willythekid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You just proved me right, as always. You want what you want and that is all that matters in your little world. Oh, and nice insult. Name calling means you are losing the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willythekid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You do realize you just called everyone who doesn't agree with your side of the argument tantrum throwing toddlers right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 You do realize you just called everyone who doesn't agree with your side of the argument tantrum throwing colleagues of his right? What would you call people that want to stay "North Dakota" forever, despite the possible consequences to the entire institution? Is there a better term for those people that wrote into the Heraldo today threatening to not support UND anymore? If you have a better term, then tell me. I suppose selfish would fit the bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxScore Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I would have said a couple of years ago, "NEVER!"  Now, I'd say less than five years. Heck, if the hockey team wins the NCAA under the name "Sundogs", I wouldn't be surprised if they embrace that name. Winning changes everything.  I still hate Sundogs.... I have a hard time believing the hockey team will really ever embrace or use the new nickname/logo no matter what it is. I think they will just stick with the current uniforms they have now and continue to use North Dakota. If they won a title this year I also wouldn't be at all surprised if they made sure to somehow incorporate the Fighting Sioux name/logo in post game celebration especially in the locker room. It was cool this year that we still got to see the Fighting Sioux logo during hockey games as Zane had a patch on his chest protector and you could make it out under his jersey especially the white jerseys pretty easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxstudent Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I have a hard time believing the hockey team will really ever embrace or use the new nickname/logo no matter what it is. I think they will just stick with the current uniforms they have now and continue to use North Dakota. If they won a title this year I also wouldn't be at all surprised if they made sure to somehow incorporate the Fighting Sioux name/logo in post game celebration especially in the locker room. It was cool this year that we still got to see the Fighting Sioux logo during hockey games as Zane had a patch on his chest protector and you could make it out under his jersey especially the white jerseys pretty easily. The players indeed used the name/logo as added fire/motivation etc. I am guessing/hoping that will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willythekid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What would you call people that want to stay "North Dakota" forever, despite the possible consequences to the entire institution? Is there a better term for those people that wrote into the Heraldo today threatening to not support UND anymore? If you have a better term, then tell me. I suppose selfish would fit the bill. "Despite possible consequences" There are a lot of consequences that come with a new nickname that no one can agree on as well. The biggest consequence I hear over and over from the pro nickname crowd is that you can't brand just North Dakota. This is a bunch of bull$%!#. I have a closet full of University of North Dakota apparel with no Sioux connection. The exact stuff they have been selling for a couple of years now. What I won't ever have in my closet is (enter new !@#!$ nickname) clothing. I'm not the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I have a hard time believing the hockey team will really ever embrace or use the new nickname/logo no matter what it is. I think they will just stick with the current uniforms they have now and continue to use North Dakota. If they won a title this year I also wouldn't be at all surprised if they made sure to somehow incorporate the Fighting Sioux name/logo in post game celebration especially in the locker room. It was cool this year that we still got to see the Fighting Sioux logo during hockey games as Zane had a patch on his chest protector and you could make it out under his jersey especially the white jerseys pretty easily.  So, what you are saying is that the hockey team is above the rest of the athletic department and the university?  That's why others say there is a hockey only mentality at UND.  Suffice it to say that when the new name arrives and the logo/emblem comes with it, it WILL be on the new hockey uniforms. The marketing of the new logo/emblem will hinge on the hockey team, as it is the most popular sport on the campus and with the fans. To say that the hockey team just will decide on their own not to use the new nickname is pure delusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 "Despite possible consequences" There are a lot of consequences that come with a new nickname that no one can agree on as well. The biggest consequence I hear over and over from the pro nickname crowd is that you can't brand just North Dakota. This is a bunch of bull$%!#. I have a closet full of University of North Dakota apparel with no Sioux connection. The exact stuff they have been selling for a couple of years now. What I won't ever have in my closet is (enter new !@#!$ nickname) clothing. I'm not the only one. I am talking about the NCAA determining in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) that "North Dakota" is really a clandestine version of "Fighting Sioux". Then it's back on the naughty list with Alcorn State and with that, all the problems that it will cause our coaches and student-athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What would you call people that want to stay "North Dakota" forever, despite the possible consequences to the entire institution? Is there a better term for those people that wrote into the Heraldo today threatening to not support UND anymore? If you have a better term, then tell me. I suppose selfish would fit the bill. Â Pretty sure willythekid was talking about the fact that you:Â Â 1. Called all people with a different opinion about the nickname "temper tantrum throwing colleagues" 2. Proclaimed yourself the "winner" because someone else called you slapnuts. "Name calling means you are losing the argument" Â I'm no expert on logic but I think I see some inconsistencies there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I have a hard time believing the hockey team will really ever embrace or use the new nickname/logo no matter what it is. I think they will just stick with the current uniforms they have now and continue to use North Dakota. If they won a title this year I also wouldn't be at all surprised if they made sure to somehow incorporate the Fighting Sioux name/logo in post game celebration especially in the locker room. It was cool this year that we still got to see the Fighting Sioux logo during hockey games as Zane had a patch on his chest protector and you could make it out under his jersey especially the white jerseys pretty easily.  