Irish Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, jdub27 said: This made me chuckle a little bit. Won't argue that a passionate fan base is (mostly) a positive for a program but if you think that that program will go stale if people don't complain on a message board and social media, well, I just disagree. I can assure you the people in, behind and running the program live and die more with the wins and losses than pretty much everyone else. Do they also understand that recruiting has gone off the rails - and are they taking steps to fix this? This type of roster management is not seen in any other top program - and if it continues we will not be among the top programs. Schloss is good at getting early scoops on signees - I wish he would ask a few hard questions about our recruiting. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but I can't understand why we can't sell our program to top talent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfaninseattle Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 This is not a good pick up, not a bad pick up, it's a desperation pick up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Johannes was the second highest available scorer at his announcement. And he's big and his PIMs say mean. Again, he's a one-year backfill rental. Judd's rights being traded (PIT -> ANA) and then signed after he said he's returning probably caught them off guard. This is amazingly good under that scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, siouxfaninseattle said: This is not a good pick up, not a bad pick up, it's a desperation pick up. UND is like the hot girl everyone's talked about for 15 years, played hard to get despite having her pick of town, only for everyone to find out she's super crazy and so they all moved on to bigger and better things. Now she put in 50 pounds, uses her Instagram filter for all her Facebook posts trying to relive the glory days of being hot, and married the town's leftover bachelor...but hey, it was the best she could get so it was a great match! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Irish said: Do they also understand that recruiting has gone off the rails - and are they taking steps to fix this? This type of roster management is not seen in any other top program - and if it continues we will not be among the top programs. Schloss is good at getting early scoops on signees - I wish he would ask a few hard questions about our recruiting. I don't know what is going on behind the scenes but I can't understand why we can't sell our program to top talent. Bubs is an awesome guy. The portal is new…I think everyone got a bit greedy last year when they hit the portal so hard. I’ve criticized the roster (mis) mgmt plenty but in no way do I want a new coach. I honestly believe the coaching staff thought they would make a run last year. Tons of players had off years, underclassmen got buried (which I still question), and the dzone/goaltending was just plain odd. But Bubs shouldn’t go anywhere…he needs to get back to our roots and start recruiting hard and developing hockey players. The free agency approach does not work. Build from within. I think he starts that now moving forward. Last years approach clearly backfired and it will most likely cost us next year too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, Big A HG said: UND is like the hot girl everyone's talked about for 15 years, played hard to get despite having her pick of town, only for everyone to find out she's super crazy and so they all moved on to bigger and better things. Now she put in 50 pounds, uses her Instagram filter for all her Facebook posts trying to relive the glory days of being hot, and married the town's leftover bachelor...but hey, it was the best she could get so it was a great match! Again, how many teams will be better over the next 20 years? Based on the doom and gloom I assume UND will be lucky to be in the top half? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said: Again, how many teams will be better over the next 20 years? Based on the doom and gloom I assume UND will be lucky to be in the top half? Top half? That would be optimistic from reading some of the posts on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Big A HG said: When we're excited about this acquisition as fans of the University of North Dakota hockey program, that tells you all you need to know about the state of our program right now. I agree with you and share your concerns about the program. But you can find good players in the portal. Some of whom may have slipped through the cracks when they were being recruited the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Walsh Hall said: Again, how many teams will be better over the next 20 years? Based on the doom and gloom I assume UND will be lucky to be in the top half? 20 years is such an arbitrary number and is completely pointless. I can't even process your question because there is nothing remotely thought-provoking about it. UND could have three new coaches and a new conference by then for all we know. Elite college programs are about "what have you done for me lately" and "what does our near-term future look like". That's it. Kids coming in now are only there for four years max (five with a redshirt), so you're asking about the state of a program over the course five complete roster turnovers. Brad's playoff success is no longer recent and based on how he's handled roster turnover, he hasn't managed his team well. Throw in other things like lack of identity in our playing style lately, poor recruiting by UND standards, kids leaving, culture problems in the locker room this year, and the whole Nodak trademark fiasco that conveniently was swept under the rug, and there's a lot of issues with the program. Fans are turning out less and less since conference titles are not exciting when everyone else starts ramping their playing level up in late winter and spring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1966guy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Johannes was the second highest available scorer at his announcement. And he's big and his PIMs say mean. Again, he's a one-year backfill rental. Judd's rights being traded (PIT -> ANA) and then signed after he said he's returning probably caught them off guard. This is amazingly good under that scenario. Don't let your sensible facts get in the way of the negative narrative taking place in this forum. Don't let the sky that's falling hit you in the head either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: I agree with you and share your concerns about the program. But you can find good players in the portal. Some of whom may have slipped through the cracks when they were being recruited the first time. I know 56 pages is a lot to go through, so not going to fault you for not seeing me reference that before, but I am on the side of picking up the kids in the portal. What I'm not on the side of is using it as an act of desperation to fill out a roster when we're NORTH DAKOTA. We should have our own pipeline of talented recruits and use the portal to fill an unexpected gap or to pick up a kid who was a diamond in the rough who wants to play for a winner. A kid who did nothing in the USHL, very little after in the NAHL after getting demoted there, nothing at AIC, and then has one decent season at Lindenwood, is not the type of player we should be acquiring. In this case, we have to do it out of necessity, but that necessity is why this whole thing is a problem. We shouldn't be in a position to have to make this Lindenwood kid a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Where are the d-men needed to fill out the roster? Patience, patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Does anyone else find it frustrating that there are only TWO freshman forwards they feel are ready to come in? Why is that an issue? Because it looks like they are going to add 3 from the portal. Also sounds like they will end up going 4 Freshman / 4 Portal on defense. 