obborg Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:Representative of state/region Honor past/look to future Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion Sense of community/connectedness Intimidation to competitorsUnique, recognizable, distinctly UNDFormidable/fierce Inspiring, unforgettable Beautiful/classy When the initial cut was made to 63 and forwarded on to the committee, every one of those 63 names should have been rated based on the criteria listed above. The committee failed to hold to the very standards they came up with. Had they actually followed their own criteria, the names that were eventually narrowed down to vote on would be most likely met with more of a positive response. It's just one in a long line of red flags. Quote
tnt Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 That was the problem. You a a room full of people that voted names up or down based on personal preference rather than actual laid out criteria. This is where the process failed. And failed miserably!! What I can't understand is how people like Dave St. Peter and others let the consultant take over to the point where that was allowed to happen. 2 Quote
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 However wasn't the reason No Nickname came in dead last was because a few on the committee gave it an inflated -7 (or whatever the lowest possible number was) just to make sure it got the kiss of death. Even if some had it voted in the middle by the majority a -7 by one or two would totally skew where it actually fell in popularity. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Goehring, St. Peter and one other person had 'no nickname' as their first option but were outvoted by others. Quote
CMSioux Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 The committee actually did this with a -1, 0, +1 ranking system taking each quality/characteristic into consideration for each of the final 7 names individually. There even had a fancy score sheet that laid everything out! Roughriders came in 1st. Fighting Hawks came in 5th (one point behind Nodaks). "No nickname" came in dead last by a very large margin.If you look at the score sheet there were two on the committee that gave "North Dakota/No Nickname" a -5 and a -8, no other name received anything lower than a -2. It was obvious these two on the committee intended to skew the average and make sure that North Dakota/No Nickname did not make the cut - those super lower scores ensured it. 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 If you look at the score sheet there were two on the committee that gave "North Dakota/No Nickname" a -5 and a -8, no other name received anything lower than a -2. It was obvious these two on the committee intended to skew the average and make sure that North Dakota/No Nickname did not make the cut - those super lower scores ensured it. I guess for me, it isn't hard to see how "no nickname" did not score well on an exercise designed to evaluate nicknames. Even if those two score you mentioned would be have 0, it would have still been the lowest ranked and out of the top 5 by a decent amount. Someone also gave Roughriders a -2 when no other score was below 2. You can point at outliers like that for every nickname. I mean someone gave "no nickname" a +8, meaning they literally felt that having nothing to describe the athletic teams (outside of the University's name, which is used regardless) demonstrates 8 out of the 9 characteristics positively. Even the most homer "no nickname" fans on this board couldn't find 8 of the 9 that fit that way. 1 Quote
Fetch Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 i think the problem is there weren't any choices that met all those criteria. Plus, a lot of those points the committee came up with are purely opinions or silly. That's why I voted Nodaks in the hopes something representative of UND and ND could've evolved. Let's try the same exercise for Roughriders:Representative of state/region (Nope, Roughriders are either horseback riders from anywhere on earth, or else Teddy's southwestern US cavalry)Honor past/look to future (Nope, Roughriders were not from here. Unless we want to honor an award started in the 1960s. But why would we honor an honor? makes no sense)Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (agreed, this is a personal opinion)Sense of community/connectedness (agreed, Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)Intimidation to competitors (this point is just silly. no college athlete has ever been intimidated by a logo or name)Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (There's some nice RR merchandise on sale at Red River High School. and plenty of cowboys on horseback in the ncaa)Formidable/fierce (agreed, once again, personal opinion)Inspiring, unforgettable (personal opinion, and another silly criteria)Beautiful/classy (Old guys on ponies are not beautiful, but could possibly be classy?)We could have been the Angie Dickenson's Quote
TheGreatSiouxNation Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...Plus Dickinson State already has Hawks. Blue Hawks. So we have two choices that a high school in GF uses and another where another college within the borders of ND already uses. Wow. 1 Quote
