UND @ Murray State

[shep]

1 minute ago, Teeder11 said:

And the game winner in OT the game before. Lightning strikes twice. 

And not just at Christmas

[Sioux94]

When are we going to stop expecting huge TE production? Our TE's probably have similar stats to most FCS teams, although I haven't checked and could be wrong. I think because SDSU has some top end TE's with huge production and are in the NFL we all think huge TE production will solve all of our problems. It's just not a huge part of our offense. But I'm sure it will give people something to complain about for several years to come. 

[gfhockey]

Te got a touchdown yesterday

[Teeder11]

23 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

When are we going to stop expecting huge TE production? Our TE's probably have similar stats to most FCS teams, although I haven't checked and could be wrong. I think because SDSU has some top end TE's with huge production and are in the NFL we all think huge TE production will solve all of our problems. It's just not a huge part of our offense. But I'm sure it will give people something to complain about for several years to come. 

Exactly. We have great blocking tight ends. That is a tight end job, too.  Not just pass catching. 

[MoSiouxFan]

4 hours ago, shep said:

Pettigo played alot if not the whole game.

Thanks.  That's good news.

[UND-FB-FAN]

Offense is fine. Tight end talk is moot. Tight end leak play in redzone was thing of beauty. Quincy been doing well at that spot. Give Danny and Shawn credit - offense and tight ends are doing well. 
 

defense is where the crap keeps happening. Those players and coaches need to step up 

[Dustin]

The MVFC is so misguided they selected our noodle arm quarterback offensive player of the week.

[siouxfan512]

Not much to say about this game. If the ISU-blue game felt like a loss, this wasn't much better. Looked like we were going to blow them out and then couldn't do a damn thing on D. I'll give them some credit, their QB played pretty darn well and I know we are missing some guys, but yikes. Also, the league needs to serious look at the officiating after all of those late PI calls, what a joke!

Offense certainly seemed fine, especially for missing some guys; they did what they were supposed to do. 

-Need defense to figure out how to play like they did against NDSU

-Would love to see Z back and our O line clicking. Control the clock and get the run game goin.

-I feel like we need a big game from Eliodor being back in the Dakota Dome.

Its been a rough few weeks, but from a record standpoint we are still on track. This is a big one! Win this and we are in a really solid position! Lose and it is more of the same. 

[gfhockey]

13 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

Not much to say about this game. If the ISU-blue game felt like a loss, this wasn't much better. Looked like we were going to blow them out and then couldn't do a damn thing on D. I'll give them some credit, their QB played pretty darn well and I know we are missing some guys, but yikes. Also, the league needs to serious look at the officiating after all of those late PI calls, what a joke!

Offense certainly seemed fine, especially for missing some guys; they did what they were supposed to do. 

-Need defense to figure out how to play like they did against NDSU

-Would love to see Z back and our O line clicking. Control the clock and get the run game goin.

-I feel like we need a big game from Eliodor being back in the Dakota Dome.

Its been a rough few weeks, but from a record standpoint we are still on track. This is a big one! Win this and we are in a really solid position! Lose and it is more of the same. 

I felt better after this game vs isu 

[wheelsup]

17 minutes ago, Dustin said:

The MVFC is so misguided they selected our noodle arm quarterback offensive player of the week.

Hopefully his last 6 quarters and OT have built his and the rest of the offense confidence for a very strong finish to the season.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, Dustin said:

The MVFC is so misguided they selected our noodle arm quarterback offensive player of the week.

Kudos to him, his teammates and coaches. Offense has been solid these past 2 weeks. 
 

defense … not so much. 

[jdub27]

On 11/5/2023 at 7:37 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

They hit a ceiling, years ago. Your comments make me think you’re either biased and/or misinformed, because your comments are generalized and almost non-factual.

It’s been 10 years. How far has the team truly come? Anyone actually watching this program has seen 5-7 in 2014 turn into perennial 7-4 and no playoff wins. They have not made substantial progress despite what some try to portray. 

Here are some unbiased rankings (Massey) to show how things have progressed the last 15 years:

2008       28
2009       40
2010       48
2011       36
2012       35
2013       68
2014       64
2015       32
2016       21
2017       43
2018       27
2019       21
2020       6*
2021       14
2022       14
2023       12

[siouxfan512]

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

I felt better after this game vs isu 

Agreed and Murray does have potential with some players, but it was still pretty disappointing to watch them cut through our D like they did. I never though they were going to steal this game like ISU could have, but we definitely have to clean things up.

[UND1983]

From 360 game review 

The 4th and 24 pass interference penalty was a killer for the UND defense. It was 31-10 and a stop there forces a field goal or punt. Instead, the Racers scored on the next play. Not sure what the safeties were doing and why. They were at 10 yards and not backing up, almost coming forward to catch the receiver. It’s 4th and 24. I am sure they were playing the call from the staff but what reasoning has us playing that close on 4th and 24 to where the guy can put one move on you and blow by? Plus, the linebackers weren’t trailing the slot WR/TE either. UND only rushed three (one spy) but didn’t seem to have any brackets going on at all. So essentially we were playing a loose man coverage with no underneath help pushing the receiver up-field. Odd to say the least. Even if we give them 23 yards we get the ball back.

