NDSUCKS Dump Thread

[geaux_sioux]

4 minutes ago, Mama Sue said:

Just out of curiosity, does UND have its own internal random drug testing policy... for all sports? Does NDSU? Or was this required for the playoffs?

UND does in house random testing. 

[gundy1124]

39 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

 

"In high amounts, it can lead to testing positive for a banned substance."

https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Caffeine and Athletic Performance.pdf

 

According to the article.  A player would limit out at around 6- 8 cups of coffee.  Looking on-line a player would exceed the limit with 3 5-hour energies or 5 red bulls.  I don't think 1 5-hour energy is the culprit here.  These players by normal standards are 'big' and with how fast their bodies are running during a full game, I would assume you'd really have to load up to fail a drug test based on caffeine levels.  My heart races at 100 mg........500 mgs is a lot.

[Siouxphan27]

16 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

Like I said it's a banned substance. You said it wasn't. It says right in the article you linked under Potential Risks that "Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA."

And here's your entire quote:

 

 Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA. A urinary caffeine concentration exceeding 15 micrograms per milliliter (corresponding to ingesting about 500 milligrams, the equivalent of six to eight cups of brewed coffee, two to three hours before competition) results in a positive drug test.

 

I take that to mean it is banned once exceeding 15 micrograms per millileter.  Maybe i'm interpreting it wrong.  

 

 

[North Dakota]

Just now, gundy1124 said:

According to the article.  A player would limit out at around 6- 8 cups of coffee.  Looking on-line a player would exceed the limit with 3 5-hour energies or 5 red bulls.  I don't think 1 5-hour energy is the culprit here.  These players by normal standards are 'big' and with how fast their bodies are running during a full game, I would assume you'd really have to load up to fail a drug test based on caffeine levels.  My heart races at 100 mg........500 mgs is a lot.

The supplement in question has 250 mgs per serving. So if a kid took a double shot and was tested shortly after, remember the NCAA could test before during or after a game, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he would test positive. 

[North Dakota]

1 minute ago, Siouxphan27 said:

And here's your entire quote:

 

 Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA. A urinary caffeine concentration exceeding 15 micrograms per milliliter (corresponding to ingesting about 500 milligrams, the equivalent of six to eight cups of brewed coffee, two to three hours before competition) results in a positive drug test.

 

I take that to mean it is banned once exceeding 15 micrograms per millileter.  Maybe i'm interpreting it wrong.  

 

 

Still a banned substance. I don't know what else to tell you, it's pretty black and white. There are limits on a lot of banned substances, these are found in everything we consume and in our bodies in general. That's why certain levels are required for a positive test result.

[Siouxphan27]

5 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

According to the article.  A player would limit out at around 6- 8 cups of coffee.  Looking on-line a player would exceed the limit with 3 5-hour energies or 5 red bulls.  I don't think 1 5-hour energy is the culprit here.  These players by normal standards are 'big' and with how fast their bodies are running during a full game, I would assume you'd really have to load up to fail a drug test based on caffeine levels.  My heart races at 100 mg........500 mgs is a lot.

Right, that's what I was thinking in terms of coffee or 5 hour energy amounts.   

It just seems like it is so easy to regulate, I find it hard to believe the kid accidentally OD'd on 5 hour energy.  

[Siouxphan27]

7 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

Still a banned substance. I don't know what else to tell you, it's pretty black and white. There are limits on a lot of banned substances, these are found in everything we consume and in our bodies in general. That's why certain levels are required for a positive test result.

Ok.  I was under the impression the vast majority of substances on the ncaa list were zero tolerance, and that only caffeine and possibly a couple others were regulated.  

[Siouxperfan7]

Ugh, this is taking forever.  Can't this process speed up to the time when they invoke postseasons bans and take away scholorships, wins, and National Championships?!!  That's what we all want to happen here!! 

[MafiaMan]

12 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Ugh, this is taking forever.  Can't this process speed up to the time when they invoke postseasons bans and take away scholorships, wins, and National Championships?!!  That's what we all want to happen here!! 

Yea, this'll happen as soon as the NCAA ban-hammer comes down on North Carolina basketball and Ohio State football.  

[The Sicatoka]

33 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

Still a banned substance. I don't know what else to tell you, it's pretty black and white. There are limits on a lot of banned substances, these are found in everything we consume and in our bodies in general. That's why certain levels are required for a positive test result.

