UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[Hayduke]

Wyoming's ability to stay FBS

http://www.wyosports...er-comment-area

Comparing Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana's football programs

http://www.wyosports...1a4bcf887a.html

That's an editorial from someone working at the Boomerang in Laramie. He has a major woody trying to get UW to drop to FCS.

Sorry, Bobby boy..but UW didn't pay Bohl 1.5 mil so they could drop down. Only retarded common criminals that went to the University of Agriculture and Applied science and are stuck selling airtime for fourth rate stations in small market would believe that noise...

[SiouxVolley]

That's an editorial from someone working at the Boomerang in Laramie. He has a major woody trying to get UW to drop to FCS.

Sorry, Bobby boy..but UW didn't pay Bohl 1.5 mil so they could drop down. Only retarded common criminals that went to the University of Agriculture and Applied science and are stuck selling airtime for fourth rate stations in small market would believe that noise...

Never ever claimed that Wyo would drop to FCS. They'll fight tooth and nail to stay FBS.

What this writer did claim is that Idaho and Montana are similar to Wyoming's ability to field FBS teams. He had interesting quotes from Haslam and Spears.

If Idaho can be FBS, UND is surely in the ballpark for FBS.

[darell1976]

Griz working on some projects before the 2017 season, much as I predicted if that is the Big Sky transiton to FBS season.

http://m.billingsgaz...bile_touch=true

EWU, UC Davis, Cal Poly and UND need to announce expanded stadiums.

So by 2017 UND would either need to blow the roof off the Alerus and add another level or expand Memorial Stadium to reach 15,000. Sounds like a tall order in a short period of time. Unless a major football donor comes out and helps, it won't happen.

[Hayduke]

Never ever claimed that Wyo would drop to FCS. They'll fight tooth and nail to stay FBS.

What this writer did claim is that Idaho and Montana are similar to Wyoming's ability to field FBS teams. He had interesting quotes from Haslam and Spears.

If Idaho can be FBS, UND is surely in the ballpark for FBS.

In this one editorial piece he never did. But, bringing up the discussion of dropping down seems to be Bobby's agenda.

http://www.laramiebo...ad256342987.txt

To even bring up the discussion of dropping down reeks of stupidity.

[SiouxVolley]

In this one editorial piece he never did. But, bringing up the discussion of dropping down seems to be Bobby's agenda.

http://www.laramiebo...ad256342987.txt

To even bring up the discussion of dropping down reeks of stupidity.

Wyoming will never get in a Power 5 conference. If Wyoming is forced down to a G5 level - Wyo's football level needs to be in discussion, but not FCS.

I never brought up that editorial: you did. Do you reek of stupidity?

[mg2009]

Some speculation has centered around Big Sky football programs looking for a way into the FBS, but when asked what he’s heard on that front, Spear responded: “Nothing.”

so can we end this inane little mental excursion yet or is this going to keep being the Happy-Time Imagination Land for the foreseeable future?

[SiouxVolley]

so can we end this inane little mental excursion yet or is this going to keep being the Happy-Time Imagination Land for the foreseeable future?

You can quit coming to Siouxsports. As a bison fan, you have issues with everybody here.

Spears knew nothing about Idaho's short stay in the Sun Belt. IT wasn't til the letter I released that he fessed up. He wasn't telling the truth before so you expect him to fess up now?

The Big Sky released schedules after 2016 that don't have Idaho on them. But Idaho will part of Big Sky football by 2018 at the latest.

[mg2009]

You can quit coming to Siouxsports. As a bison fan, you have issues with everybody here.

Spears knew nothing about Idaho's short stay in the Sun Belt. IT wasn't til the letter I released that he fessed up. He wasn't telling the truth before so you expect him to fess up now?

The Big Sky released schedules after 2016 that don't have Idaho on them. But Idaho will part of Big Sky football by 2018 at the latest.

you're an idiot. Sorry that my loyalty to my university is less than my loyalty to sense and reason. You have yet to provide any evidence and all the involved parties view this as absurd. Remember when you got laughed off the sunbelt board after you brought this little scheme to their attention?

Your deranged ramblings are detrimental to the university, please have some self respect and stop this nonsense.

Idaho may very well end up back in the big sky for football, but it won't be because of some crazy scheme to take UNC, NAU and Weber State to the highest level of football. In fact I don't think anyone would be surprised if they eventually were forced back down, even if it's fairly unlikely in the near term. Montana is in the middle of an existential crisis and you think they are imminently reclassifying. Ridiculous.