1 Freshman / 1 Portal in Goal. I really like the pipeline they have, but clearly they don't have enough. The University spends more money on their program than any other school in the country. They should not have to rely on the portal like this. Here's to hoping this off-season is just one giant reset from last year's disaster. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, Kevin G said: Where are the d-men needed to fill out the roster? Patience, patience. Waiting for the top scoring defenseman from UW-Stout to hit the portal....if he's top scoring at a s*** school, the sensible facts are that he's still amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1981 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Johannes was the second highest available scorer at his announcement. And he's big and his PIMs say mean. Again, he's a one-year backfill rental. Judd's rights being traded (PIT -> ANA) and then signed after he said he's returning probably caught them off guard. This is amazingly good under that scenario. I thought this kid was much stronger on his skates than Juddy. He's a great pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Big A HG said: We should have our own pipeline of talented recruits and use the portal to fill an unexpected gap or to pick up a kid who was a diamond in the rough who wants to play for a winner. I think the vast majority of us agree with this assessment. I imagine Coach Berry agrees too. The question is, Why are we in the place of needing the portal so badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big A HG said: A kid who did nothing in the USHL, very little after in the NAHL after getting demoted there, nothing at AIC, and then has one decent season at Lindenwood, is not the type of player we should be acquiring. Sure am glad you didn't get a vote on recruiting Tucker Poolman <- the late-bloomer's late bloomer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kevin G said: Where are the d-men needed to fill out the roster? Patience, patience. That should be the conversation, not Johannes the rental to replace Judd. So do it along with me ... because I have to the longer we don't hear about D ... In through the nose, out through the mouth, breathe in, exhale, serenity now, serenity now, ... in, exhale out, ... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, AJS said: Does anyone else find it frustrating that there are only TWO freshman forwards they feel are ready to come in? Why is that an issue? Because it looks like they are going to add 3 from the portal. Also sounds like they will end up going 4 Freshman / 4 Portal on defense. 1 Freshman / 1 Portal in Goal. I really like the pipeline they have, but clearly they don't have enough. The University spends more money on their program than any other school in the country. They should not have to rely on the portal like this. Either we are recruiting the wrong kids (some of whom were well regarded when they committed), or they are not developing at the right pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Sure am glad you didn't get a vote on recruiting Tucker Poolman <- the late-bloomer's late bloomer. Tucker Poolman was a fifth round pick, drafted while still in the USHL. He was a late bloomer in the sense that he became a regular in the NHL versus a kid that was more likely to end up on a two-way AHL deal. I'd take a kid like Tucker 100/100 unless we had a roster full of kids who projected higher than he did already. Fifth year seniors from Lindenwood and Alaska do not equal Tucker Poolman. Oh, and Hak was still head coach when Poolman was recruited...ya know, the age where we could bring in elite levels of talent nearly every year, not just one or two good pieces some years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kevin G said: I think the vast majority of us agree with this assessment. I imagine Coach Berry agrees too. The question is, Why are we in the place of needing the portal so badly? Exactly - third year in a row for a portal goalie doesn't exactly scream top recruiting. Also player development (or lack of same) - how many players this year had no improvement or actually went backwards in the off season? The clock is ticking for change - high end talent is flocking to Denver, Minny, and Michigan like trained pigs and here we are. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, AJS said: Does anyone else find it frustrating that there are only TWO freshman forwards they feel are ready to come in? Why is that an issue? Because it looks like they are going to add 3 from the portal. Also sounds like they will end up going 4 Freshman / 4 Portal on defense. 1 Freshman / 1 Portal in Goal. I really like the pipeline they have, but clearly they don't have enough. The University spends more money on their program than any other school in the country. They should not have to rely on the portal like this. Here's to hoping this off-season is just one giant reset from last year's disaster. We have four Fs that'll be 19+ on Oct 1: Croal, Emerson, Panzer, Singleton. Two aren't ready, one's an enigma, the remaining is inbound. Of the other five pipeline Fs, Perron is ahead of schedule; the rest are on schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, The Sicatoka said: We have four Fs that'll be 19+ on Oct 1: Croal, Emerson, Panzer, Singleton. Two aren't ready, one's an enigma, the remaining is inbound. Of the other five pipeline Fs, Perron is ahead of schedule; the rest are on schedule. You seem to be missing the point. Like UND having 0 Freshman defenseman that were ready to come last year. Recruit more players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 <getting frustrated by issues with UND roster> <reads ESPN article about Minnesota Timberwolves> <UND problems don't seem so bad> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Forum members must have had alot of Easter ham yesterday... ...because we're a little salty today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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