NCAA To Sanction UND if School Does Not Adopt New Nickname

[bigskyvikes]

Funny....I stayed away from here because of all the know it all's that don't know what they are talking about, just speculation! I hear Goon cleared things up on thatthat argument so I thought I'd look...

 

You guys spin that info to say it proves your no nickname stance?!! 

WOW!

Looks like the no nickname option is gaining even more ground than it needs to, to make it happen..alright!

Get ready for the implosion around here...

 

What's with the new look? It keeps double printing some words for me???

[The Sicatoka]

There's a lot of "told you so" back slapping going on around here. 

Both sides can claim that because of one sentence:

However, the NCAA did say that if fans resumed using Sioux or Fighting Sioux, the NCAA believes other schools will complain and that, in turn, would very likely result in sanctions.

Remember when I asked what fraction of "no nicknamers" wanted that so they could keep on using the old nickname. Well, that's been acknowledged by the NCAA right there. And they're just waiting for it because they love to use their sanction hammer.   

[homer]

The NCAA has ZERO authority to sanction a University of what fans say.....ZERO.

If that were the case UMD would be sanctioned for the smallpox blanket displayed at WCHA Final Five.....aand NDSU would be sanctioned for the tshirt of the bison fellatied "sp?" By the Indian figure.

Using this argument to try and denounce staying "North Dakota" is just flat out false. A lie. 

 NCAA can not by the agreement or settlement or legally in any way sanction a University athletic program based on spectators free speech.  

Those examples you gave above were part of the problem that led to the NCAA creating a policy on Native American nicknames.  Native American people did not like seeing t-shirts with a native american performing oral sex on an animal or shirts saying "Siouxper Drunk".  The NCAA can't force those shirts to go away but they can make things miserable for one of its member institutions.  The anti nickname crowd will be all over this and make the argument that no nickname was selected so the school can remain the Fighting Sioux.  Its exactly what the Sioux Forever crowd wants.  

This is really no different than their stance on the confederate flag at colleges in South Carolina.  They couldn't make the flag go away but they were able to punish the their member institutions in that state.  Those universities were not responsible for that flag but they were the ones who served the punishment with the NCAA not allowing any post season tournaments in the state of SC.  

[Hayduke]

Let turn on the NCAA translator for a few of you:

When the NCAA says: " ... the NCAA believes other schools will complain ... "

The NCAA means: " ... we already have a few lackeys and minions lined up to complain ... "

"It's good to be the king." -- The NCAA

One game into a series at St. Clown State and the minute one husky fan sees a Sioux jersey or hear "Let's go Sioux!" , It's over.  

With a new nickname,  you can wear the Sioux gear and yell "Sioux!" without liability put on UND.  Without a new nickname, the NCAA can place blame on UND.  

 

Bottom line...if you are a UND supporter...choose a new nickname.  

[jdub27]

Spot on.  There's definitely some about facing taking place on this message board today.  Sure seemed to be a lot of bar-stool lawyers on here last week who were certain that UND's decision to not chose a new nickname would be in violation of the settlement agreement.  Looks like Goon did a great job of clearing up those errors as I don't seeing anyone willing to stick by their (old) position today.

Yet if UND goes with "no nickname" and fans continue to use Fighting Sioux, the NCAA will impose sanctions because it will have proved the UND did not transition to a new nickname.  Whether they do on the grounds that UND didn't select and transition to a new nickname and is in violation of the settlement agreement because they are allowing/encouraging fans to use Fighting Sioux or they just flat out change the rules to state that all member institutions must have a nickname does not matter.  Selecting "no nickname" will result in sanctions.

[UND1983]

What part of this direct quote from the NCAA themselves do people not understand:

"However, the NCAA did say that if fans resumed using Sioux or Fighting Sioux, the NCAA believes other schools will complain and that, in turn, would very likely result in sanctions. The NCAA does seem to believe that UND has done its best to comply with the settlement agreement."

 

 

Edited August 3, 2015 by Sioux83

[bigskyvikes]

If you believe fans from one school complaining about another schools fans can make the NCAA play mommy, you're nuts!

[UND1983]

If you believe fans from one school complaining about another schools fans can make the NCAA play mommy, you're nuts!

So you are now telling everyone that the NCAA doesn't mean what they wrote to UND?  They were joking.  

[The Sicatoka]

If you believe fans from one school complaining about another schools fans can make the NCAA play mommy, you're nuts!

That's how we got here in the first place! --> Opposing fans didn't like UND fans chanting "Let's go Sioux!" 

And the NCAA didn't play mommy; they played "who's your daddy." 