So if you tested for caffeine at a urinary concentration of less than 15 micrograms per milliliter (the NCAA limit) you're acceptable. As you say, black and white. 

Thus caffeine is regulated, not banned, by the NCAA's own (mis)statements and stated limits. 

[The Sicatoka]

8 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Yea, this'll happen as soon as the NCAA ban-hammer comes down on North Carolina basketball and Ohio State football.  

Isn't there some old one-liner that the NCAA was so mad at Ohio State that they put Youngstown on three years probation. 

[North Dakota]

This is the real kicker:There is NO complete list of banned substances. Do not rely on this list to rule out any label ingredient.

Lol basically the NCAA can say anything they want is banned at any time. 

[North Dakota]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Isn't there some old one-liner that the NCAA was so mad at Ohio State that they put Youngstown on three years probation. 

MSUM better watch out! 

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

Lol basically the NCAA can say anything they want is banned at any time. 

You're coming to this site and trying to explain that the NCAA can be arbitrary and capricious? 

[North Dakota]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

You're coming to this site and trying to explain that the NCAA can be arbitrary and capricious? 

Touche'

[Siouxphan27]

2 hours ago, North Dakota said:

Still a banned substance. I don't know what else to tell you, it's pretty black and white. There are limits on a lot of banned substances, these are found in everything we consume and in our bodies in general. That's why certain levels are required for a positive test result.

thinking about this some more...probably too much....but, what are some examples of other ncaa banned substances that are regulated by the ncaa like caffeine is?   Could I have some meth or cocaine in my system?  Some steroids?   what substances do they regulate?

[North Dakota]

I'm guessing everything they test for has to meet a certain level before it's a "positive" result.

[bison73]

Nice to see somebody turned the light switch on. 

[Siouxphan27]

48 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

I'm guessing everything they test for has to meet a certain level before it's a "positive" result.

that doesn’t address my question though.  Maybe I should phrase it differently.   Are there lower detectable levels of other ‘banned’ substances that do not result in punishment?   Or is it only caffeine and perhaps testosterone that are regulated?

 

[Siouxphan27]

3 hours ago, North Dakota said:

Still a banned substance. I don't know what else to tell you, it's pretty black and white. There are limits on a lot of banned substances, these are found in everything we consume and in our bodies in general. That's why certain levels are required for a positive test result.

I finally looked back to see where the source of my question came from. 

You state “there are limits on a lot of banned substances.”

could you name some of them?   Thanks.  

[The Sicatoka]

Every test procedure has a "minimum detectable level". It could be some "parts per million" or "any". It's the ability of the test to find what it's looking for. That's just the science of testing. Don't believe me? Your smoke detector (testing for smoke in the air) doesn't go off when you light a candle in the room but there's still some smoke in the air. Is it detectable and above threshold? There's the questions. 

That said, I believe the NCAA has a "zero threshold" for Class I (Federally) illegal drugs. 

It has a below 15 sumpins-per-sumping "threshold" level for caffeine. 

Now the question is: For the stuff they test for, what are the "acceptable" thresholds? If they set a threshold level clearly they can detect at that level. Can they detect below threshold level is the other question. 

[The Sicatoka]

The NCAA bans ethanol, yes, "booze", an otherwise legal substance to non-minors.
But what's "enough" for a sanction and how low of a level can they detect? 

That said, no cough syrup before the game I guess ... 

[North Dakota]

13 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I finally looked back to see where the source of my question came from. 

You state “there are limits on a lot of banned substances.”

could you name some of them?   Thanks.  

I don't know why don't you do some research on it and let us all know your findings.

[Siouxphan27]

14 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

I don't know why don't you do some research on it and let us all know your findings.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/domi/genrel/auto_pdf/ncaa-banned-substance-list.pdf

 

Will this suffice?   I do not see any other substances that are REGULATED, which was my point going back to my post that you responded to to begin with.  

Brock and family wouldn't bother to say oh by the way it was the common stimulant caffeine, and his test came back outside the acceptable limits per ncaa regulations?

I feel kinda bad....you try so hard to pretend you are a UND fan and then something like this happens...  I'll give you a thumbs up just for trying.  

[North Dakota]

IDC what you think anyway.

The fact is we still don't know the facts.