gfhockey Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I don't have any other monikers Where did I say he has coached longer then 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzou/sioux Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Its hockey and its played on ice not on paper. You're still going to go get the best players you can. Ask Minnesota about losing to Union last year; who do you think had more draft picks. Same case when Yale won it. Does the #1 NHL team win the cup every year? Our loss in the tourney to Michigan was the perfect example. We came out of that regional winning games 6-0 and 6-1. Far and away the best team in the tourney on paper, and to that point the best team on the ice. Hockey doesn't always reward the best team, and the outcome doesn't always reflect the play. We have won games this year where we were probably not the better team out there, and against Boston we had the better play. In a full season with this many games, and a tourney that is 1 and done, anyone who gets in has a chance to win. Thats just the way it is. Do you think Boston losing means they should fire their coach? Do you Deano should be fired, because he lost in the Semis? No because it happens. The only reason people can complain about Hak losing so many Frozen Fours, is because he has gotten us to that many Frozen Fours. Which is more than just about anyone else out there. Agreed. That loss to Michigan is a most painful reminder that the best team often does not win. And Hak has gotten us to the Frozen Four so many times. Many other teams are out in the first round. And speaking of Michigan, Michigan went 32 years between national titles. Winning title #8 wasn't easy for the Wolverines, any more than it is for the Sioux. Michigan won six of the first nine NCAA Division I hockey titles, then didn't win #7 until 1964. Number 8 didn't come until 1996. There's a new face to Division I men's hockey, Union winning it all in 2014 and Providence in 2015. We may not like it, but parity is the name of the game in college hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Tippet Sandy Eadesy Blaiser Hertsy I could go on and on Crickets ain't chirping anymore bud Herter is an interesting idea, but not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 TippetSandyEadesyBlaiserHertsyI could go on and onCrickets ain't chirping anymore budIt appears former player is a criteria, maybe if you listed other criteria more names can be brought forward,I don't think Hak "needs" to go, but coaching changes do happen... so I see no harm in the discussion of a replacement. I would rather discuss how we as fans can help the program.(overlooking the Ralph Englestad route until I win the lottery)Bashing on Refs: It's fun, It may be accurate, does it make us a target?Bashing the NCAA: Call it the curse of the logo, did a certain ref get assigned because of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OshieRoll Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would be willing to bet Tippet doesn't step down to the college ranks (I know I know, Andy Murray did) but Tippet is a better coach than Murray. Sandy, PLEASE (if you base his whole coaching resume off of one title than you obviously don't know hockey). Blais, would be nice to see that but he isn't going to, he is close to riding off into the sunset. Eades, maybe but I think there are some underlying issues (speculating so don't take it serious) that UND wants to stay away from. Tippett is unrealistic. And I you are whining about Hak's postseason record take a look at how this guy has done. His teams have gotten swept in 7 a game series multiple times. Imagine how he would fair in one-and-done formats. Sandelin wouldn't leave the comfort of UMD even though he played here. He is comfortable there and has job security. Plus only 5 tourney appearances in 15 years? And Duluth isn't exactly a little-sister of the poor when it comes to hockey. Blais would be awesome to get back but it's just not gonna happen. You might as well hold out hope for Gino or the ghost of Herb Brooks. Eades would be realistic but he doesn't exactly have the best playoff record either. Plus if you want to move away from Hak do you really want to replace him with a guy that spent most of his time as a coach under Hak's system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 So is college basketball. And college football. And the NFL for that matter. I don't hear the "one and done" excuse used in those sports. So why are we using it?IMHO, in football and basketball the pace is slower, there are more time outs, there is more coaching input, the fast paced dynamic of hockey leans toward conditioned responses and effort along with recognition (hockey sense)Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Eades did a pretty good job rebuilding Sioux Falls Eades got canned for cirCUMstamces out of his control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OshieRoll Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Crickets chirping...... )new fav expression( That's my gift to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Eades did a pretty good job rebuilding Sioux Falls Eades got canned for cirCUMstamces out of his control Ha....I think he had control.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What about Hrkac, Troy Murray, Jason Blake?just spitballing,I seem to recall some where that great players don't make great coachs, Gretzky vs. that Detroit coach, who I recall play Canadian college, so not calling him a great player may me look the fool, but looking like a fool on an internet forum is all the craze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OshieRoll Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Eades did a pretty good job rebuilding Sioux Falls Eades got canned for cirCUMstamces out of his control Yeah, but why would you replace a guy you fired with one of his former assistants and mentees? That's like firing Belichick and replacing him with Josh McDaniels... And no I'm not comparing Hak to Bellichick... It's just the only example I could come up with that everyone would know who the assistant was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hrkac doesn't appeal to me Now Blake appeals to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Hockey Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hrkac doesn't appeal to me Now Blake appeals to me Blake, Really? The same guy that had teammates that couldn't stand him! Sorry, but you missed the dart board completely on that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Didn't Nick Saban use that excuse? (honest question) I cannot speak to that point because I didn't hear him say it. But it might have happened. I don't have time to search right now, but maybe someone can Google Nick Saban and find out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 IMHO, in football and basketball the pace is slower, there are more time outs, there is more coaching input, the fast paced dynamic of hockey leans toward conditioned responses and effort along with recognition (hockey sense) Your thoughts? Careful 90siouxfan, I got skewered here for such talk...and I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I would be willing to bet Tippet doesn't step down to the college ranks (I know I know, Andy Murray did) but Tippet is a better coach than Murray. Sandy, PLEASE (if you base his whole coaching resume off of one title than you obviously don't know hockey). Blais, would be nice to see that but he isn't going to, he is close to riding off into the sunset. Eades, maybe but I think there are some underlying issues (speculating so don't take it serious) that UND wants to stay away from. Hold your horses bud. Murray was a decent coach. Anyways, you're right Tippet isn't anywhere near ready to walk away from the pro game yet. I just read on Twitter that he isn't getting fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hold your horses bud. Murray was a decent coach. Anyways, you're right Tippet isn't anywhere near ready to walk away from the pro game yet. I just read on Twitter that he isn't getting fired. I never said Murray was a bad coach, I just said that Tippet was/is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What's an nhl coach make per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What's an nhl coach make per year Of the ones listed over $1 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I never said Murray was a bad coach, I just said that Tippet was/is better. Based on what comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 What's an nhl coach make per year Way more than what UND would/could pay. There are a lot of reasons a coach will go from the NHL but money is always up there on the list of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Based on what comparison Look at their overall body of work and compare the two (I threw out Tippets IHL championship). Tippet consistently got his teams to the playoffs, especially the Coyotes and all the turmoil they have gone through over the years. That's why I think Tippet is better than Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Look at their overall body of work and compare the two (I threw out Tippets IHL championship). Tippet consistently got his teams to the playoffs, especially the Coyotes and all the turmoil they have gone through over the years. That's why I think Tippet is better than Murray. Fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Fair. It's just my opinion but I think Tippet is more of an NHL coach and Murray is a college coach. It seems like Murray is wired to mentor and coach younger players rather than put up with egos at the NHL level... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OshieRoll Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Of the ones listed over $1 million. Tippett was listed in the top 5 for NHL based on the list I saw. Yeo makes about $1 million Babcock makes about $2 but is about to make northwards of $4 I saw Gretzky was making over $8 million when he was coach/GM The figure I see for Hak is $435,000 with max bonuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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