UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[Gothmog]

15 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Go speculate where you can tell the difference!

Did you really mean to imply that it's difficult to "tell the difference" between facts and speculation on this message board?

 

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I've heard something similar to that recently somewhere ... 

In Idaho's  case, a Ada County (Boise) Vandal booster wanted to donate like $2.5 million for the Vandals to stay FBS.  President Staben didn't respond to his email.  Another booster reportedly dropped Idaho athletics from receiving  $20 million from his will.

Imagine that are very few people that know about an FBS Big Sky plan.  Probably limited to the President, the AD, and the Foundation director.  Having a thread like this probably turned Kelley and the state board against Carlson Zink, who I've never been in contact with, so she was shut out of the committee selecting the new president.  

Faison wanted baseball dead earlier is my bet as it reduces the Title IX and financial impact of of FBS, but Kelley likely vetoed that.

[SiouxVolley]

Think the Big Sky will change its headquarters to Denver, near where the WAC HQ are.  Much better for flights and media exposure and business dealings.  The new Commish will insist upon it.

The WAC may move to Phoenix, if it doesn't co-locate with the Big Sky.

[SiouxVolley]

There has been a report released by Collegiate Consultants whch was paid by Idaho.  In the released report, it says that the WAC can still be an FBS conference and invite new FBS teams.  The WAC compliance office verified that the the NCAA. This is major news.

The report says the following can be future FBS teams can be in a new WAC:

North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Montana St, Idaho, NMSU, Cal Poly, and NAU.

The WAC and Big Sky can essentially swap members.

It's available on

www.uidaho.edu/president

[SiouxVolley]

The report also said NDSU and SDSU would prefer to stay in the MVFC as they believe that they will get eventual full membership in the  MVC.

[SiouxVolley]

So now it will be debated on Big Sky campuses if they can go FBS or stay FCS.

Fullerton's position ends July 1st, which is also the date of conference changes.

We need a major donation to go FBS.

[SiouxVolley]

The NCAA has ruled that the WAC can still invite FCS teams to FBS under bylaw 20.4.2.1.1

 

The bizon trolls can complain to the NCAA all they want, but UND can be FBS!!!! 

[bison73]

4 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

The NCAA has ruled that the WAC can still invite FCS teams to FBS under bylaw 20.4.2.1.1

 

The bizon trolls can complain to the NCAA all they want, but UND can be FBS!!!! 

 You make no sense.  Nobody said you couldnt go FBS with an invite. 

[SiouxVolley]

9 minutes ago, bison73 said:

 You make no sense.  Nobody said you couldnt go FBS with an invite. 

You've made nearly a million troll comments and they have all been absurd.

UND is getting an FBS invite from the WAC, as are much of the Big Sky.  The bulk of the Big Sky will go FBS, which you and your troll buds have been arguing against since this thread started.

[bison73]

34 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

You've made nearly a million troll comments and they have all been absurd.

UND is getting an FBS invite from the WAC, as are much of the Big Sky.  The bulk of the Big Sky will go FBS, which you and your troll buds have been arguing against since this thread started.

Your exaggerations in this matter is what is absurd. Considering your money problems---- where are you going to get the money?  Oh wait---when is this invitation going to arrive?

[darell1976]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

There has been a report released by Collegiate Consultants whch was paid by Idaho.  In the released report, it says that the WAC can still be an FBS conference and invite new FBS teams.  The WAC compliance office verified that the the NCAA. This is major news.

The report says the following can be future FBS teams can be in a new WAC:

North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Montana St, Idaho, NMSU, Cal Poly, and NAU.

The WAC and Big Sky can essentially swap members.

It's available on

www.uidaho.edu/president

Can South Dakota afford to move up? Also is this a football only move or will all our sports be in the WAC?

[dmksioux]

Wow, it appears as though StarVolley is correct.  Pages 61-62 are particularly interesting.  It appears the option is there.  Hopefully UND can position itself financially if the FBS option presents itself.  

Also interesting that NDSU and SDSU are not interested as they believe they will be getting an invite to the MVC.

[Herd]

If I'm a member of the ncaa, the move by Idaho from the FBS to the FCS level is an outstanding precident.   It finally opens the door for other bottom of the barrel FBS teams to move back to where they really belong, at the FCS level.   This is a great day for the ncaa, Idaho has opened the door downward so hopefully more will follow.  

If im the ncaa, the last thing I would allow or change the rules for is for the conference that Idaho just joined to all move back to the FBS where none of them belong.  Sorry, the last thing the ncaa and P5 would do is change a rule that would allow entire FCS conferences to goto where they don't belong.  

 

[Nodak78]

33 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

Wow, it appears as though StarVolley is correct.  Pages 61-62 are particularly interesting.  It appears the option is there.  Hopefully UND can position itself financially if the FBS option presents itself.  

