2022-23 University of North Dakota Hockey Season

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 minute ago, scpa0305 said:

Please look at Donovan’s ushl stats (and age of when he put the numbers up). You argument/comparison makes zero sense.

He decommitted prior to putting up those stats though.

[stoneySIOUX]

Just now, siouxfaninseattle said:

I think this situation happens when they decided to ask Hain and Sneden to come back. Much as I like them both, and they certainly fit the UND culture, neither are great at putting the puck in the net. And the team needs scorers. Certainly Spicer was not likely to be a top player right away but the upside looks strong. I don't like keeping a fifth year guy around, or bringing in a one year guy from the portal, when you risk losing a potential 3 year top 6 guy.

Four players (potentially) are coming in this season that are being pegged as guys that can contribute offensively. We need scorers, no doubt, but we also need guys to do what Sendo and Hain do and they both play their roles at the best level possible. 

[AJS]

7 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

This is all completely fair. I just think our current class is a little packed up. They knew the kid needed a scholarship and based on the players coming in, he didn't have one this season. UND made the decision of one more year of Hain/Sendo for a run at a title over Spicer, who COULD end up being good, or could end up being Ryder Donavan. 

I don't think they did. If you agree with what Schlossman is saying and Spicer was 5th on the Freshman forward ranking (which I agree with the ranking), I just don't see how you were getting to five Freshman forwards. There are still going to be dots to connect, but I think the casualties of Hain/Senden are coming from guys already on the roster who would have stayed and not to the detriment of the Freshman class. 

[TheFlop]

15 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Spicer last season  - 26 games, 16 points

Montgomery USHL final season - 28 games, 23 points

Can we at least give Montgomery more than 16 games with very limited shifts at UND before people make a decision on him?

I actually don't mind Montgomery, but once again Montgomery did that a full year older than Spicer.  Do you really think Spicer wouldn't blow past that 23 point mark next season given how at every level he has started out slow but then skyrocketed once he got accustomed to the level?

[scpa0305]

5 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

He decommitted prior to putting up those stats though.

He decommited when we pulled his scholly…after super mediocre (actually terrible) years in the ushl 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

33 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

What if UND wins a natty this year?

#SimpleQuestions

Let’s win a ncaa game and move on from that. 

[stoneySIOUX]

1 minute ago, AJS said:

I don't think they did. If you agree with what Schlossman is saying and Spicer was 5th on the Freshman forward ranking (which I agree with the ranking), I just don't see how you were getting to five Freshman forwards. There are still going to be dots to connect, but I think the casualties of Hain/Senden are coming from guys already on the roster who would have stayed and not to the detriment of the Freshman class. 

I should have said "chose the roster as currently constructed" over them choosing Hain/Senden. Could have been more succinct there. 

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Let’s win a ncaa game and move on from that. 

Still doesn't answer my question lol.

[stoneySIOUX]

4 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

I actually don't mind Montgomery, but once again Montgomery did that a full year older than Spicer.  Do you really think Spicer wouldn't blow past that 23 point mark next season given how at every level he has started out slow but then skyrocketed once he got accustomed to the level?

Seems like a good reason to stay one more year at a level and then step into the next 

[siouxfaninseattle]

5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Four players (potentially) are coming in this season that are being pegged as guys that can contribute offensively. We need scorers, no doubt, but we also need guys to do what Sendo and Hain do and they both play their roles at the best level possible. 

They do what they are asked to do very well. Maybe Portz, Albrecht, Ness, Kunz can fulfill those roles, although maybe not quite as well but they don't plug up the pipeline. I will be happy to get beyond the #%*$ caused by Covid!

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

They do what they are asked to do very well. Maybe Portz, Albrecht, Ness, Kunz can fulfill those roles, although maybe not quite as well but they don't plug up the pipeline. I will be happy to get beyond the #%*$ caused by Covid!

I never thought he was ready to come in at 18. Not many do come here at 18. So, I'm not sure how plugged up the pipeline is, I guess. 

