2024 UND Football

[iluvdebbies]

Just now, homer said:

There are coaches making more that have accomplished less.  

....and our coach would be making more if he had accomplished more.

[homer]

2 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

....and our coach would be making more if he had accomplished more.

Or if he wanted to accept more and didn’t redirect it to his coaching staff.  

[iluvdebbies]

1 minute ago, homer said:

Or if he wanted to accept more and didn’t redirect it to his coaching staff.  

If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of.

[SooToo]

15 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of.

You're planning a big donation?

[homer]

21 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said:

If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of.

Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships.  
 

Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities.  I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable.  

[gfhockey]

29 minutes ago, homer said:

Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships.  
 

Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities.  I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable.  

Yeah and they get Sanford and Nodak mutual money all we got was 10 million from Altru which I am thankful for but I’m pretty sure Sanford pumps in a lot more too in the SU and SDSU plus NSU has Nodak insurance in their back pocket. What’s Nodak done for us, other than put their name on the ring which I see has been replaced with farmers Union 

[UND-FB-FAN]

45 minutes ago, homer said:

Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships.  
 

Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities.  I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable.  

You’re joking, right? 

[Hawkster]

47 minutes ago, homer said:

Facilities are equally…….possibly more important in getting/retaining the athletes that can compete for conference championships.  
 

Tom should do a fancy table comparing facilities.  I bet the same two schools would be at the top but UND is positioned to be much more favorable.  

Whom are you comparing facilities with?

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

It's true, have heard this, and the numbers show it.  As hard as some have been on Bubba, would all of you do the same??  Our coordinators are better paid than Bubba.

The average of the top 3 HC's made $368,046.  Bubba made 69.3% of this amount. 

The average of the top 3 OC's made $120,381.  Danny made 86.4% of this amount.   (If Bubba was at 86.4% like Danny, that would be another $63,000)

The average of the top 3 DC's made $117,402.  Joel made 75.3% of this amount. (not unreasonable for a 1st year DC)

Is it a good long-term strategy to expect the HC to take less money AND pass all increases onto assistants??  Nope!!

This is MVFC.

Sure, Bubba has gave up some of his salary, but the assistant coaches pool is too low even with those “donations”. Needs to be raised, but you don’t give that elevation to the current guys; you make that elevation availabe upon an open competitive job search to attract the best. That is the simple solution, but yet, it’s not that simple. Need UND to want football to be better, first and foremost. That comes down to Chaves, Armacost, and more importantly, the major stakeholders. Put your money where your mouth is. You get what you pay for. Facilities are looking good, but you can’t recruit and retain high quality coaches without high end salaries. After all, we’re taking about Grand Forks, ND …

Lastly, Bubba has had a good run, but the salary rises need to align with a change in coaching staff, not under the current regime. 

[FSSD]

To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first:

1)  Facilities

- Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open

- Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 

- Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024

2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24).

3) Then coaching salaries

Next up coaching salaries.  People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities.  If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful.  So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison.

[Siouxperman8]

16 minutes ago, FSSD said:

To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first:

1)  Facilities

- Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open

- Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 

- Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024

2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24).

3) Then coaching salaries

Next up coaching salaries.  People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities.  If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful.  So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison.

Imagine what the 52% of ticket sales ($642k in 2023) that go to REA could do for the program.  There is already a line item where REA gets paid to manage and sell the tickets so I am not sure what the 52% is for.

2023 average attendance 10,288 x $20/ticket = $205,760/game in ticket revenue

$205,760 x 6 home games = $1,234,560 ticket revenue in 2023

52% to REA = $642k 

Not certain of the $20 ticket price but even at 75% of that it would be a big number.  Also not sure how much of that would go directly to the football program but some of it would. 

[Goon]

On 2/12/2024 at 10:12 AM, fightingsioux4life said:

They cannot do this AND keep it a secret. It's going to come out.

Not in this town. That would've come out already. 

[homer]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You’re joking, right? 

No I wasn’t joking. 

[FSSD]

36 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Imagine what the 52% of ticket sales ($642k in 2023) that go to REA could do for the program.  There is already a line item where REA gets paid to manage and sell the tickets so I am not sure what the 52% is for.

2023 average attendance 10,288 x $20/ticket = $205,760/game in ticket revenue

$205,760 x 6 home games = $1,234,560 ticket revenue in 2023

52% to REA = $642k 

Not certain of the $20 ticket price but even at 75% of that it would be a big number.  Also not sure how much of that would go directly to the football program but some of it would. 

The reality is that nobody on this message board can state exactly what the 52% is used for..  is that money exclusive to Hockey which many here assume.  I don't know, but I think that is a silly notion. 

[FSSD]

34 minutes ago, homer said:

No I wasn’t joking. 

I agree with you.  UND will have some of the best facilities in the MVFC later this year.

[UND08]

1 hour ago, FSSD said:

To be honest, I have no problem with UND's approach - student focused first:

1)  Facilities

- Fritz (Indoor Practice Facility) - Open

- Memorial I (Coaches Offices, Other areas) - Open Fall 2024 

- Fritz II (Locker rooms, new outdoor track and outdoor field turf) - Open Fall 2024

2) Cost of attendance, Alstom ($1 million annually) - (starting spring of 24).

3) Then coaching salaries

Next up coaching salaries.  People need to remember SDSU and USD still have mortgages to pay for their facilities.  If the North Dakota schools were able to use State Bonding for athletic facilities it would be helpful.  So, you don't have an apples to apple comparison.

