling, years ago. Your comments make me think you’re either biased and/or misinformed, because your comments are generalized and almost non-factual.
 

It’s been 10 years. How far has the team truly come? Anyone actually watching this program has seen 5-7 in 2014 turn into perennial 7-4 and no playoff wins. They have not made substantial progress despite what some try to portray. 

“I understand the frustration that the team hasn't been past the 1st round of the playoffs much, but Bubba has taken the team there a few times. “

- they have only won one playoff game. EVER. During an asterisk season in spring 2021. Bubba has not been able to transform UND into a championship caliber program, period. They can’t win playoff games and routinely miss the playoffs. 

UND was winning more than 5 games prior to Bubba. Mussman got UND to 8 wins in 2011. It’s not some impossible task to get UND football to FCS championship level (see South Dakota State); but it requires a certain effort and talent to get them there. Bubba is at the end of his career, and the projection is well established at year 10; he’s not that guy. 

!@#$, 2011 is your bar now…..lol

[UND-FB-FAN]

13 minutes ago, homer said:

There is no way to really know how a game between 2023 and 2014 would go but the product on the field is better.  If you are going to write off every win we have in 2023, certainly you are not going to lift every win in 2014.  
 

My opinion is the last few games the lack of depth/experience is starting to show.  That is going to be a challenging thing to build at the FCS level for any team but is a spot this staff needs to figure out.  I don’t have the answers but it is certainly a challenge. 

Been some victories, been some losses. There’s been some fun times between 2014-2023, heck just this year against NDSU, but what UND is consistently doing is not currently championship level. Look at the product on the field. I agree it’s better now than in 2014, but it’s not anywhere close to being championship level. Can’t win big games, can’t win playoff games. Can’t recruit enough big time players. Can’t make big time decisions in big games, can’t lead/excite the team. Too many mistakes. Just look At yesterday’s game @ Murray State. The depth talk has been regurgitated endlessly over the past 5-7 years as an explanation, it’s not the whole story.
 

Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is (insanity) the challenge. Need to change things up and that’s on Chaves; it’s his job. But there’s no pressure on him at all; the cash cow is hockey and that is all that matters it seems, especially with blind extensions. No vision for championships. Like I said, painfully consistent is the name of the game until some change happens. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

11 minutes ago, homer said:

!@#$, 2011 is your bar now…..lol

Simply responding to the previous post which erroneously stated UND couldn’t win anything prior to Bubba.

“The team finished 2013 with just 3 wins and couldn't break 5 wins for several years”

2011 Mussman team was still quite awful- definitely not my bar - but they did win more games than Bubba’s first two seasons. 

[homer]

7 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Simply responding to the previous post which erroneously stated UND couldn’t win anything prior to Bubba.

“The team finished 2013 with just 3 wins and couldn't break 5 wins for several years”

2011 Mussman team was still quite awful- definitely not my bar - but they did win more games than Bubba’s first two seasons. 

Look who they played.  If this years team and staff played that schedule with the exact same results you would be crapping all over them worse than you do now. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 minutes ago, homer said:

Look who they played.  If this years team and staff played that schedule with the exact same results you would be crapping all over them worse than you do now. 

I’m not arguing that point. I was just responding to a different posters (@108498) opinion/post, which I feel incorrectly portrays the situation and tries to inappropriately deescalate the pressure on UND’s current head coach.

My post:
“2011 Mussman team was still quite awful- definitely not my bar - but they did win more games than Bubba’s first two seasons. “

 

 

[homer]

3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I’m not arguing that point. I was just responding to a different posters opinion/post, which I felt incorrectly portrayed the situation and tried to inappropriately deescalate the pressure on Bubba

My post:
“2011 Mussman team was still quite awful- definitely not my bar - but they did win more games than Bubba’s first two seasons. “

 

 

4 wins vs non scholly or D2 and lower.   Yet that’s your bar.   Nice

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 minutes ago, homer said:

4 wins vs non scholly or D2 and lower.   Yet that’s your bar.   Nice

Ok dude. You do you. Not my bar and never said that. You’re off on a tangent now. I don’t care about Mussman football currently, those teams were awful and that’s well in the past.
 

UND football CURRENTLY with Schweigert is not good enough if you’d like to see UND football win a championship. Fargo, ND and Brookings, SD can do it, but how about Grand Forks?

[Nodak78]

49 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

They hit a ceiling, years ago. Your comments make me think you’re either biased and/or misinformed, because your comments are generalized and almost non-factual.
 

It’s been 10 years. How far has the team truly come? Anyone actually watching this program has seen 5-7 in 2014 turn into perennial 7-4 and no playoff wins. They have not made substantial progress despite what some try to portray. 

“I understand the frustration that the team hasn't been past the 1st round of the playoffs much, but Bubba has taken the team there a few times. “

- they have only won one playoff game. EVER. During an asterisk season in spring 2021. Bubba has not been able to transform UND into a championship caliber program, period. They can’t win playoff games and routinely miss the playoffs. 

UND was winning more than 5 games prior to Bubba. Mussman got UND to 8 wins in 2011. It’s not some impossible task to get UND football to FCS championship level (see South Dakota State); but it requires a certain effort and talent to get them there. Bubba is at the end of his career, and the projection is well established at year 10; he’s not that guy. 

Compare the 2011 schedule to our MVFC.  Grasping at straws.

