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[NeutralObserver]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:57 AM, fightingsioux4life said:

Didn't their president get fired for giving out unearned diplomas?

Yes, but that was about three presidents ago and it was only him. Anything that happened then has been stopped for years.

The issue that got him fired wasn't from giving diplomas, it was from counting credits that shouldn't have been counted which inflated the attendance numbers.

Any issues with foreign students was uncovered after that president left, and was cleared up by 2015(?) when their accreditation was renewed for 10 years.

[The Sicatoka]

G5 playoff?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/group-of-five-playoff-being-pitched-by-derek-dooley-financially-backed-by-private-equity-firms/ 

[The Sicatoka]

 

[Yote 53]

Less opportunities for actual student-athletes that want to EARN their athletic scholarship.  Way to go NCAA.

This will also put a dent in that historic Nebraska Cornhusker walk-on program.

Now consider the ripple effect of this.  No more P5 walk-ons means they will be taking G5 spots, who will be taking FCS spots, who will be taking D2 spots, who will be taking D3/NAIA spots.  Cut the number of spots by 30 at 134 FBS schools means there will be over 4,000 less opportunities to play football each year.

[nodakvindy]

8 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Less opportunities for actual student-athletes that want to EARN their athletic scholarship.  Way to go NCAA.

This will also put a dent in that historic Nebraska Cornhusker walk-on program.

Now consider the ripple effect of this.  No more P5 walk-ons means they will be taking G5 spots, who will be taking FCS spots, who will be taking D2 spots, who will be taking D3/NAIA spots.  Cut the number of spots by 30 at 134 FBS schools means there will be over 4,000 less opportunities to play football each year.

No, there will just be fewer guys on scholarship who don't play or barely play. This actually makes some sense. No reason for college teams to have rosters twice the size of NFL teams

[nodak651]

18 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Less opportunities for actual student-athletes that want to EARN their athletic scholarship.  Way to go NCAA.

This will also put a dent in that historic Nebraska Cornhusker walk-on program.

Now consider the ripple effect of this.  No more P5 walk-ons means they will be taking G5 spots, who will be taking FCS spots, who will be taking D2 spots, who will be taking D3/NAIA spots.  Cut the number of spots by 30 at 134 FBS schools means there will be over 4,000 less opportunities to play football each year.

On they flip side, could this make hockey more feasible in regard to title ix? 

[Yote 53]

If the roster at Nebraska gets cut from 115 to 85 you think those 30 players are just going to quit the game?  No, they'll funnel down to G5 then FCS then D2, etc.  

Less roster spots means less opportunities to be on a college football team.  Simple as that.

[Sioux>Bison]

Per Dom Izzo, the NDSU vs SDSU and the USD vs SDSU football games will be picked up by ESPN this fall. Kick times TBD. Sucks for Midco and the Fargo media! The poor Bison fans won’t be able to get it now because they don’t have cable like civilized people 

[JohnboyND7]

On 5/15/2024 at 9:38 AM, Yote 53 said:

If the roster at Nebraska gets cut from 115 to 85 you think those 30 players are just going to quit the game?  No, they'll funnel down to G5 then FCS then D2, etc.  

Less roster spots means less opportunities to be on a college football team.  Simple as that.

I think a decent number of them would just quit. My cousin walked on at NDSU. I believe he had decided on NDSU for school long before he decided to walk on. Now NDSU is not Nebraska, but I think they probably have some of those kind of guys too. My dad's cousin walked on at Notre Dame, dude was going to Notre Dame no matter what, happened to be pretty good in high school and decided to be a practice dummy for a historic program. Maybe those two examples are not normal.

But yes, fewer roster spots will cause plenty/many(most?) to filter down to other schools. 

[FSSD]

According to a report from Yahoo! Sports, power conference commissioners finalized the roster-size limits under which athletic departments will be able to allocate millions of dollars in new scholarships. Football will have a roster limit of 105, up from the 85-man NCAA scholarship limit that currently exists.