Ok...so now that we are supposedly the shining star of the MVFC in facilities and Alston awards...when do the increased expectations that come with those investments start to show up?!?  Honest question...but we are slowly peeling away the excuses for why the program can't ascend to the next step.  The defenders of the status quo will have fewer and fewer places to seek shelter...meanwhile NDSU and SDSU will be able to utilize their NIL collectives to plug holes in their lineups, retain players and attract portal entrants.

I've been to SDSU...I've been to both Montana's...I've been to Fargo...I'm not so sure I would put us at the top of the arms race.  We will definitely have closed the gap however, which is good!  But if anything that makes 7-5 next year and in the years to come even less impressive in my book...

[SiouxFan100]

Does the REA get 52% of all ticket sales from all sports including basketball and football excluding hockey?

Does the REA also get 100% of hockey ticket sales?

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, UND08 said:

Ok...so now that we are supposedly the shining star of the MVFC in facilities and Alston awards...when do the increased expectations that come with those investments start to show up?!?  Honest question...but we are slowly peeling away the excuses for why the program can't ascend to the next step.  The defenders of the status quo will have fewer and fewer places to seek shelter...meanwhile NDSU and SDSU will be able to utilize their NIL collectives to plug holes in their lineups, retain players and attract portal entrants.

I've been to SDSU...I've been to both Montana's...I've been to Fargo...I'm not so sure I would put us at the top of the arms race.  We will definitely have closed the gap however, which is good!  But if anything that makes 7-5 next year and in the years to come even less impressive in my book...

As it currently stands both SDSU and NDSU have clear advantages with football facilities.  The facilities UND is in progress with are to simply close that gap.  It certainly will not give UND a clear advantage that both SDSU and NDSU have today.  So, am I saying that all the sudden UND is pouching recruits from xDSU - NO.  But I can see UND in more recruiting battles head to head with both schools.

Other areas that I have seen UND work on recently includes endowed scholarships for the football program.  UND recently created 10/15 endowed scholarships.  This is going to make money available for other needs.  And it is going to take these types of changes over the long term to get there, unless there is a Denny Sanford waiting to help UND.

Again, coaching salaries and NIL are two areas that UND will need to monitor and improve on.  I look forward to improvements in this area.  It is clear Bubba knows about the coaching salaries and he is doing everything he can to improve them. 

As far as your comments about SDSU, it will be interesting to see if they can continue to reload.  Much of there success was based on keeping a CORE group of players for 6 years.  That 6 year advantage will be going away.  And can they continue to keep the next round of players.  You have started to see NDSU have problems with that (a good problem to have IMO).  We will see.  Plus, I am not sure SDSU can generate the NIL money that NDSU does.  The next 4/5 years will be very interesting.

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, FSSD said:

The reality is that nobody on this message board can state exactly what the 52% is used for..  is that money exclusive to Hockey which many here assume.  I don't know, but I think that is a silly notion. 

The REA doesn't operate the hockey program.  What the 52% is used for is spelled out in the usage agreement.  My issue is with the REA retaining net income instead of distributing all of it to UND (less the money needed for day to day operations and money that goes to Repairs/Maintenance/Enhancement Fund). 

 

 

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

The REA doesn't operate the hockey program.  What the 52% is used for is spelled out in the usage agreement.  My issue is with the REA retaining net income instead of distributing all of it to UND (less the money needed for day to day operations and money that goes to Repairs/Maintenance/Enhancement Fund). 

 

 

Per the paragraph above it is referred to as a 'facility usage fee'.  How is the football program paying REA s facility usage fee.  It makes sense for the teams that use the Ralph and the Betty. 

[wheelsup]

It would be interesting to see the coaching salary table by conference for all of our major sports.. Hockey.. football.. Mens Basketball.. Womans Basketball.  

[CMSioux]

21 hours ago, iluvdebbies said:

If/when they start competing for conference championships and winning playoff games, all the coaches will be taken care of.

Where do you see those funds coming from? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

Where do you see those funds coming from? 

This is an intentional issue by UND. It would take ~ 50-100k more per year to significantly increase salary pool for UND football relative to the competition. When you consider the amount of funds allocated elsewhere, and what has been recently raised for construction projects, this is not a number that is impossible to find or raise. But, once again, the expectations for UND football are too low. UND administration is satisfied with middle of the road salaries. Now Chaves has been now quoted in the GF Herald saying salaries aren’t everything; sure, they’re not, but its been the elephant in the room for a while for UND football, especially this off-season with the coaching turnover. If you want to recruit top coaching candidates to Grand Forks, you need to compensate at the same level - if not more - than NDSU and SDSU. Right now, UND football is purposefully putting themselves at a disadvantage. The true tell will be when Bubba is no longer head coach and a new coach is being searched for; that will especially be the time to raise the salary pool for obvious (recruiting) purposes during the searching/hiring process. Simply paying the current coaches more now isn’t going to fix current problems/issues. 

[homer]

1 hour ago, wheelsup said:

It would be interesting to see the coaching salary table by conference for all of our major sports.. Hockey.. football.. Mens Basketball.. Womans Basketball.  

That would be interesting to look at.  
 

Also would be interesting to see when each of those coaches in Tom’s article were hired and where the salaries at time of hire ranked in conference.  
 

Certainly work to do but likely doesn’t change until new staff is brought in board.  Going rate is much higher but facilities actually in place and not on paper should help recruiting a new coach.  

[90siouxfan]

Wouldn't raising salaries at this point in time be an indication that Bubba is excelling?  Maybe the salaries are low because the result are less than ideal.  Classic chicken & egg.