BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 I still like gundy's concerns about our student section vacancies and having more tickets for the student section, something like 2,500 for the 2,000 available. That overage (after all seats actually have a butt in them) can always turn into standing room tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: I still like gundy's concerns about our student section vacancies and having more tickets for the student section, something like 2,500 for the 2,000 available. That overage (after all seats actually have a butt in them) can always turn into standing room tickets. 4th quarter of an exciting 4 quarter game. It's hard to look at. Per quarter, my mental photos. 1st quarter - 80% 2nd quarter - 70% 3rd quarter 40%, and 4th quarter - 20%. I am sending this to Alerus, UND Marketing, and UND Game Day Committee (cause I am an agitator, that's right) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 24 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: 4th quarter of an exciting 4 quarter game. It's hard to look at. Per quarter, my mental photos. 1st quarter - 80% 2nd quarter - 70% 3rd quarter 40%, and 4th quarter - 20%. I am sending this to Alerus, UND Marketing, and UND Game Day Committee (cause I am an agitator, that's right) Have to give the band an "A". I can see myself and my group off to the left in section 215, we stayed till the end, thanks for the pic. I'll add one thing, during the 4th quarter there were a lot of butts disappearing all over the Hawk's Nest except in that home of the beer polka section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiSioux Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: 4th quarter of an exciting 4 quarter game. It's hard to look at. Per quarter, my mental photos. 1st quarter - 80% 2nd quarter - 70% 3rd quarter 40%, and 4th quarter - 20%. I am sending this to Alerus, UND Marketing, and UND Game Day Committee (cause I am an agitator, that's right) You do realize that literally every college football team in the country has this problem, right? Send the picture all you want I can guarantee the Alerus and athletic department is already aware of it. You can't force the students to stay. Just be glad they are there. I can think if more than one B10 school where the students roll in during the second quarter and leave during the third. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, WiSioux said: You do realize that literally every college football team in the country has this problem, right? Send the picture all you want I can guarantee the Alerus and athletic department is already aware of it. You can't force the students to stay. Just be glad they are there. I can think if more than one B10 school where the students roll in during the second quarter and leave during the third. Students are showing up, that is for sure, that's a big positive. Big improvement over last few years, so there is hope???? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, WiSioux said: You do realize that literally every college football team in the country has this problem, right? Send the picture all you want I can guarantee the Alerus and athletic department is already aware of it. You can't force the students to stay. Just be glad they are there. I can think if more than one B10 school where the students roll in during the second quarter and leave during the third. I never said force anyone to stay. I said accept it and oversell it. Accept and Oversell!!! I am gundy and I approve my message. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiSioux Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 If the students who already have the tickets and are there don't want to stay why do you think students that currently only come for tailgating or don't come at all will want to stay? I can't provide much insight because I love football and as a student in the D2 era I stayed for the whole game even when we were winning by 40. Only once did I leave early and that was because I had to go to work. Students today just have so many other options of things to do with their time. Spending five hours a Saturday at the Alerus for tailgating and football is just not going to win out for a majority of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just to be fair, some U's have student body sell outs, and they stay during the game. I just see the potential here at UND to get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 1 hour ago, WiSioux said: You do realize that literally every college football team in the country has this problem, right? Send the picture all you want I can guarantee the Alerus and athletic department is already aware of it. You can't force the students to stay. Just be glad they are there. I can think if more than one B10 school where the students roll in during the second quarter and leave during the third. Should we hand out brown participation ribbons to the first 500 students who leave at half time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 58 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: I never said force anyone to stay. I said accept it and oversell it. Accept and Oversell!!! I am gundy and I approve my message. The students stay for Hawkey, so we can improve. Did you know that the student section will be full this season for ALLLLLL Hawkey games, now without those afternoon games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie82 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Even Michigan has had trouble filling the student section and keeping them there in recent years. This is not unique to UND. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Ozzie82 said: Even Michigan has had trouble filling the student section and keeping them there in recent years. This is not unique to UND. If we are going to look at Michigan and Alabama.......let's at least get the percentages established. UND has 2,000 student seats for 14,223 enrollment (I subtracted the 3 druggies kicked off the team and I did take off players, band, and cheer members, estimated total 183) 4th quarter had 400 students out of 14,223 or 2.81% (if you're a 1%er you probably killed someone, that's how elite this low of a percentage is) of the student base stayed for the entire game. At 2,000 that's only 14.06% of the student base. However, the most that have entered each game is closer to 11%. Michigan has a 2016 enrollment of 44,718. Their student section was as high as 21,000 in 2012, but is down to 14,000 today. So 31% to 47% of the student base attend Michigan games. Alabama has.......ran out of time.......but the point is, even at full UND student section capacity of 2,000 we are asking less than half of what Michigan gets, or less than a third of Michigan at it's peak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkoHawks Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Wow, that's