Still would pick Senden and Hain over all of those guys to play their roles. I have very high hopes for this team this coming season and I don't think adding Spicer to this year's team would have made a difference. Do I still want him after this coming season? Absolutely, which is why today sucks. He's got loads of potential. Kid made his choice, though.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

What if recruits see this as Berrys forte, other coach’s are for sure using this when talking to recruits, Rizzo, Halliday, Morrow , and now spicer seems like a trend and not a good one. 

[AJS]

5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I should have said "chose the roster as currently constructed" over them choosing Hain/Senden. Could have been more succinct there. 

All we can really do is watch how this plays out. This discussion made me think of the Mitchell Miller situation a few years back. There was a lot of Moore or Miller talk and he ended up bringing in both and that summer there was 9 defenseman on the roster (before the fiasco). That does tell me, that if Berry thinks the player is ready, he'll make room. There are going to be more dots to connect, but if we see two more go to the portal, then that was him making room for James. He clearly didn't think that Spicer was ready or that there was anymore fat to trim. 

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

What if recruits see this as Berrys forte, other coach’s are for sure using this when talking to recruits, Rizzo, Halliday, Morrow , and now spicer seems like a trend and not a good one. 

Tell me how that pitch goes from the coaches who are "using this against us" ... I'd love to know this insight on what you think is happening.

[brianvf]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

What if recruits see this as Berrys forte, other coach’s are for sure using this when talking to recruits, Rizzo, Halliday, Morrow , and now spicer seems like a trend and not a good one. 

You realize this happens at every major college hockey program, right?

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

talked to the boys over at the drum and guess they wanted him to wait a year

... or you just read @Schlossmangf original tweet ... 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Just now, stoneySIOUX said:

Tell me how that pitch goes from the coaches who are "using this against us" ... I'd love to know this insight on what you think is happening.

How about Berry will just keep delaying you when we will get you on the roster and maybe you can become an all American too, how’s that ?

[SIOUXELEVENS]

1 minute ago, brianvf said:

You realize this happens at every major college hockey program, right?

Oh I get it but seems way more frequent here it seems.

[The Sicatoka]

25 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

If he's willing to bail like this, he likely would have bailed after not getting much ice as a rookie.

#TransferPortal

[stoneySIOUX]

1 minute ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

How about Berry will just keep delaying you when we will get you on the roster and maybe you can become an all American too, how’s that ?

Yeah, that'll sell them.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Tell me how that pitch goes from the coaches who are "using this against us" ... I'd love to know this insight on what you think is happening.

We don’t know what is happening , but watching ex recruits win the frozen four , become  an all American as a freshmen  or lead the USHL in scoring gets a little old when we can’t score more then one goal in a playoff game. 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

21 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

He decommited when we pulled his scholly…after super mediocre (actually terrible) years in the ushl 

I think that was Mitchell Mattson. Donovan decommitted right as the high school season was starting.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Yeah, that'll sell them.

Your the one with all the inside info why do the decommit?

[stoneySIOUX]

29 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Your the one with all the inside info why do the decommit?

I mean, we've gone around ad nauseum about why Spicer decommitted. Could he turn out to bite us in the butt and be an All-American? Sure. This year, I highly doubt it. Quote me and write it down and I'll eat every bit of crow around if it happens.

Rizzo feels like a miss by the team. I'm sure Bubs would agree. I'll gladly die on the hill of thinking not having Scott Morrow on our team is a good thing. Many others would disagree. 

Other than those two... who else are we really missing? Miller did what he did and that's a wholly unique situation. I don't think he'll ever play college hockey again.

We can go down the list of decommits and figure out if this is such a massive problem, if you'd like. 

[N of GF]

1 hour ago, ChrisUND1 said:

It goes both ways.  Did this player and his family assume that they should get special treatment because they are GF people and that they could push the UND hockey program around?  Kid will get drafted, but that doesn't mean he is ready to play NCAA hockey now.  Again, I trust Berry and his staff.

Like every other person here, I have no knowledge about how this went down. If someone told me that the "true inside story" is that the Spicer's tried to throw their weight around to get their boy in before Berry thought he was ready, and then he decommitted just to prove a point, I would have zero trouble believing that story. But some around here automatically jump to the opposite conclusion that Berry is arrogant and doesn't care about his local recruits, when there is no history to suggest that is true.