Also interesting that NDSU and SDSU are not interested as they believe they will be getting an invite to the MVC.

based on the SWOT analyses that is the direction Idaho is going.  Some members in Big Sky are not happy.  With the new Commish from the B1G it appears this is fast moving as NM St. will soon become a member.  The new BigSky/WAC would rival the MWC quickly.

[dmksioux]

25 minutes ago, Herd said:

If I'm a member of the ncaa, the move by Idaho from the FBS to the FCS level is an outstanding precident.   It finally opens the door for other bottom of the barrel FBS teams to move back to where they really belong, at the FCS level.   This is a great day for the ncaa, Idaho has opened the door downward so hopefully more will follow.  

If im the ncaa, the last thing I would allow or change the rules for is for the conference that Idaho just joined to all move back to the FBS where none of them belong.  Sorry, the last thing the ncaa and P5 would do is change a rule that would allow entire FCS conferences to goto where they don't belong.  

 

Did you read the Idaho study that is linked?  It says the NCAA has confirmed that the WAC still has FBS status.  The question is will there be some type of merger and the schools involved.  Both UND and USD are listed as going the FBS route.  Obviously a lot has to happen financially for that to occur...or maybe there is some behind the scenes stuff taking place. Who knows?  All we really know is that SV's theory seems more valid now than it did last week...at least in my eyes.

[UND1983]

59 minutes ago, Herd said:

If I'm a member of the ncaa, the move by Idaho from the FBS to the FCS level is an outstanding precident.   It finally opens the door for other bottom of the barrel FBS teams to move back to where they really belong, at the FCS level.   This is a great day for the ncaa, Idaho has opened the door downward so hopefully more will follow.  

If im the ncaa, the last thing I would allow or change the rules for is for the conference that Idaho just joined to all move back to the FBS where none of them belong.  Sorry, the last thing the ncaa and P5 would do is change a rule that would allow entire FCS conferences to goto where they don't belong.  

 

You sound worried more than definite.

[darell1976]

1 hour ago, Herd said:

If I'm a member of the ncaa, the move by Idaho from the FBS to the FCS level is an outstanding precident.   It finally opens the door for other bottom of the barrel FBS teams to move back to where they really belong, at the FCS level.   This is a great day for the ncaa, Idaho has opened the door downward so hopefully more will follow.  

If im the ncaa, the last thing I would allow or change the rules for is for the conference that Idaho just joined to all move back to the FBS where none of them belong.  Sorry, the last thing the ncaa and P5 would do is change a rule that would allow entire FCS conferences to goto where they don't belong.  

 

Good thing you aren't the NCAA instead a Bison fan who may be left cheering for a team dreaming of the MVC which their own fan board laughed at that idea of a Dakota team joining them. 

[The Sicatoka]

Where are you guys finding this report?  Nevermind, Found it.

[dmksioux]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Where are you guys finding this report? 

http://www.uidaho.edu/~/media/UIdaho-Responsive/Files/presidents-office/idaho-report-final.ashx

[UND1983]

38 minutes ago, darell1976 said:

Good thing you aren't the NCAA instead a Bison fan who may be left cheering for a team dreaming of the MVC which their own fan board laughed at that idea of a Dakota team joining them. 

The thing is by the time it might happen the MVC will look nothing like it does today.  Wichita already is trying to get out and they are the class of the league.  UNI isn't going to be far behind if they keep this pace up.  

[NDSU grad]

So if the WAC can indefinitely exist as an FBS conference, can other defunct DI conferences do the same?

[darell1976]

Just now, UND1983 said:

The thing is by the time it might happen the MVC will look nothing like it does today.  Wichita already is trying to get out and they are the class of the league.  UNI isn't going to be far behind if they keep this pace up.  

Except NDSU football and NDSU basketball is two different things. Plus can NDSU split from SDSU if SDSU cannot move without USD? And what if the MVC wants SDSU and USD but not NDSU? Lots could happen, maybe the Bison can catch a break and get in, but the way the fans were mocking and laughing at them compared to having SDSU join it doesn't look good.

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, NDSU grad said:

So if the WAC can indefinitely exist as an FBS conference, can other defunct DI conferences do the same?

(Pure speculation by me) But the WAC maintained a pulse. Conferences that don't do that probably can't (see: now defunct Southwest Conference). 

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

based on the SWOT analyses that is the direction Idaho is going.  Some members in Big Sky are not happy.  With the new Commish from the B1G it appears this is fast moving as NM St. will soon become a member. The new BigSky/WAC would rival the MWC quickly.

Not really...the MWC was just an upgraded WAC.  That wouldn't change.

[darell1976]

Just now, JohnboyND7 said:

Not really...the MWC was just an upgraded WAC.  That wouldn't change.

And Idaho still couldn't get in.