2011 Football Schedule - University of North Dakota Athletics (fightinghawks.com). Black Hills St, Montana western,  Sioux falls.  Really

[108498]

I think we all know that UND is not at the level we want them to be at. I think any fan would say they want to win the title every year. I also think we can agree that Bubba is not the coach to get us to that point. I would add though, that we have become a beast at home and a team others have to respect. Is Bubba perfect ... no, but he deserves a thankyou for helping the team dig out of the hole they were in.  Remember UND didn't win their first Division 2 title until 2001.

[geaux_sioux]

Good lord, we won the damn game and dominated a good chunk. Things to obviously work on but for fucks ‘s sake you guys are on one more than usual. Give it a rest, you’ve said it all before. It’s a road win and we have some key pieces missing.

[gfhockey]

I thought team played better then vs isu

 

and we got a win on the road

 

confidence

[UND-FB-FAN]

10 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Good lord, we won the damn game and dominated a good chunk. Things to obviously work on but for fucks ‘s sake you guys are on one more than usual. Give it a rest, you’ve said it all before. It’s a road win and we have some key pieces missing.

Well, I don’t think anyone honesty thought we’d go the entire season without winning a road game. If that truly is where our mindset it at, that says more than anything. 

[homer]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Ok dude. You do you. Not my bar and never said that. You’re off on a tangent now. I don’t care about Mussman football currently, those teams were awful and that’s well in the past.
 

UND football CURRENTLY with Schweigert is not good enough if you’d like to see UND football win a championship. Fargo, ND and Brookings, SD can do it, but how about Grand Forks?

You for some reason picked that season to prove 8 wins was attainable before Bubba got here.  It’s your bar.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 minutes ago, homer said:

You for some reason picked that season to prove 8 wins was attainable before Bubba got here.  It’s your bar.  

You’re purposely not reading at this point. That’s on you. Read @108498’s post, which I responded to. Even if 8 wins is the bar, will UND get there this year? They haven’t hit 8 wins since 2016…

Decade by decade

[homer]

17 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You’re purposely not reading at this point. That’s on you. Read @108498’s post, which I responded to. Even if 8 wins is the bar, will UND get there this year? They haven’t hit 8 wins since 2016…

Decade by decade

I read it when you posted it.  His post was about not breaking 5 wins…..so your rebuttal is a year we beat a non scholly and 3 D2 teams or lower.  
 

You are the one not comprehending.  Yesterday you say this years team doesn’t have a quality win this year, now those 4 wins are your bar for a 8 win team and no progress has been made under this staff. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 minutes ago, homer said:

I read it when you posted it.  His post was about not breaking 5 wins…..so your rebuttal is a year we beat a non scholly and 3 D2 teams or lower.  
 

You are the one not comprehending.  Yesterday you say this years team doesn’t have a quality win this year, now those 4 wins are your bar for a 8 win team and no progress has been made under this staff. 

He mentioned in his post the team could not win more than 5 games for a “few years” before Bubba.

Team has a quality win versus NDSU. That counts. Need to beat USD next weekend or else it will be same situation as last season and 2019 (7-4) and we know how those postseason chances ended quite abruptly. 

[90siouxfan]

Larry, Curly, & Moe sure have everyone wound up this morning.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

34 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

Larry, Curly, & Moe sure have everyone wound up this morning.  

You got it!

On to USD. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

12 hours ago, shep said:

So in your opinion, those who vote for MVFC and the Payton stuff are really that much dumber than you and others?

yes.

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 hours ago, homer said:

4 wins vs non scholly or D2 and lower.   Yet that’s your bar.   Nice

when muss when coach there were about 10 good fcs programs ...............bubba only has to compete against about 5 good fcs schools.

muss didn't have the pollard either.

[UND Football Fan]

Muss also would not try to offer anyone NDSU (thinking we cannot compete) would show interest. (Heard that from some area high school coaches at the time). Thus really throwing stuff out and hoping for a home run. (We had some, but also many more misses or no cohesive roster assembly) He was a good O coordinator but unfortunately did not have the best qualities as head coach. 

[Sioux94]

3 hours ago, 108498 said:

I think we all know that UND is not at the level we want them to be at. I think any fan would say they want to win the title every year. I also think we can agree that Bubba is not the coach to get us to that point. I would add though, that we have become a beast at home and a team others have to respect. Is Bubba perfect ... no, but he deserves a thankyou for helping the team dig out of the hole they were in.  Remember UND didn't win their first Division 2 title until 2001.

Bubba did turn us around pretty quickly, and I felt so good after the NDSU win for him, for me, for the whole program and school. Definitely a thanks to Bubba for that, we are in a much much better spot now and we start each season ranked, which is important. As you said most of us agree we have likely plateaued under him. I think more of us our in agreement than it often seems like on this board. I for one am hoping he decides to step down in off season and let Danny take over and we can start our new regime. Bubba beat NDSU, he can step aside and still be proud of what he has done for UND football. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, UND Football Fan said:

Muss also would not try to offer anyone NDSU (thinking we cannot compete) would show interest. (Heard that from some area high school coaches at the time). Thus really throwing stuff out and hoping for a home run. (We had some, but also many more misses or no cohesive roster assembly) He was a good O coordinator but unfortunately did not have the best qualities as head coach. 

He was an awful head coach for the qualities you mentioned. UND athletic department didn’t do him any favors, but Mussman didn’t do anything to change that, either. Happy UND moved on in 2013.

Bubba has helped rally more support for football, but now he’s entered the era where the only thing left to do to increase that support is win big games.

Change is inevitable - we’ve now reached another point in time (after this season) where change is again necessary.