jdub27 Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 On 2/10/2018 at 12:21 AM, MafiaMan said: I don't understand all the complaining...I was told that 1 national championship sprinkled in with 6 or 7 years of mediocrity was just fine. I'm still laughing about this two days later and how there are some people that are now very conflicted (or at least should be). 2 Quote
chicofelipe Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm still laughing about this two days later and how there is some people that are now very conflicted (or at least should be). Yeah and we haven't even hit mediocrity yet. We could still host the first round of the conference tournament. We still have a legitimate shot of making the national tournament without having to win an auto-bid, and I can no longer recall the last time we were not in the top 1/3 of the national rankings. What the reality is this fan base is utterly spoiled at every level. Some of us old timers remember the lean years and appreciate games that matter in February and March. 3 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm still laughing about this two days later and how there is some people that are now very conflicted (or at least should be). Very few people actually said this. I never said it (you can go research it if you want). My position was (and still is) that it is a false choice (national title vs. consistent success). The two are not mutually exclusive. This is not a zero-sum game. I definitely am concerned about the past two years, but I am also not convinced we are headed to another 1991-94 situation either. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 36 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: Very few people actually said this. I never said it (you can go research it if you want). My position was (and still is) that it is a false choice (national title vs. consistent success). The two are not mutually exclusive. This is not a zero-sum game. 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MafiaMan said: What is that supposed to mean? I know some people on here said they would accept years of mediocrity for one NCAA title, but I am sure I never did. Quote
Cratter Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 If Brad Berry never wins another Frozen Four game in his entire UND coaching career, he will still have twice the number of Frozen Four wins than Dave Hakstol had his entire eleven years coaching at UND. 1 Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cratter said: If Brad Berry never wins another Frozen Four game in his entire UND coaching career, he will have tied the number of Frozen Four wins Dave Hakstol had his last ten years coaching at UND. And if Brad Berry doesn't make another Frozen Four for the next 4-6 seasons, will you still point out his 1.000 winning percentage and 2-0 all-time record in Frozen Fours or be calling for his head? Just curious... 1 1 Quote
Goon Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 I guess, I am confused... After winning an NCAA title, many fans wanted to erect a statue of Brad Berry in front of the Ralph. Now, I am reading comments that he can't coach. Isn't a good recruiter. Can't evaluate talent (even though he's was the head recruiter for Hak). Berry was also an assistant coach in the best league in hockey. Now all of a sudden, Berry doesn't have the ability to coach. Let's not forget, UND is playing in a conference that plucked the best teams minus the B1G and Notre Dame. And then add the two former CCHA schools. No one is going to run away and hide with that conference schedule. There's a reason the two former CCHA schools have struggled in the NCHC. Why do you think the league's PWR are so high? We're not playing in the WCHA anymore where half of your schedule is made up of teams that are basically a roll over and win game. A few years back. This was uttered at a press conference. “I think that coming into the year, one of the things we talked quietly about in our coaches room is that a team could finish two or three games over .500 and win this league,” Former head coach Dave Hakstol said. “I have no idea how it’s going to turn out 10 games from now, but that could be the case. It’s pretty tight (conference race).” Quote
Cratter Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, MafiaMan said: And if Brad Berry doesn't make another Frozen Four for the next 4-6 seasons, will you still point out his 1.000 winning percentage and 2-0 all-time record in Frozen Fours or be calling for his head? Just curious... I would probably have to evaluate each season and see how far they go, but I would probably say it looks like Berry peaked his first year at UND just like Hakstol. 1 Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Cratter said: I would probably have to evaluate each season and see how far they go, but I would probably say it looks like Berry peaked his first year at UND just like Hakstol. OIC, so under Hakstol, it's evaluate the team based on national titles only, but under Berry, we'll evaluate the team based on the season as a whole. I'll say this: If Denver, St Cloud, UMD, or (heaven forbid) Minnesota happens to win an NCAA title in the next five years and North Dakota doesn't make another Frozen Four in that time, this place will forget all about that 2016 title. Quote