Edited August 3, 2015 by The Sicatoka

[STS]

What part of this direct quote from the NCAA themselves do people not understand:

"However, the NCAA did say that if fans resumed using Sioux or Fighting Sioux, the NCAA believes other schools will complain and that, in turn, would very likely result in sanctions. The NCAA does seem to believe that UND has done its best to comply with the settlement agreement."

 

 

Not sure you know what "direct quote" means.  You do realize that Goon was corresponding with UND, right?

[UND1983]

Not sure you know what "direct quote" means.  You do realize that Goon was corresponding with UND, right?

The NCAA sent them an email or stated what was written above.  Is that a direct quote by them to UND or maybe an indirect quote or a soft quote?

Let us know, chief.  

[82SiouxGuy]

If you believe fans from one school complaining about another schools fans can make the NCAA play mommy, you're nuts!

It will be the administration from another school complaining to the NCAA, not the fans from that school.

[Hayduke]

If that was the meaning, there is no way in hell Kelley will allow a no nickname vote.  I believe it was and he won't.   

[STS]

The NCAA sent them an email or stated what was written above.  Is that a direct quote by them to UND or maybe an indirect quote or a soft quote?

Let us know, chief.  

Hearsay?  Clearly not admissible in the court of message board justice.

[darell1976]

Possible schools that would complain:

 

St Cloud State

Wisconsin

Minnesota

 

Emphisis on the first school, so it's obvious choose a new nickname and NCAA can't touch us as we would be in the same boat as Marquette, Dartmouth, and all the other Indian nicknamed schools that changed. As long as we have a new name you can still wear Sioux gear.

[ScottM]

It will be the administration from another school complaining to the NCAA, not the fans from that school.

Or quite possibly some ofUND's own esteemed faculty, staff and/or students since they love moving the target to suit their own ends.

[zonadub]

If I recall correctly, the NCAA did not require UND drop the Fighting Sioux name. They said UND could continue as the Sioux if that is their desire. The sanctions for using the Sioux name were the penalty for continuing to use the name.

It sounds an awful lot like they have just said the same thing about going forward without a nickname (that will be a de facto endorsement of continuing to use the Sioux name). As far as the NCAA is concerned, they just pulled a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands of it and placed the final verdict in the hands of UND's opponent - whether on the ice, field or floor or the hands of the victim crowd. Any of these subgroups can yell "crucify them" and the NCAA, like Pilate, will happily comply.

[darell1976]

If I recall correctly, the NCAA did not require UND drop the Fighting Sioux name. They said UND could continue as the Sioux if that is their desire. The sanctions for using the Sioux name were the penalty for continuing to use the name.

It sounds an awful lot like they have just said the same thing about going forward without a nickname (that will be a de facto endorsement of continuing to use the Sioux name). As far as the NCAA is concerned, they just pulled a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands of it and placed the final verdict in the hands of UND's opponent - whether on the ice, field or floor or the hands of the victim crowd. Any of these subgroups can yell "crucify them" and the NCAA, like Pilate, will happily comply.

Exactly and no one can say that the majority of the crowd would not wear Fighting Sioux gear (in favor of the plain UND gear) if they had no nickname, the proof was how many "Sioux fans" showed up at the rally a week or so ago.

[The Sicatoka]

... they just pulled a Pontius Pilate and washed their hands of it and placed the final verdict in the hands of UND's opponent - whether on the ice, field or floor or the hands of the victim crowd. Any of these subgroups can yell "crucify them" and the NCAA, like Pilate, will happily comply.

You're thinking outside groups. 

I'm with ScottM; I expect there to be a Judas or two at UND more than willing to turn us over for crucification. 

[darell1976]

You're thinking outside groups. 

I'm with ScottM; I expect there to be a Judas or two at UND more than willing to turn us over for crucification. 

That's pretty much a guarantee. 

[Big Green]

Best solution stay North Dakota.  If NCAA is not satisfied then new nickname is NoDak's.

[jdub27]

Best solution stay North Dakota.

I'd love to hear the logic behind this after the contents of the statement passed on from the NCAA.

[Benny Baker]

I understand everyone's concerns about possible sanctions if UND supporters (or too many of them)  wear Fighting Sioux gear, but is UND in violation of the settlement agreement if it moves forward with "North Dakota" for its nickname?

[UND1983]

I understand everyone's concerns about possible sanctions if UND supporters (or too many of them)  wear Fighting Sioux gear, but is UND in violation of the settlement agreement if it moves forward with "North Dakota" for its nickname?

Nope.  Not until the NCAA says they are.  

[Benny Baker]

Nope.  Not until the NCAA says they are.  

So you are now telling everyone that the NCAA doesn't mean what they wrote to UND?  

Hmmm. I wonder which one it is.