2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Redneksioux]

25 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Also, your post doesn’t address my initial post and a point I’ve been making since day one of this disaster. I keep hearing trust the experts, ok, which experts are you referring to?

I'll tell you who I wouldn't trust right about now, the CDC, I mean the White House.

[Redneksioux]

9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Because everyone knows on the scale of being "essential" the POTUS and an overpaid, uneducated, opinionated power forward are on the same level.

To your question what are you looking to accomplish? Who gets tested? How often?

 

What is the White House and professional sports looking to accomplish with surveillance testing? Who gets tested there and how often? Waiting for the new CDC, (White House) guidelines.

[petey23]

35 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I’ll assume you are talking about Trump. So four months ago when the cdc was  recommending locking everything down and other draconian measures, you think that was Trump pulling the strings? C’mon, you can’t just say it’s Trump every time you disagree with it.

But he can and does.

[Bison06]

7 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

I choose America. 

How can someone who supports a socialist and celebrates destruction of private property say something like, "I choose America"?

Both of those things are fundamentally not American.

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

I'll tell you who I wouldn't trust right about now, the CDC, I mean the White House.

Do you honestly not see how logically flawed your discussion point is right now? Trump has disagreed with the CDC at nearly every turn for the past 6 months and when the CDC makes a recommendation he happens to agree with you say it's him behind the scenes pulling the strings. So did his influence over this agency just recently come into effect? If so, explain how that happened.

[Hayduke1]

14 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

How can someone who supports a socialist and celebrates destruction of private property say something like, "I choose America"?

Both of those things are fundamentally not American.

I support destruction of private property?  Biden is a socialist?

Where do cult members come up with this bull$%!#? 

You little circle of Trumptards really live in an alternate universe.   That universe is NOT the United States of America.

 

 

[Redneksioux]

5 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Do you honestly not see how logically flawed your discussion point is right now? Trump has disagreed with the CDC at nearly every turn for the past 6 months and when the CDC makes a recommendation he happens to agree with you say it's him behind the scenes pulling the strings. So did his influence over this agency just recently come into effect? If so, explain how that happened.

So why will Redfield not stand behind the decision? 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/513946-cdc-director-walks-back-change-in-coronavirus-testing

Trump has been downplaying the need for testing and has insisted we need to be testing less. And the Coronavirus task force meeting just happened to take place while Fauci was in surgery. 

 

[Oxbow6]

24 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

What is the White House and professional sports looking to accomplish with surveillance testing? Who gets tested there and how often? Waiting for the new CDC, (White House) guidelines.

Again your rebuttal is once again answering a question with a question. Blanket schooling testing is impractical. You should understand that. 

[Bison06]

19 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

I support destruction of private property?  Biden is a socialist?

Where do cult members come up with this bull$%!#? 

You little circle of Trumptards really live in an alternate universe.   That universe is NOT the United States of America.

 

 

Biden is a self proclaimed socialist and yes, you've been supporting antifa and downplaying their destruction for months. You're such a coward that you can't even stand by your own convictions.

Edit: I typed Biden, but I meant Sanders

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

I choose America. 

This would have some relevance if the Biden flag was on fire.

[Redneksioux]

9 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Again your rebuttal is once again answering a question with a question. Blanket schooling testing is impractical. You should understand that. 

My point is the goal should be to accomplish the same thing, which is to reduce the spread of covid. Impractical because the quantity? Or impractical because the cdc wants less testing and not more?

[Bison06]

Just now, Redneksioux said:

My point is the goal should be to accomplish the same thing, which is to reduce the spread of covid. Impractical because the quantity? Or impractical because the cdc wants less testing and not more?

I heard from two more people yesterday who tested positive(zero symptoms) and then retested the following day and got a negative. This testing is somehow fatally flawed, more testing is simply leading to fear. It isn't changing anything and is completely unprecedented. We are well past a place where we can isolate cases and stop this from coursing through society. It is now an endemic virus and is here to stay. Shutting down, masking etc. These are simply delaying the inevitable and come with MASSIVE negative effects on our society.

When do you personally say it'll be time to get back to "precovid normal"? What criteria are you basing your opinion on?

[1972]

11 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

When do you personally say it'll be time to get back to "precovid normal"? What criteria are you basing your opinion on?

they dont have one....just keep moving that goal post. 