[SiouxVolley]

you're an idiot. Sorry that my loyalty to my university is less than my loyalty to sense and reason. You have yet to provide any evidence and all the involved parties view this as absurd. Remember when you got laughed off the sunbelt board after you brought this little scheme to their attention?

Your deranged ramblings are detrimental to the university, please have some self respect and stop this nonsense.

Idaho may very well end up back in the big sky for football, but it won't be because of some crazy scheme to take UNC, NAU and Weber State to the highest level of football. In fact I don't think anyone would be surprised if they eventually were forced back down, even if it's fairly unlikely in the near term. Montana is in the middle of an existential crisis and you think they are imminently reclassifying. Ridiculous.

In two years the idiocy in your words will be self evident.

Personal attacks are contrary to board policy.

[mg2009]

In two years the idiocy in your words will be self evident.

Personal attacks are contrary to board policy.

What exactly have you been right about so far? Anything? Maybe you'll get bailed out by unforeseen events, but right now you are grasping at straws that don't even exist.

Why weave this little narrative of your's together, that's what I don't understand.

[SiouxVolley]

What exactly have you been right about so far? Anything? Maybe you'll get bailed out by unforeseen events, but right now you are grasping at straws that don't even exist.

Why weave this little narrative of your's together, that's what I don't understand.

You'll never understand because you don't want to understand.

Was in Richmond, Ky last week, which is the home of EKU. EKU is making noise about going FBS. EKU has 14,500 students on campus and has lesser athletics facilties than UND. You laugh at UND moving FBS, but a school like EKU can move to FBS without a peep from you. EKU has a stadium that seats less the 10K. It would have to duplicate the home side stands on the visitor side to make a 15k stadium. Yet the Sun Belt seriously is considering them if they expand their stadium. WKU did the same thing. Richmond is only about 20 miles from Lexington and UK. UK dominates the media there. EKU has to find their niche, wants to stay with the big boys, and wants the million dollar bonus the Sun Belt will give to all football teams from the college football playoffs.

http://www.courier-j...TS12/312050091/

Even if EKU upgrades the stadium to two sides, UND will be much more impressive athletically and academically that EKU. Somehow UND isn't supposed to dream FBS but EKU is?

So you are going on record that no Big Sky team will ever be FBS? That the Big Sky will not have eight FBS teams in the future?

[Bison Dan]

You'll never understand because you don't want to understand.

Was in Richmond, Ky last week, which is the home of EKU. EKU is making noise about going FBS. EKU has 14,500 students on campus and has lesser athletics facilties than UND. You laugh at UND moving FBS, but a school like EKU can move to FBS without a peep from you. EKU has a stadium that seats less the 10K. It would have to duplicate the home side stands on the visitor side to make a 15k stadium. Yet the Sun Belt seriously is considering them if they expand their stadium. WKU did the same thing. Richmond is only about 20 miles from Lexington and UK. UK dominates the media there. EKU has to find their niche, wants to stay with the big boys, and wants the million dollar bonus the Sun Belt will give to all football teams from the college football playoffs.

http://www.courier-j...TS12/312050091/

Even if EKU upgrades the stadium to two sides, UND will be much more impressive athletically and academically that EKU. Somehow UND isn't supposed to dream FBS but EKU is?

So you are going on record that no Big Sky team will ever be FBS? That the Big Sky will not have eight FBS teams in the future?

UND lost money last year and it will be interesting what they show this year. Money talks and BS walks. So far this is all BS.

[FSSD]

UND lost money last year and it will be interesting what they show this year. Money talks and BS walks. So far this is all BS.

No FCS schools actually make money... they are all supported by fees and school money. UND and NDSU are two of the best supported schools at the FCS level.

[UNDColorado]

Wouldn't UND paying $1,000,000 (or whatever it was) for the new turf play a part in the deficit that was reported last year?

[jdub27]

Wouldn't UND paying $1,000,000 (or whatever it was) for the new turf play a part in the deficit that was reported last year?

Leave things like actual facts out of this argument! It doesn't sound as good when you actual explain something as unscientific as college athletics accounting.

[Bison Dan]

Leave things like actual facts out of this argument! It doesn't sound as good when you actual explain something as unscientific as college athletics accounting.

We'll lets see what this year brings. They sure didn't make any money from fb ticket sales......

[darell1976]

We'll lets see what this year brings. They sure didn't make any money from fb ticket sales......

But made more on basketball and volleyball sales than the previous year. They did have more than 800 fans for women's basketball unlike some schools.