Fetch Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 cant get much further than that from GF Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Plus Dickinson State already has Hawks. Blue Hawks. So we have two choices that a high school in GF uses and another where another college within the borders of ND already uses. Wow.Don't forget the American Association's Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks. Quote
Fetch Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Don't forget the American Association's Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks. I must have done that as I never made it to one game this yr Quote
TheGreatSiouxNation Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Don't forget the American Association's Fargo-Moorhead RedHawks. Blue Hawks. Red Hawks. Fighting Hawks. I'd rather be be the Chicken Hawks. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Well, the most common hawks in ND are Cooper's and red tailed ... In the United States, chickenhawk or chicken hawk is an unofficial designation for three species of North American hawks: the Cooper's hawk which is also called a quail hawk, the sharp-shinned hawk and the red-tailed hawk. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 TR moved to ND to ranch in 1883. UND founded in 1883. Harold Schafer founded the TR Medora Foundation. Now Harold's son Ed Schafer is interim president of UND. < "Abe Vigoda" guy's head to explode in ... three, two, ... > 4 Quote
obborg Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 TR moved to ND to ranch in 1883. UND founded in 1883. TR moved to Africa to hunt in 1909. Congo Clown College founded in 1909. And yes, their nickname is Roughriders. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 TR moved to Africa to hunt in 1909. Congo Clown College founded in 1909. And yes, their nickname is Roughriders.Clown College is not in the Congo. It's at Minnesota Highways 15 and 23. And it was founded in 1869. 4 Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 TR moved to ND to ranch in 1883. UND founded in 1883. Harold Schafer founded the TR Medora Foundation. Now Harold's son Ed Schafer is interim president of UND. < "Abe Vigoda" guy's head to explode in ... three, two, ... > and, the Roughriders arrived here in...???oops, never mind! Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 and, the Roughriders arrived here in...???I just said the first one in 1883. He's the only one that matters. The rest followed. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 and, the Roughriders arrived here in...???oops, never mind!look up jesse langdon Quote
Shawn-O Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 I have seriously not met one person who is a Fighting Hawks supporter... I see there are a couple of them on here but I have yet to actually meet one in person. I don't understand where all these votes are coming from? I have talked with a lot of students on campus as well. The funny thing is that the requirements for a name to make the final vote are nowhere to be found in the name "Fighting Hawks." Here is the list of nickname trait requirements:Representative of state/region (Ok, our state has Hawks, so does every other state)Honor past/look to future (Just because it has "Fighting" in it doesn't mean it honors our past. You can add "Fighting" to anything.)Promote pride, strength, fierceness, passion (this is a personal opinion)Sense of community/connectedness (Definitely isn't going to bring us all together)Intimidation to competitors (Well then we should be intimidated by many teams given the popular use of any Hawk name)Unique, recognizable, distinctly UND (Not even close)Formidable/fierce (once again, personal opinion)Inspiring, unforgettable (Not even close)Beautiful/classy (Hawks are beautiful animals, I will agree with that)If you can make the case that Fighting Hawks represents these traits with GOOD reasoning then I'm all ears...North Stars, Fighting Hawks: check, move forwardNokota, Arrows: no good....Pretty embarrassing. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 and, the Roughriders arrived here in...???oops, never mind!When horses did.Breaking in horses even happened in the Red River Valley, aso a quick check of history will show that. Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 look up jesse langdonYes, one guy. He was the son of the head veterinarian at ndsu at the time. Great tie-in for UND.... Not. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Yes, one guy. He was the son of the head veterinarian at ndsu at the time. Great tie-in for UND.... Not.good enough for me... 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Yes, one guy. He was the son of the head veterinarian at ndsu at the time. Great tie-in for UND.... Not.and this is?? 3 Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 When horses did.Breaking in horses even happened in the Red River Valley, aso a quick check of history will show that.I made that same point in this thread; nothing unique about it. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 Yes, one guy. He was the son of the head veterinarian at ndsu at the time. Great tie-in for UND.... Not.or this? 3 Quote
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