That all comes back to their leadership.  Is Brad Berry going to be the only coach on campus who fights the process by not supporting it?  Thus, leading his players and their fan base to do the same?   I think we can all agree:  If Berry were to come out and state that he and his program are behind the nickname process and want what's best for the university-as his SID pointed out yesterday- the rest of the players and fan base would follow suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 What would you call people that want to stay "North Dakota" forever, despite the possible consequences to the entire institution? Is there a better term for those people that wrote into the Heraldo today threatening to not support UND anymore? If you have a better term, then tell me. I suppose selfish would fit the bill. I guess I missed this part of the debate, but what exactly are these consequences you speak of... and why would an institution suffer any for choosing a new nickname by incorporating it's geolocation? Seems like a made-up argument meant to bolster an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 That all comes back to their leadership.  Is Brad Berry going to be the only coach on campus who fights the process by not supporting it?  Thus, leading his players and their fan base to do the same?   I think we can all agree:  If Berry were to come out and state that he and his program are behind the nickname process and want what's best for the university-as his SID pointed out yesterday- the rest of the players and fan base would follow suit.  It wouldn't surprise me if such a statement were not made within the new couple of weeks. Why would Berry risk his job over a nickname? He'll embrace the new name and the players will as well. Because it's for the good of unity within the UND family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Pretty sure willythekid was talking about the fact that you:Â Â 1. Called all people with a different opinion about the nickname "temper tantrum throwing colleagues" 2. Proclaimed yourself the "winner" because someone else called you slapnuts. "Name calling means you are losing the argument" Â I'm no expert on logic but I think I see some inconsistencies there. Pretty sure I am not the only one that is calling the "Fighting Sioux Forever" crowd "temper tantrum throwers". Geaux basically called them "toddlers" in the initial posting on this thread. And I agree with him. Â As Mr. Spock (the late Leonard Nimoy) used to put it: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I am talking about the NCAA determining in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) that "North Dakota" is really a clandestine version of "Fighting Sioux". Then it's back on the naughty list with Alcorn State and with that, all the problems that it will cause our coaches and student-athletes. When did the NCAA make this determination? I missed that press release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willythekid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 I am talking about the NCAA determining in their infinite wisdom (sarcasm) that "North Dakota" is really a clandestine version of "Fighting Sioux". Then it's back on the naughty list with Alcorn State and with that, all the problems that it will cause our coaches and student-athletes. This is also a scare tactic. I have neither read nor heard anywhere that the NC$$ will not allow UND to carry on without a nickname. Here's a news flash... The NC$$ along with the PC crowd might have problems with the rough riders nickname in the not-so-distant future. The PC crowd didn't like Boone from Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 When did the NCAA make this determination? I missed that press release. They haven't. Yet. They probably are watching this whole sorry exercise from a distance to see what happens. You won't hear from them unless we go along with "North Dakota". By then it will be too late to avoid their wrath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Pretty sure I am not the only one that is calling the "Fighting Sioux Forever" crowd "temper tantrum throwers". Geaux basically called them "toddlers" in the initial posting on this thread. And I agree with him. As Mr. Spock (the late Leonard Nimoy) used to put it: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one." Yikes... trekkie alert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Yikes... trekkie alert. Yeah, I like Star Trek...and Star Wars. Â That doesn't mean the quote doesn't have some truth to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 It wouldn't surprise me if such a statement were not made within the new couple of weeks. Why would Berry risk his job over a nickname? He'll embrace the new name and the players will as well. Because it's for the good of unity within the UND family.  LOL - yah right.  They have really shown they care about the rest of campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 They haven't. Yet. They probably are watching this whole sorry exercise from a distance to see what happens. You won't hear from them unless we go along with "North Dakota". By then it will be too late to avoid their wrath. So, you have insider information validating this. Or your opinion? I suspect the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Pretty sure I am not the only one that is calling the "Fighting Sioux Forever" crowd "temper tantrum throwers". Geaux basically called them "toddlers" in the initial posting on this thread. And I agree with him. As Mr. Spock (the late Leonard Nimoy) used to put it: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one."so which are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Kirk would whipped some azz & got the girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibleedgreen Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 The Times They Are a Changin'.....I may be one of the biggest Fighting Sioux Nickname supporters but even I know that we all need to move on and support a new nickname because there is no chance of going back. We might as well accept the change and embrace the new nickname(Hopefully the Fighting Hawks). If you don't believe UND and their fans need a nickname and mascot to market you are high out of your mind.  2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 They haven't. Yet. They probably are watching this whole sorry exercise from a distance to see what happens. You won't hear from them unless we go along with "North Dakota". By then it will be too late to avoid their wrath. Ah yes, the unsupported opinion that after playing as "North Dakota' for the past three years, the NCAA will no longer allow that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willythekid Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 LOL - yah right. They have really shown they care about the rest of campus. People talk like the hockey program owes the other athletic programs something for being so successful... What has women's volleyball done for hockey lately. The people that bitch about the hockey program should really get a clue about where UND gets a hefty amount of their money from. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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