2024 UND Football

[iramurphy]

44 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:

IMO ..this photo was taken in part because the players /coaches are fed up with the entire situation and the fact that they cannot verbally speak out against it without repercussions?  This was the outlet. 
 

 Could this be another photo cropped or just a “timely” photo?  Possibly but highly unlikely given some comments on here that seem to be fair and reasonable on the questioning of bubba and behind the scenes.  In my own experience with talking to alumni that have played for bubba ….if there were negative comments  …is was him not being a leader.  Is this what they were referring to?  Not sure but my guess is yes.  
 

*Given his track record this pic seems very plausible.   

Also.  When people tell you to message Chavez or any other brass about your frustrations with the program …..that literally goes nowhere. This message board is mine and others only voice on our concerns.  Writing or talking to someone in charge at und will not be heard.  Think of how many messages, letters or verbal interactions they get/hear a month ? They can’t react on every single concern.  They do what they think is best and have to live with that decision ….whether it was a horrible one or not. Then having a nobody like me speak up against it.  In one ear and out the other.   Money is the mover.  It’s frustrating at so many levels.  My love for UND football is swept aside with frustrating decisions to keep a coach thats shelf life expired 8 years ago.  Yet I keep going to games and keep saying the same thing every year.  That’s all I have. So I try and think how a player or coach could get their point across other than transferring out? I would guess they would be dealt with in the same manner.  This person that took this photo possibly thought this was his only way …without confronting someone and having repercussions?   Just my opinion. 

 

 

Points well taken. I believe the collective voice of fans like you will be heard. I’m  not sure if money will need to be raised to move things along,  but I wouldn’t be surprised. (I would guess $500,000-$1,000,000 would do it).

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Not claiming real or not, but is it plausible?

Plausibility is part of the problem. 

Agree. 

[The Sicatoka]

@nodak651 had the buyout language. Figure at least $500k. Found it: 

https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/37909-2024-und-football/page/152/#comment-1385890

 

[MinnDak]

Sorry to break it to you all but he zzzzzzzzzz in meetings all the time. I’ve been there. 

[UND08]

10 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Points well taken. I believe the collective voice of fans like you will be heard. I’m  not sure if money will need to be raised to move things along,  but I wouldn’t be surprised. (I would guess $500,000-$1,000,000 would do it).

And who's fault is it that we have to raise that much money?!?

I'm as frustrated as anyone with Bubba and where we are at as a football program...but everything that's occurred since last winter is AD malpractice in my book.

If Bubba goes...Chaves should go with him imo...and at this point sooner rather than later.

[Hawkster]

17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

@nodak651 had the buyout language. Figure at least $500k. Found it: 

https://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/37909-2024-und-football/page/152/#comment-1385890

 

I figure by the end of the season he's got 3 years left, so $825,000 x .75% means about $619,750 but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

[The Sicatoka]

4 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

I figure by the end of the season he's got 3 years left, so $825,000 x .75% means about $619,750 but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

If date is 1/1/25 it's

Following 24 mos: 265 + 275
25-36 mos after date (75% of owed): 213.75

or just over $750k. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, Longtime fan said:

Also.  When people tell you to message Chavez or any other brass about your frustrations with the program …..that literally goes nowhere. This message board is mine and others only voice on our concerns.  Writing or talking to someone in charge at und will not be heard.  Think of how many messages, letters or verbal interactions they get/hear a month ? They can’t react on every single concern.  They do what they think is best and have to live with that decision ….whether it was a horrible one or not. Then having a nobody like me speak up against it.  In one ear and out the other.

If the opinions and perspectives of alumni, fans and financial supporters of the athletic department "don't matter", that is the root of the whole problem. Chaves is probably the biggest problem because he is in charge of the whole department. President Armacost is the only one who can change anything.

andrew.armacost@UND.edu

And if you think everything is fine as is, I guess you can send a message too. 

[Kab]

What’s Chaves buyout

[iramurphy]

1 minute ago, Kab said:

What’s Chaves buyout

I believe we need to stay focused on one step at a time. There is only so much money donors are willing to give for buyouts. 

[Kab]

1 minute ago, iramurphy said:

I believe we need to stay focused on one step at a time. There is only so much money donors are willing to give for buyouts. 

Shouldn’t be from donors

should be university money 

[SIOUXFAN97]

22 minutes ago, Kab said:

What’s Chaves buyout

good question.

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

good question.

Very good question.

Because he is the biggest part of the problem.

[fightingsioux4life]

24 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I believe we need to stay focused on one step at a time. There is only so much money donors are willing to give for buyouts. 

Depends on how pi$$ed off they are.

[Hawkster]

22 minutes ago, Kab said:

Shouldn’t be from donors

should be university money 

But they are the first ones hit up for money.   I know someone who is fairly well off and donates.   He was called the day Mussman was canned and was asked about donating.   I don't know if he donated or not and I didn't ask.   It seemed like a sensitive subject and he didn't volunteer.

[iramurphy]

43 minutes ago, Kab said:

Shouldn’t be from donors

should be university money 

Reality is that when fans want to fire someone before the contract is up, they usually need to provide significant funds. The contract buyout is only a part of the overall cost with a coaching change. The hiring process can be expensive.  I will bet you that $500,000 to $1,000,000 isn’t in the budget to do this. 

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Reality is that when fans want to fire someone before the contract is up, they usually need to provide significant funds. The contract buyout is only a part of the overall cost with a coaching change. The hiring process can be expensive.  I will bet you that $500,000 to $1,000,000 isn’t in the budget to do this. 

Full buyout + hire process > $1M, easily. 

[gfhockey]

10 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Full buyout + hire process > $1M, easily. 

And that isn’t in our budget

[gfhockey]

He could take the high road

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

He could take the high road

And walk away from $750k buyout? 

You might be able to, but we mere mortals ...   

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

He could take the high road

We will soon find out what the is more important - his dream program or the paycheck.  

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

And walk away from $750k buyout? 

You might be able to, but we mere mortals ...   

That's a lot of jingle

[UND08]

2 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Reality is that when fans want to fire someone before the contract is up, they usually need to provide significant funds. The contract buyout is only a part of the overall cost with a coaching change. The hiring process can be expensive.  I will bet you that $500,000 to $1,000,000 isn’t in the budget to do this. 

The "fans" wanted this to happen when the buyout effectively would have been $0.  Chaves made sure that wasn't the case.

If I've learned one thing about running an athletic dept. from all of this it's that if you aren't willing to EXTEND, then you have to be willing to END!

The timeline of events surrounding UND football in the first 3 months of 2024 may damn the program for the rest of time...given what's going on in the landscape around us.  We needed to be all hands-on deck...instead we've been "asleep at the wheel" (apparently literally).  That's as much of a Chaves problem as it is a Schweigert problem in my book...

[Siouxperfan7]

#21 in this weeks poll.  Can't believe we are still ranked.

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[LH Golfer]

23 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

#21 in this weeks poll.  Can't believe we are still ranked.

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Give it a week