cberkas Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 4:37 PM, KoolGuy2K said: Not sure if this has been asked before, but why is Vegas so good this year? Typically, in any sport, an expansion team takes several years to be decent. What happened with them? Did they just get lucky that their guys have good chemistry? Expand Sounds like they bought into the system and that no one gave them a chance. Quote
sprig Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 4:00 PM, sioux rube said: Winnipeg Jets defenseman Josh Morrissey will have a hearing with the Department of Player Safety for his cross-check to the head of Minnesota Wild forward Eric Staal on Tuesday night. Expand Does Morrisey have a history of suspensions, and if not could he still get more than 1 game. The missed call was a game changer that was not called, could he get at least 2 because of that? Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 4:37 PM, KoolGuy2K said: Not sure if this has been asked before, but why is Vegas so good this year? Typically, in any sport, an expansion team takes several years to be decent. What happened with them? Did they just get lucky that their guys have good chemistry? Expand Didn't the Jags and Panthers both make the NFL playoffs pretty quickly? I think it comes down to quality personnel decision making and a favorable draft environment. Does anyone know if the Vegas NHL expansion draft was conducted the same as previous iterations, or whether there changes (e.g., roster protection) that inured to the benefit of the new club? Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 5:03 PM, cberkas said: Sounds like they bought into the system and that no one gave them a chance. Expand They were clearly motivated; that chip on their shoulder didn't seem hurt. Fan support appears to have been there, as well. And you can never totally dismiss the 'Vegas flu' phenomenon for visiting teams. Quote
I Ranger Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 5:56 PM, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Didn't the Jags and Panthers both make the NFL playoffs pretty quickly? I think it comes down to quality personnel decision making and a favorable draft environment. Does anyone know if the Vegas NHL expansion draft was conducted the same as previous iterations, or whether there changes (e.g., roster protection) that inured to the benefit of the new club? Expand Vegas' expansion draft was set up for them to succeed right a way with most teams unable to protect all the players they would have wanted to keep whereas in previous expansion drafts (such as the year the Wild came in) the teams were left drafting from the scraps other teams didn't want. Hence the reason you never heard of the majority of the guys on those initial rosters. The NHL made sure this expansion team wasn't a dumpster fire out of the gates. Quote
petey23 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 2:57 PM, The Sicatoka said: LaDue outscoring Doughty in the playoffs this year ... what kind of number could've you gotten on that at a (Vegas) sports book. Expand and in 36 minutes of ice time vs. 85 minutes. Quote
Frozen4sioux Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 The NHL most certainly did not want the new team to fail. This may be the case study in how major pro sports expand in the future. Make sure there is instant winning excitement, I believe MLB tried to do somewhat the same when the Marlins and Rockies where created but nothing like this. One thing I see is that most expansions picked the players on the far fringes and just didnt have enough talent to compete these players being picked just under the bubble so to say of star players.... they have talent, and never underestimate a group of skilled people who feel they were left abandoned by their organizations. Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 6:04 PM, I Ranger said: Vegas' expansion draft was set up for them to succeed right a way with most teams unable to protect all the players they would have wanted to keep whereas in previous expansion drafts (such as the year the Wild came in) the teams were left drafting from the scraps other teams didn't want. Hence the reason you never heard of the majority of the guys on those initial rosters. The NHL made sure this expansion team wasn't a dumpster fire out of the gates. Expand Agree 100%. This team had a cornerstone goalie the moment Marc-Andre Fleury became their property. The NHL will definitely want to replicate this when Seattle lands an NHL team. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 6:35 PM, Frozen4sioux said: The NHL most certainly did not want the new team to fail. ... One thing I see is that most expansions picked the players on the far fringes and just didnt have enough talent to compete these players being picked just under the bubble so to say of star players.... Expand Certainly not in that key new market. I used to joke with PCM that I had the Dean Blais recruiting strategy relative to the USHL figured out: Dean didn't want the single best player from any team; he wanted the second and third best players from every team. I'd say Vegas got the NHL flavor of that concept. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 7:10 PM, MafiaMan said: Agree 100%. This team had a cornerstone goalie the moment Marc-Andre Fleury became their property. The NHL will definitely want to replicate this when Seattle lands an NHL team. Expand Didn't Blais claim one time that the position is so important the game should be renamed "Goalie". Quote