Cratter Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: OIC, so under Hakstol, it's evaluate the team based on national titles only, but under Berry, we'll evaluate the team based on the season as a whole. If Berry leads UND for the next decade and we know he will have zero Frozen Four wins (which of course means zero Nattys), I say kick him to the curb now. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Cratter said: If Berry leads UND for the next decade and we know he will have zero Frozen Four wins (which of course means zero Nattys), I say kick him to the curb now. Well, I'm no predictor of the future, but maybe we should give the head coaching job to Nick Foles and see what happens... Quote
iluvdebbies Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 Just now, MafiaMan said: Well, I'm no predictor of the future, but maybe we should give the head coaching job to Nick Foles and see what happens... That would be a good plan B. First I would go with ....Thome ------player/coach They play hard for him now when he's just a goalie.....can't imagine the effort if he was also the coach. Plus they wouldn't be able to pay him so it would save UND a pile of money. 2 Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said: What is that supposed to mean? I know some people on here said they would accept years of mediocrity for one NCAA title, but I am sure I never did. I didn't point you out specifically (but you're awfully defensive about it) and don't have time to re-wind the thread, but PLENTY of people mentioned UMD in particular and how they would be more than OK with down-seasons if it meant an NCAA championship once every 7-10 years. 3 Quote
Cratter Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: Well, I'm no predictor of the future, but maybe we should give the head coaching job to Nick Foles and see what happens... Jim Montgomery has a nice resume. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Cratter said: Jim Montgomery has a nice resume. Don Lucia has 1 more NCAA title than Montgomery does. How about we hire that guy? 3 Quote
Blackheart Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 46 minutes ago, Cratter said: I would probably have to evaluate each season and see how far they go, but I would probably say it looks like Berry peaked his first year at UND just like Hakstol. Well of course he peaked his first year...it's hard to get higher than #1...hopefully he can peak again! Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I didn't point you out specifically (but you're awfully defensive about it) and don't have time to re-wind the thread, but PLENTY of people mentioned UMD in particular and how they would be more than OK with down-seasons if it meant an NCAA championship once every 7-10 years. I just wanted to set the record straight for everyone who thinks I was one of those people. Nothing personal. And you are correct, there were people saying that. And I disagree with that premise as well. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 43 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: OIC, so under Hakstol, it's evaluate the team based on national titles only, but under Berry, we'll evaluate the team based on the season as a whole. I'll say this: If Denver, St Cloud, UMD, or (heaven forbid) Minnesota happens to win an NCAA title in the next five years and North Dakota doesn't make another Frozen Four in that time, this place will forget all about that 2016 title. Agreed. Quote
Cratter Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: Don Lucia has 1 more NCAA title than Montgomery does. How about we hire that guy? Took The Don 14 years to win his first college hockey natty. I'd stick with Jim. Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: Well, I'm no predictor of the future, but maybe we should give the head coaching job to Nick Foles and see what happens... I thought Mike Haviland was supposed to be the guy after Friday??! 1 Quote
franchise Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 57 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I'll say this: If Denver, St Cloud, UMD, or (heaven forbid) Minnesota happens to win an NCAA title in the next five years and North Dakota doesn't make another Frozen Four in that time, this place will forget all about that 2016 title. We won in 2016?!? Quote
franchise Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I thought Mike Haviland was supposed to be the guy after Friday??! Can you imagine if UND had a coach that went 30-90 and the best yr was flirting with home ice? Hahaha Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, franchise said: Can you imagine if UND had a coach that went 30-90 and the best yr was flirting with home ice? Hahaha No, because that kind of struggle won't happen here again, if it really ever has. Quote
ibleedgreen Posted February 12, 2018 Posted February 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, franchise said: Can you imagine if UND had a coach that went 30-90 and the best yr was flirting with home ice? Hahaha Only if Brian Jones was a hockey coach would he be able to coach for that long without being told to kick rocks. 1 Quote
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