[CMSioux]

Buttfootball - but FU found money to overpay the new women's bb coach - how were ticket sales the last few years - UND averaged more than 800 per game. On an average home game Saturday in the fall UND sells 20,000 tickets (think about it you'll figure it out).

[UNDColorado]

We'll lets see what this year brings. They sure didn't make any money from fb ticket sales......

I know this may go over your head but you just inadvertently admitted you were wrong and you still try to spin it. Just give up while you are behind...wait never mind, your idiotic statements are entertaining. Carry on.

[jdub27]

We'll lets see what this year brings. They sure didn't make any money from fb ticket sales......

UND broke even in 2012-2013. I'm not sure why you keep trying to hang your hat on college athletic accounting, with all the moving parts and different sources of revenue, it means very little.

[SiouxVolley]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-x7QJIbuy1j6_uZ7gVeel_g&AID=10709313&PID=6146927&SID=mog1rtu2y0m6

Sun Belt Conference Football Schools

Rank School Revenue Expenses Contribution %

#72 . . NMSU . . $30.1M . . $28.5M . . $19.7M . . 65.3%

#74 . . TxSt . . $29.8M . . $27.7M . . $21.0M . . 70.7%

#91 . . GSU . . $26.7M . . $27.3M . . $22.6M . . 84.6%

#114 . . USA . . $21.1M . . $19.8M . . $16.5M . . 78.3%

#118 . . ASU . . $19.8M . . $21.4M . . $10.3M . . 52.3%

#119 . . Idaho . . $19.6M . . $19.7M . . $9.3M . . 47.4%

#120 . . Troy . . $19.5M . . $19.5M . . $12.9M . . 65.9%

#127 . . UL . . $18.1M . . $18.6M . . $7.7M . . 42.4%

#131 . . stAte . . $16.3M . . $16.3M . . $9.3M . . 57.3%

#158 . . GaSo . . $13.2M . . $13.2M . . $8.3M . . 63.0%

#187 . . ULM . . $11.2M . . $11.4M . . $4.1M . . 36.5%

82. *UC-Davis, $28.2 M, 79 %

111. North Dakota, $22.1 M, 49.5 %

115. *Cal Poly, $21 M, 76 %

117. Montana, $20 M, 43 %

119. ~Idaho, $19.5 M, 47.4 %

121. Sac State, $19.4 M, 78 %

128. Montana State, $17.9 M, 58%

154. Portland State, $13.4 M, 72

161. Northern Arizona, $12.8 M, 74 %

170. Weber State, $12.3 M, 66 %

171. Northern Colorado, $12.2 M, 68 %

177. Idaho State, $11.7 M, 64 %

181. Eastern Washington, $11.4 M, 72 %

189. Southern Utah, $11.1 M, 75 %

*--Football only members

~Members in all sports but football.

The Big Sky compares favorably in revenues to Sun Belt and MAC schools but yet is FCS. Going FBS isn't that much of a stretch, if some stadiums can be brought up to 18-20,000.

[SiouxVolley]

The Mid-American Conference has comparable revenues to top Big Sky football schools too.

Mid-American Conference

77) Miami University-Oxford - $28,955,007

79) University at Buffalo - $28,661,287

) University of Massachusetts Amherst - $28,659,514

04.) Central Michigan University - $27,680,624

05.) Ohio University - $27,265,061

06.) University of Akron - $26,479,926

07.) Kent State University at Kent - $25,871,038

08.) Western Michigan University - $25,458,301

09.) University of Toledo - $23,654,142

10.) Ball State University - $22,644,535

11.) Northern Illinois University - $22,552,032

12.) Eastern Michigan University - $21,904,183

13.) Bowling Green State University - $20,643,645

[Hayduke]

Look!

Look at that flash of light!

Why it's sweet baby Jesus coming down from Heaven to bless the Big Sky Conference into FBS football!

No...wait... It's actually just another crack addict lighting up a bowl.

Now, can somebody kill this thread already... It's just the UND version of a third rate criminal salesman in a third rate market selling for a third rate station trying to get people to believe that the College of Home Economics is joining the Mountain West Conference...