Baseball will also see a massive increase in scholarship / roster size, going from 11.7 scholarship slots to 34. Basketball will increase from 13 to 15. Softball will increase from 12 to 25, while volleyball will increase from 12 to 18.

https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-approves-new-roster-size-limits-paving-way-for-additional-scholarships/

Extra 20 scholarships per program for P4..    So, we have 105 for P4, 85 for G5 and 63 for FCS.  That is a big jump.

all 105 (+20) Basketball 15 (+2) Baseball 34 (+22.3) Softball 25 (+13) Volleyball 18 (+6)

[Nodak78]

59 minutes ago, FSSD said:

According to a report from Yahoo! Sports, power conference commissioners finalized the roster-size limits under which athletic departments will be able to allocate millions of dollars in new scholarships. Football will have a roster limit of 105, up from the 85-man NCAA scholarship limit that currently exists.

Baseball will also see a massive increase in scholarship / roster size, going from 11.7 scholarship slots to 34. Basketball will increase from 13 to 15. Softball will increase from 12 to 25, while volleyball will increase from 12 to 18.

https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-approves-new-roster-size-limits-paving-way-for-additional-scholarships/

Extra 20 scholarships per program for P4..    So, we have 105 for P4, 85 for G5 and 63 for FCS.  That is a big jump.

all 105 (+20) Basketball 15 (+2) Baseball 34 (+22.3) Softball 25 (+13) Volleyball 18 (+6)

So FCS got the muddle finger.

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, FSSD said:

According to a report from Yahoo! Sports, power conference commissioners finalized the roster-size limits under which athletic departments will be able to allocate millions of dollars in new scholarships. Football will have a roster limit of 105, up from the 85-man NCAA scholarship limit that currently exists.

Baseball will also see a massive increase in scholarship / roster size, going from 11.7 scholarship slots to 34. Basketball will increase from 13 to 15. Softball will increase from 12 to 25, while volleyball will increase from 12 to 18.

https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-approves-new-roster-size-limits-paving-way-for-additional-scholarships/

Extra 20 scholarships per program for P4..    So, we have 105 for P4, 85 for G5 and 63 for FCS.  That is a big jump.

all 105 (+20) Basketball 15 (+2) Baseball 34 (+22.3) Softball 25 (+13) Volleyball 18 (+6)

Curious if the roster cap affects fcs schools.

[FSSD]

10 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Curious if the roster cap affects fcs schools.

Based on the text "power conference commissioners finalized".  I assumed P4 only.  With the settlement payouts I think most FCS schools are fine to sit tight.  And if they did what's the difference between G5 and FCS.  Plus, only 10 to 20 schools could actually afford to do it.  The G5/top of FCS merger is getting closer ever year.

In addition, I didn't see anything on hockey, that would be an interesting change.

[Yote 53]

This is confusing.  Set football aside for a second, the rest of the D1 sports all compete against each other in D1 under the same set of rules.  So now the P4 schools get to play by a different set of rules?  How does this effect scholarship limits in sports like hockey?  Because the Big Ten schools are P4 they now get to set higher scholarship limits in hockey while UND and other programs not attached to P4 schools play with a different limit?

So confused right now about the other sports.  I understand the football side, and imagine the G5 and FCS limits will change here soon as well.

[FSSD]

48 minutes ago, Yote 53 said:

This is confusing.  Set football aside for a second, the rest of the D1 sports all compete against each other in D1 under the same set of rules.  So now the P4 schools get to play by a different set of rules?  How does this effect scholarship limits in sports like hockey?  Because the Big Ten schools are P4 they now get to set higher scholarship limits in hockey while UND and other programs not attached to P4 schools play with a different limit?

So confused right now about the other sports.  I understand the football side, and imagine the G5 and FCS limits will change here soon as well.

Agreed - If this is all true.  The P4 has effectively broken away from all other schools while being under the control of the NCAA.

[farce poobah]

On 6/30/2023 at 7:40 AM, The Sicatoka said:

Does the word "sadistic" apply?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12248475/Harvard-womens-hockey-team-pledges-overhaul-culture-abuse-hazing-allegations.html 

https://thehockeynews.com/womens/college/here-are-the-details-on-katey-stones-lawsuit-against-harvard-university

Unsurprisingly, Katey Stone fires back at Harvard.   With the strong emotions here, a settlement is hard to imagine.  Pop some popcorn.

Side note - she alleges pay discrimination, which is a trap UND avoided when they ended women's D1 hockey.  (Hard to argue its not the same job as Brad Berry does ...)