[Redneksioux]

12 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

I heard from two more people yesterday who tested positive(zero symptoms) and then retested the following day and got a negative. This testing is somehow fatally flawed, more testing is simply leading to fear. It isn't changing anything and is completely unprecedented. We are well past a place where we can isolate cases and stop this from coursing through society. It is now an endemic virus and is here to stay. Shutting down, masking etc. These are simply delaying the inevitable and come with MASSIVE negative effects on our society.

When do you personally say it'll be time to get back to "precovid normal"? What criteria are you basing your opinion on?

The testing flaws if true are concerning, you'd think we'd have the test down 6 months into this.

Increased testing shouldn't be leading to fear though, it should lead to some comfort. Identifying those infected so the infected can isolate should be helping to prevent further spread. We already know you can catch Covid more than once, so there's no such thing as letting it course through society until it's done. The faster it spreads the worse off we all are.

 At this point I can't see us ever getting back to "pre-covid normal". Maybe a vaccine will help get us there. Hopefuly.

[Bison06]

47 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

So why will Redfield not stand behind the decision? 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/513946-cdc-director-walks-back-change-in-coronavirus-testing

Trump has been downplaying the need for testing and has insisted we need to be testing less. And the Coronavirus task force meeting just happened to take place while Fauci was in surgery. 

 

My guess is political pressure. This back and forth alone should tell anyone who's paying attention that decisions are not being made based on science or public health, but on politics. That should disturb people, but apparently it doesn't.

[Bison06]

Just now, Redneksioux said:

The testing flaws if true are concerning, you'd think we'd have the test down 6 months into this.

Increased testing shouldn't be leading to fear though, it should lead to some comfort. Identifying those infected so the infected can isolate should be helping to prevent further spread. We already know you can catch Covid more than once, so there's no such thing as letting it course through society until it's done. The faster it spreads the worse off we all are.

 At this point I can't see us ever getting back to "pre-covid normal". Maybe a vaccine will help get us there. Hopefuly.

There have been a few isolated cases of 'recatching" covid. Let's not spread that propaganda around. If testing is flawed, did they really "recatch" it or did they not have it to begin with? Or not have it a second time.

Additionally, if we can't provide sufficient antibodies through contracting the wild virus than a vaccine will be useless anyway. You can't have it both ways on immunity.

[Oxbow6]

Just now, Redneksioux said:

The testing flaws if true are concerning, you'd think we'd have the test down 6 months into this.

Increased testing shouldn't be leading to fear though, it should lead to some comfort. Identifying those infected so the infected can isolate should be helping to prevent further spread. We already know you can catch Covid more than once, so there's no such thing as letting it course through society until it's done. The faster it spreads the worse off we all are.

 At this point I can't see us ever getting back to "pre-covid normal". Maybe a vaccine will help get us there. Hopefuly.

This post is so full of ignorance and a complete lack of any understanding as to the big picture. Just stop.

 

[Redneksioux]

Just now, Bison06 said:

My guess is political pressure. This back and forth alone should tell anyone who's paying attention that decisions are not being made based on science or public health, but on politics. That should disturb people, but apparently it doesn't.

It's disturbing to me. Obviously he did not support the decision. You had asked what experts we can trust, I'd trust Redfield over the experts that pushed this decision through.

[Hayduke1]

40 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

This would have some relevance if the Biden flag was on fire.

It is Trump's watch, dumbass.

[Bison06]

Just now, Redneksioux said:

It's disturbing to me. Obviously he did not support the decision. You had asked what experts we can trust, I'd trust Redfield over the experts that pushed this decision through.

So the CDC comes out with recommendations that the director of the CDC disagrees with? What sort of show are they running over there?

 

[Redneksioux]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

So the CDC comes out with recommendations that the director of the CDC disagrees with? What sort of show are they running over there?

 

That's a good question for the White House's coronavirus task force.

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

It is Trump's watch, dumbass.

Leftist BS logic. Let's force a lockdown of the entire country economically(antithetical to what Trump wanted) and when the economy tanks we'll keep repeating the mantra "This is Trumps America"

You're like a child who shits his pants and then blames it on his little sister who told him to go sit on the toilet before soiling himself.

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, Redneksioux said:

That's a good question for the White House's coronavirus task force.

So if two expert groups come out in opposition to each other, how do you personally choose who to believe?

[Oxbow6]

8 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

It is Trump's watch, dumbass.

....and this coming from you.

That's rich but carry on.

[Redneksioux]

6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

So if two expert groups come out in opposition to each other, how do you personally choose who to believe?

I believe asymptomatic carriers can spread the virus and that is a problem. Oxbow would like you to believe that is an ignorant stance though since Altru has just three patients hospitalized with covid right now though. Big picture, I know.