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Here are some unbiased rankings (Massey) to show how things have progressed the last 15 years:

2008       28
2009       40
2010       48
2011       36
2012       35
2013       68
2014       64
2015       32
2016       21
2017       43
2018       27
2019       21
2020       6*
2021       14
2022       14
2023       12

Looks nice. Too bad the results on the field don’t show it. Would be nice to actually win playoff games or big games on road. But, if the goal is to only ascend Massey rankings, then this is a solid demonstration. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

From 360 game review 

The 4th and 24 pass interference penalty was a killer for the UND defense. It was 31-10 and a stop there forces a field goal or punt. Instead, the Racers scored on the next play. Not sure what the safeties were doing and why. They were at 10 yards and not backing up, almost coming forward to catch the receiver. It’s 4th and 24. I am sure they were playing the call from the staff but what reasoning has us playing that close on 4th and 24 to where the guy can put one move on you and blow by? Plus, the linebackers weren’t trailing the slot WR/TE either. UND only rushed three (one spy) but didn’t seem to have any brackets going on at all. So essentially we were playing a loose man coverage with no underneath help pushing the receiver up-field. Odd to say the least. Even if we give them 23 yards we get the ball back.

I completely agree that that snafu was a momentum killer and inexcusable overall from a coaching/schematics standpoint. Not impressed with defense, which includes players and coaches. 

[jdub27]

3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Looks nice. Too bad the results on the field don’t show it. Would be nice to actually win playoff games or big games on road. But, if the goal is to only ascend Massey rankings, then this is a solid demonstration. 

You said they haven't made substantial progress. I presented evidence that shows the contrary. The program has and continues to progress in the right direction. Moving into the top 10/5 and into the quarters/semis/finals is the next step. 

I know its just a dumb computer algorithm and not an expert football mind, so dismiss it however you want. But just wanted to present some actual unbiased data to the conversation.

[UND1983]

Definitely made progress per the chart Jdub.  I think we just want to see single digits now   (like a 1)  

[GoodGood]

7 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

I believe an asterisk covid season playoff win is it. 

Some people measure success based on computer charts, some measure it based on the results on the field. To each their own I guess 

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Here are some unbiased rankings (Massey) to show how things have progressed the last 15 years:

2008       28
2009       40
2010       48
2011       36
2012       35
2013       68
2014       64
2015       32
2016       21
2017       43
2018       27
2019       21
2020       6*
2021       14
2022       14
2023       12

Not a bad trend. Need to stay top 10 now. 

[jdub27]

56 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

I believe an asterisk covid season playoff win is it. 

Some people measure success based on computer charts, some measure it based on the results on the field. To each their own I guess 

The discussion was program progression. Overall, the program is in a better spot and has continued to trend in the correct direction.
There are different levels of success.
No one has said we're at a spot where anyone is completely happy, 100% satisfied or thinks there isn't more work to do or we've constantly been at a level of success where we would all like to see.
But it wouldn't be the same beating of the dead horse if someone didn't pretend that was the case.

[GoodGood]

19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

The discussion was program progression. Overall, the program is in a better spot and has continued to trend in the correct direction.
There are different levels of success.
No one has said we're at a spot where anyone is completely happy, 100% satisfied or thinks there isn't more work to do or we've constantly been at a level of success where we would all like to see.
But it wouldn't be the same beating of the dead horse if someone didn't pretend that was the case.

Doesn’t Massey still have ndsu at 3 or 4? I’d guess you don’t agree with that? Your computer stats argument was nice though! 

[jdub27]

41 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Doesn’t Massey still have ndsu at 3 or 4? I’d guess you don’t agree with that? Your computer stats argument was nice though! 

Yes it does. It's an algorithm, calculates data points to comes up with a range of outcomes and then shows the most likely scenarios. It doesn't predict the future and tell you which data point within the set is going to hit every game. I'm sure I don't need to explain how statistics and probabilities work to a smart guy like you though.

Going into the week, it predicted that NDSU was going to lose to SDSU by around 11 points. Wasn't too far off. And as much as I hate to admit it, with the current data points, I think NDSU is closer to #4 in the nation than they are #12 or #15 or wherever they are. There's two weeks left that could definitely change as more data points are calculated into the equation. Regardless, I hope they miss the playoffs because the selection committee leaves them out at 7-4. However them going 6-5 and plummeting in every poll, human and computer, would be acceptable as well.

Massey also says that the top 9 teams are in the Big Sky or MVFC and Furman is #11 and not #2. I have a hard time disagreeing with that and if we play Thanksgiving weekend, would love to be fed in Furman instead of a seed from the Big Sky or MVFC.

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

Progress shown by objective rankings; then comes this response.

No wonder our PKs struggle ... the goal posts keep moving ...     

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said:

How many playoff games have we won?

Not as many as Stevens has missed extra points.