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, farce poobah said:

https://thehockeynews.com/womens/college/here-are-the-details-on-katey-stones-lawsuit-against-harvard-university

Unsurprisingly, Katey Stone fires back at Harvard.   With the strong emotions here, a settlement is hard to imagine.  Pop some popcorn.

Side note - she alleges pay discrimination, which is a trap UND avoided when they ended women's D1 hockey.  (Hard to argue its not the same job as Brad Berry does ...)

Is that not justifiable based on revenue they bring in?

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, FSSD said:

Based on the text "power conference commissioners finalized".  I assumed P4 only.  With the settlement payouts I think most FCS schools are fine to sit tight.  And if they did what's the difference between G5 and FCS.  Plus, only 10 to 20 schools could actually afford to do it.  The G5/top of FCS merger is getting closer ever year.

In addition, I didn't see anything on hockey, that would be an interesting change.

I was referring to a cap of roster size, rather than the scholarship cap.  For example, assume FCS stays at 63 scholarships, would the 105 roster cap apply to FCS rosters?   I think part of NDSU's success is that they have a large roster with tons of walkons, and many eventually develop and become contributors.  For example, for the 22-23 season, NDSU reported 129 FB participants, whereas UND reported only 108.  So I guess my point is that if the roster cap of 105 also applies to FCS schools, this could negatively impact NDSU more than other FCS schools.

Edit: SDSU was 116, USD was 118, Montana was 114, Missouri State 98, Illinois State 116, EKU 122, Michigan 141, Minnesota 111, BGSU 106, Idaho State 108, Idaho 109

[farce poobah]

3 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Is that not justifiable based on revenue they bring in?

I am not a lawyer, but I think some level of difference is prevailing practice.  Still doesn't prevent lawsuits ... 

[nodakvindy]

On 7/24/2024 at 8:43 PM, FSSD said:

According to a report from Yahoo! Sports, power conference commissioners finalized the roster-size limits under which athletic departments will be able to allocate millions of dollars in new scholarships. Football will have a roster limit of 105, up from the 85-man NCAA scholarship limit that currently exists.

Baseball will also see a massive increase in scholarship / roster size, going from 11.7 scholarship slots to 34. Basketball will increase from 13 to 15. Softball will increase from 12 to 25, while volleyball will increase from 12 to 18.

https://www.on3.com/news/ncaa-approves-new-roster-size-limits-paving-way-for-additional-scholarships/

Extra 20 scholarships per program for P4..    So, we have 105 for P4, 85 for G5 and 63 for FCS.  That is a big jump.

all 105 (+20) Basketball 15 (+2) Baseball 34 (+22.3) Softball 25 (+13) Volleyball 18 (+6)

Wonder how they can work that from a Title IX perspective, add 40+ for men and 19 for women, unless there are additions in other sports.  More likely this will result in more schools dropping Olympic sports to support their fall XFL teams.

[The Sicatoka]

A poster on the NDSU board says if they max out all existing sports under these new limits it's 170 new scholarships. They do about 200 today. Double the cost.

I'd expect similar for UND, maybe not quite as big as baseball and wrestling are major increases. 

[The Sicatoka]

New proposed limits here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/new-college-sports-roster-limits-revealed-as-house-settlement-expands-scholarship-numbers-210542040.html#:~:text=More than 750 additional scholarship,them with roster size limits. 

[The Sicatoka]

Increases (NOT including football) to existing sport limits:

UND: 143.4 (67.4M / 76W)
NDSU: 170.3 (96.3M / 74W) * **

*like I said, baseball and wrestling
**Title IX anyone? And that's not counting changes to FB

[nodakvindy]

I doubt you see many non power 4 teams that aren't required to adding the schollies.  That means that also have to commit to the revenue sharing with the players, except for the non power 4 there is no revenue to share.  So this was a thinly veiled way to again tilt the playing field further toward the haves and put the have nots under their bootheels.  At this rate the NCAA will be gone in less than a decade and college sports outside the power 4 will be an abyss.  At this point sports are probably a money pit for the vast majority of schools, with little to show for it.  Pretty sad.

[Sioux>Bison]

Drop the NCAA and maybe we can have our Sioux logo back!