[Herd]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-x7QJIbuy1j6_uZ7gVeel_g&AID=10709313&PID=6146927&SID=mog1rtu2y0m6

Sun Belt Conference Football Schools

Rank School Revenue Expenses Contribution %

#72 . . NMSU . . $30.1M . . $28.5M . . $19.7M . . 65.3%

#74 . . TxSt . . $29.8M . . $27.7M . . $21.0M . . 70.7%

#91 . . GSU . . $26.7M . . $27.3M . . $22.6M . . 84.6%

#114 . . USA . . $21.1M . . $19.8M . . $16.5M . . 78.3%

#118 . . ASU . . $19.8M . . $21.4M . . $10.3M . . 52.3%

#119 . . Idaho . . $19.6M . . $19.7M . . $9.3M . . 47.4%

#120 . . Troy . . $19.5M . . $19.5M . . $12.9M . . 65.9%

#127 . . UL . . $18.1M . . $18.6M . . $7.7M . . 42.4%

#131 . . stAte . . $16.3M . . $16.3M . . $9.3M . . 57.3%

#158 . . GaSo . . $13.2M . . $13.2M . . $8.3M . . 63.0%

#187 . . ULM . . $11.2M . . $11.4M . . $4.1M . . 36.5%

82. *UC-Davis, $28.2 M, 79 %

111. North Dakota, $22.1 M, 49.5 %

115. *Cal Poly, $21 M, 76 %

117. Montana, $20 M, 43 %

119. ~Idaho, $19.5 M, 47.4 %

121. Sac State, $19.4 M, 78 %

128. Montana State, $17.9 M, 58%

154. Portland State, $13.4 M, 72

161. Northern Arizona, $12.8 M, 74 %

170. Weber State, $12.3 M, 66 %

171. Northern Colorado, $12.2 M, 68 %

177. Idaho State, $11.7 M, 64 %

181. Eastern Washington, $11.4 M, 72 %

189. Southern Utah, $11.1 M, 75 %

*--Football only members

~Members in all sports but football.

The Big Sky compares favorably in revenues to Sun Belt and MAC schools but yet is FCS. Going FBS isn't that much of a stretch, if some stadiums can be brought up to 18-20,000.

Except for tiny little fact that entire conferences are strictly prohibited from moving FBS. You have to join an existing conferece! There is no way in hell that any FCS conferece moves FBS. But you refuse to understand this overwhelming fact. And as for your suggestion That the BS will use the Sunbelt to do it, well someone's been in the liquor cabinet without permission.

[Herd]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-x7QJIbuy1j6_uZ7gVeel_g&AID=10709313&PID=6146927&SID=mog1rtu2y0m6

Sun Belt Conference Football Schools

Rank School Revenue Expenses Contribution %

#72 . . NMSU . . $30.1M . . $28.5M . . $19.7M . . 65.3%

#74 . . TxSt . . $29.8M . . $27.7M . . $21.0M . . 70.7%

#91 . . GSU . . $26.7M . . $27.3M . . $22.6M . . 84.6%

#114 . . USA . . $21.1M . . $19.8M . . $16.5M . . 78.3%

#118 . . ASU . . $19.8M . . $21.4M . . $10.3M . . 52.3%

#119 . . Idaho . . $19.6M . . $19.7M . . $9.3M . . 47.4%

#120 . . Troy . . $19.5M . . $19.5M . . $12.9M . . 65.9%

#127 . . UL . . $18.1M . . $18.6M . . $7.7M . . 42.4%

#131 . . stAte . . $16.3M . . $16.3M . . $9.3M . . 57.3%

#158 . . GaSo . . $13.2M . . $13.2M . . $8.3M . . 63.0%

#187 . . ULM . . $11.2M . . $11.4M . . $4.1M . . 36.5%

82. *UC-Davis, $28.2 M, 79 %

111. North Dakota, $22.1 M, 49.5 %

115. *Cal Poly, $21 M, 76 %

117. Montana, $20 M, 43 %

119. ~Idaho, $19.5 M, 47.4 %

121. Sac State, $19.4 M, 78 %

128. Montana State, $17.9 M, 58%

154. Portland State, $13.4 M, 72

161. Northern Arizona, $12.8 M, 74 %

170. Weber State, $12.3 M, 66 %

171. Northern Colorado, $12.2 M, 68 %

177. Idaho State, $11.7 M, 64 %

181. Eastern Washington, $11.4 M, 72 %

189. Southern Utah, $11.1 M, 75 %

*--Football only members

~Members in all sports but football.

The Big Sky compares favorably in revenues to Sun Belt and MAC schools but yet is FCS. Going FBS isn't that much of a stretch, if some stadiums can be brought up to 18-20,000.

Also, hockey is a non factor when comparing budgets to the Sunbelt. Unds contribution to that comparison would be $22 - hockey = X. And yes, lots of FCS conferences compare to the Sunbelt, but that doesn't allow them to play 85 scholarship FB.