Oxbow6 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 7:15 PM, The Sicatoka said: Didn't Blais claim one time that the position is so important the game should be renamed "Goalie". Expand Except when you pull the goalie with 13 minutes left in the 3rd...................................................... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 7:35 PM, Oxbow6 said: Except when you pull the goalie with 13 minutes left in the 3rd...................................................... Expand No, that game is called AWESOME! Quote
cberkas Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 6:04 PM, I Ranger said: Vegas' expansion draft was set up for them to succeed right a way with most teams unable to protect all the players they would have wanted to keep whereas in previous expansion drafts (such as the year the Wild came in) the teams were left drafting from the scraps other teams didn't want. Hence the reason you never heard of the majority of the guys on those initial rosters. The NHL made sure this expansion team wasn't a dumpster fire out of the gates. Expand When Seattle starts their team Vegas is the only team that will be exempt from the expansion draft. Quote
cberkas Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 7:10 PM, MafiaMan said: Agree 100%. This team had a cornerstone goalie the moment Marc-Andre Fleury became their property. The NHL will definitely want to replicate this when Seattle lands an NHL team. Expand If the Penguins would have got a goalie to expose during the draft, they would still have Fleury. DaveK and his other identities have to be upset that they let Fleury get away. Quote
Shawn-O Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 4:00 PM, sioux rube said: Winnipeg Jets defenseman Josh Morrissey will have a hearing with the Department of Player Safety for his cross-check to the head of Minnesota Wild forward Eric Staal on Tuesday night. Expand Russo’s minions on Twitter are claiming “the call that turned a series”. Other than the Jets being faster, more physical with better skill they bring up a valid point. Granted with a healthy Parise and Suter it probably goes the full 7. Quote
Ray77 Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 8:18 PM, cberkas said: If the Penguins would have got a goalie to expose during the draft, they would still have Fleury. DaveK and his other identities have to be upset that they let Fleury get away. Expand What do you mean? DaveK is now a Golden Knight fan, isn't he?! 1 Quote
cberkas Posted April 18, 2018 Author Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 10:08 PM, Ray77 said: What do you mean? DaveK is now a Golden Knight fan, isn't he?! Expand I'm sure his next profile will be "Golden Knight something" when he's back on here. Quote
SWSiouxMN Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 11:35 PM, sprig said: Morrisey got 1 game Expand Another night of Poolman, who was sold, unless they get both Toby or Tyler back. Jets could be without 3 of their top 6 D on Friday. Quote
MafiaMan Posted April 18, 2018 Posted April 18, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 8:18 PM, cberkas said: If the Penguins would have got a goalie to expose during the draft, they would still have Fleury. DaveK and his other identities have to be upset that they let Fleury get away. Expand WOULD HAVE GOT? Quote
Frozen4sioux Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 10:08 PM, Ray77 said: What do you mean? DaveK is now a Golden Knight fan, isn't he?! Expand He is but hes making inroads on the Seattle message board already. Aint no way in H. E. double Gopherhole he hasn't been banned from Vegaschat yet. Quote
southpaw Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 8:18 PM, cberkas said: If the Penguins would have got a goalie to expose during the draft, they would still have Fleury. DaveK and his other identities have to be upset that they let Fleury get away. Expand I thought teams could only protect one goalie? So then everyone else would still have been exposed. Getting another goalie wouldn't have helped, it would have just made it so the Knights had two options (Fluery and Goalie B), in which they still would have taken Fleury. Quote
cberkas Posted April 19, 2018 Author Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 7:56 AM, southpaw said: I thought teams could only protect one goalie? So then everyone else would still have been exposed. Getting another goalie wouldn't have helped, it would have just made it so the Knights had two options (Fluery and Goalie B), in which they still would have taken Fleury. Expand Fleury had a no-trade clause and Murrey wasn’t eligible for the expansion draft (on his first contract). Pittsburgh could have picked a goalie up to expose and kept both Fleury and Murrey. Seeing how Fleury has been playing, he looks happy in Vegas. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 Sabres. Dulled. Senators. Impeached. Coyotes. Neutered. Canadiens. Americanized. Canucks. Deported. Red Wings. Clipped. Blackhawks. Down. Rangers. Homed. Oilers. Canned. Islanders. Set adrift. Hurricanes. Downgraded. Flames. Extinguished. Stars. Fallen. Blues. Sung. Panthers. Declawed. Kings. Deposed. Ducks. Peking'd. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 19, 2018 Posted April 19, 2018 On 4/18/2018 at 11:39 PM, MafiaMan said: WOULD HAVE GOT? Expand Quote
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