geaux_sioux Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: I just feel like this was a window to make the leap. Otis, Waletzko and the defense. Otis is currently engaged, but that could change at any moment. Waletzko will be difficult to replace and lots of defenders(Canady, Shannon, Sequin, Holm, Turner, Haas, Galvin, and maybe Larson and Morrison. Not sure on the last two.) to replace. The good thing is Bubba and co have done a good job recruiting and the base and depth of the team is much better than it was after the 2016 season. We need to figure out how to consistently recruit the safety and DL positions. If we do that we will always have an elite defense. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: We need to figure out how to consistently recruit the safety and DL positions. If we do that we will always have an elite defense. Well, I for one would hope the linebackers stay good as well. I mean, if you recruit all positions well on defense, you end up with a good defense… Eureka! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Well, I for one would hope the linebackers stay good as well. I mean, if you recruit all positions well on defense, you end up with a good defense… Eureka! Yes, thank you for reiterating my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said: Against teams with equal or better personnel, the offensive line will not be good enough to compensate for a QB who won't run and struggles throwing deep. You guys will destroy me for it, but a DC will find game planning vs Q(or any QB who can/will run), even if he struggles throwing sometimes, more difficult than for Tommy. There is a reason Danny had Q throw the game winner vs ISU and not Tommy. As for the spring season, the offense was clearly struggling towards the end of the season when playing teams with equal or better personnel. What would you classify as a deep ball, in yards? Can you cite some examples of Tommy screwing up deep throws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 14 hours ago, nodak651 said: What would you classify as a deep ball, in yards? Can you cite some examples of Tommy screwing up deep throws? I would say any throw which travels over 25 yards from the LOS. In all actuality he has not thrown many at all this season. I think last Saturday he attempted 2, but I will rewatch to confirm that. One to Boltmann and one to Richter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 29 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: I would say any throw which travels over 25 yards from the LOS. Any? For your consideration ... If anything I'd say Tommy lacks accuracy on the deep post. He hits out routes very well (and outs are always longer than you think, Pythagorean geometry). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 23 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Any? For your consideration ... If anything I'd say Tommy lacks accuracy on the deep post. He hits out routes very well (and outs are always longer than you think, Pythagorean geometry). When I use the term "deep throw", I'm using it in the context of stretching the defense vertically. YOu are correct cross field throws can be very long throws in distance, but are not about stretching the defense. If Tommy makes a throw 25 yards downfield from LOS today, let me know how you think it went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: When I use the term "deep throw", I'm using it in the context of stretching the defense vertically. YOu are correct cross field throws can be very long throws in distance, but are not about stretching the defense. If Tommy makes a throw 25 yards downfield from LOS today, let me know how you think it went. So Tommy has trouble with separation from the defender. I get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Nodak78 said: So Tommy has trouble with separation from the defender. I get it. Wasn't the point. Don't forget Danny brings Q in to throw Hail Mary's AND to throw the winning TD last week at the end of the game, yet you still lie to your self and pretend opposing DC are somehow threatened with Tommy's dynamic abilities to throw bubble screens and 4 yard crossing patterns. If we score 4 offensive TD's in Brookings today we very, very likely win, Vegas thinks are chances are very, very slim. Football is not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parkers Pros Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 We need burners like this Dennis kid to take the top off who just committed. Your right we don’t get great separation. Give Illinois state credit, they played a really good defensive game against us in the secondary. Say what you will about Muss but the one thing he did well, or his staff, was recruiting WR. Greg Hardin, Kenny Golladay, Jameer Jackson were, arguably for sure, the best WR group we ever had. I think talent wise we are deeper now than ever. We have 5-6 really good guys. We need at least 1 who can dominate over the top though to take more pressure off the middle of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Midwestern Hawk said: Wasn't the point. Don't forget Danny brings Q in to throw Hail Mary's AND to throw the winning TD last week at the end of the game, yet you still lie to your self and pretend opposing DC are somehow threatened with Tommy's dynamic abilities to throw bubble screens and 4 yard crossing patterns. If we score 4 offensive TD's in Brookings today we very, very likely win, Vegas thinks are chances are very, very slim. Football is not rocket science. Deflection. You first stated Tommy can throw a deep. Sic points out he throw 25 yds quite often to the sidelines. You say it doesn't count has to be downfield. So please you I hinted it is because of separation and added it has to be Tommy's fault to fit your narrative. I like mentioned before in your mind the sun came up today so it is Tommy's fault. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Parkers Pros said: We need burners like this Dennis kid to take the top off who just committed. Your right we don’t get great separation. Give Illinois state credit, they played a really good defensive game against us in the secondary. Say what you will about Muss but the one thing he did well, or his staff, was recruiting WR. Greg Hardin, Kenny Golladay, Jameer Jackson were, arguably for sure, the best WR group we ever had. I think talent wise we are deeper now than ever. We have 5-6 really good guys. We need at least 1 who can dominate over the top though to take more pressure off the middle of the field. Just think if Muss would have recruited CB's like he did receivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, Nodak78 said: Deflection. You first stated Tommy can throw a deep. Sic points out he throw 25 yds quite often to the sidelines. You say it doesn't count has to be downfield. So please you I hinted it is because of separation and added it has to be Tommy's fault to fit your narrative. I like mentioned before in your mind the sun came up today so it is Tommy's fault. Watch today's game and if Danny has him throw a deep ball, watch the velocity or lack of, and compare it to other QB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: Watch today's game and if Danny has him throw a deep ball, watch the velocity or lack of, and compare it to other QB's. And accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: Watch today's game and if Danny has him throw a deep ball, watch the velocity or lack of, and compare it to other QB's. Velocity..lmfao 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan100 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 The time it takes from the qb to the receiver does matter - arm strength is what I call it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said: The time it takes from the qb to the receiver does matter - arm strength is what I call it Yep, Tommy also needs to put lots of loft to get it downfield, like the toss to Boltmann last week. Gave other DB time to get over the top, if not for a great play by #4 it would have been picked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jdub27 Posted November 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 11/20/2021 at 1:43 PM, Midwestern Hawk said: Yep, Tommy also needs to put lots of loft to get it downfield, like the toss to Boltmann last week. Gave other DB time to get over the top, if not for a great play by #4 it would have been picked off. He literally dropped it right in the basket. Any other type of throw is knocked down or picked. You're criticisms of QB1 are stretching further and further. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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