crazy to think that Michigan's student section is 1/3 to 1/2 their enrollment. But is it fair to compare an FCS to an FBS program? How do we stack up compared to other FCS programs?? In overall attendance and students attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiSioux Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 http://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/college/msu/2017/09/26/what-does-missouri-state-have-do-students-attend-football-games/677277001/ 9 hours ago, gundy1124 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, SkoHawks said: Wow, that's crazy to think that Michigan's student section is 1/3 to 1/2 their enrollment. But is it fair to compare an FCS to an FBS program? How do we stack up compared to other FCS programs?? In overall attendance and students attendance. I don't like the comparison that others are making, I was adding some perspective to the numbers, UND vrs. Michigan. What UND lacks in big time FBS atmosphere can be mitigated by a sense of community and pride. Based on the percentages I feel we have room to improve. Student tailgating has been wild, but need more in the game. Overselling the student GA section will help for 2018. Maybe we need a student committee so it becomes 'their' idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas rancher Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 7 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: I don't like the comparison that others are making, I was adding some perspective to the numbers, UND vrs. Michigan. What UND lacks in big time FBS atmosphere can be mitigated by a sense of community and pride. Based on the percentages I feel we have room to improve. Student tailgating has been wild, but need more in the game. Overselling the student GA section will help for 2018. Maybe we need a student committee so it becomes 'their' idea. Yes yes yes, another committee is definitely needed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Texas rancher said: Yes yes yes, another committee is definitely needed. Do you have something against people volunteering their time to atleast try to make things better? Should we not donate to charities, too, or is that OK with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 34 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: I don't like the comparison that others are making, I was adding some perspective to the numbers, UND vrs. Michigan. What UND lacks in big time FBS atmosphere can be mitigated by a sense of community and pride. Based on the percentages I feel we have room to improve. Student tailgating has been wild, but need more in the game. Overselling the student GA section will help for 2018. Maybe we need a student committee so it becomes 'their' idea. Isn't this the role of Nodak Nation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Texas rancher said: Yes yes yes, another committee is definitely needed. Everything the Gameday committee has implemented has been an improvement. The tailgates are better, the crowds have been consistently bigger, and the Alerus Center environment is much better for gameday: more UND signage and better field lighting system for presentation. The only thing missing this season is the most important thing: a winning football team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 27 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Everything the Gameday committee has implemented has been an improvement. The tailgates are better, the crowds have been consistently bigger, and the Alerus Center environment is much better for gameday: more UND signage and better field lighting system for presentation. The only thing missing this season is the most important thing: a winning football team. That would require a finish of 4 -1, with only 2 home games left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildfan Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 23 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: The students stay for Hawkey, so we can improve. Did you know that the student section will be full this season for ALLLLLL Hawkey games, now without those afternoon games. There is a financial commitment here for the students. However there are quite a number of groups that leave after the 1st and 2nd period ends to go to parties. But it is alot easier for a student that has no money put into it to leave when it gets rough, or to attend their greek formals etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Wildfan said: There is a financial commitment here for the students. However there are quite a number of groups that leave after the 1st and 2nd period ends to go to parties. But it is alot easier for a student that has no money put into it to leave when it gets rough, or to attend their greek formals etc. To a degree in MH, some leave, but nothing in comparison. Some students do pay $5 to go, as the FB free tickets in the student section have all been given away for the three games so far. A financial commitment for the tickets probably would have more students still in attendance at the final buzzer, but how about for the start of the game? I guess my point in that previous post was: Some posters are saying student attendance is getting to be a problem across college American. We have many students leaving early for FB. MH does well with student attendance, maybe we can learn something from that. Maybe charging a little would help some? Maybe there's a few things that need to get addresses? I can think of one off the top of my head, don't have as many injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 55 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: To a degree in MH, some leave, but nothing in comparison. Some students do pay $5 to go, as the FB free tickets in the student section have all been given away for the three games so far. A financial commitment for the tickets probably would have more students still in attendance at the final buzzer, but how about for the start of the game? I guess my point in that previous post was: Some posters are saying student attendance is getting to be a problem across college American. We have many students leaving early for FB. MH does well with student attendance, maybe we can learn something from that. Maybe charging a little would help some? Maybe there's a few things that need to get addresses? I can think of one off the top of my head, don't have as many injuries. The amount of money you can get away with charging students to attend a football game is probably not going to keep them there if they get bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Attendance is growing. Last weekends game was anything but booring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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