sioux rube Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 some of you UND fans are PATHETIC!!! How bout them Cornhuskers. Woohoo!!!!!!
Herd Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 We will see what goes away. But there is a pretty good chance that none of the 10 football players will walk away without some penalties. And they may have eliminated a chance of working in some industries. I would hardly classify class A misdemeanors, voter fraud and forging signatures as "boys being boys". That same act could be reclassified as a felony during the next legislative session. Hazing of any kind also isn't "boys being boys". And most of this board agreed that whatever happened with the hockey team was wrong and stupid. Too bad that so many of your Bville pals don't respect the law. I guess that's a perfect fit for the attitudes of the football team and the athletic department, "if it doesn't involve sex or violence then it isn't serious". It is a large group of people with an employer who is partly responsible, for which charges like this likely won't stick. They will likely get a 1 game suspension as I have said before,just so people like you are shut up. You are starting to sound like a whiny little girl. I'd say let it rest.
82SiouxGuy Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 It is a large group of people with an employer who is partly responsible, for which charges like this likely won't stick. They will likely get a 1 game suspension as I have said before,just so people like you are shut up. You are starting to sound like a whiny little girl. I'd say let it rest. You're the one that brought this thread back, to try and brag about how wonderful your favorite football team is. Your shallowness, your term, brought you to an old rivals fan forum to try and rub it in in some way, although I'm not sure what you're trying to rub in. I'm also not sure how shallow you have to be to feel better about yourself by doing this. But thank you for reminding all of us about the 10 football players from NDSU that are facing their first day in court on Tuesday. I'm sure that we will hear a lot more about these criminals next week. And I wouldn't bet the farm that the charges won't stick. I don't think the Attorney General and the Secretary of State would have gotten involved if they didn't plan to actually prosecute. Remember, stupidity is no excuse for breaking the law, not even mass stupidity. 2
homer Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 It is a large group of people with an employer who is partly responsible, for which charges like this likely won't stick. They will likely get a 1 game suspension as I have said before,just so people like you are shut up. You are starting to sound like a whiny little girl. I'd say let it rest. I wish I could blame my employer if I was lazy and screwed up at my job and that would be acceptable as "boys being boys". What did you think was going to happen when you resurrected this thread with your post. I think you should have let it rest until Tuesday. 2
ScottM Posted September 30, 2012 Posted September 30, 2012 Maybe I'm shallow, but . . . "Just win baby"! With a good lawyer that other thing will go away, much to your dismay. Boys being boys, kinda like hazing at hocking parties. What's a "hocking party"? Is that an 'su tradition, sort of like your annual hogcoming festivities? Or were you so enraptured by the petty criminals on your team, and their "street cred", that you lost your sense of spelling?
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Court day today!! http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/246126/
darell1976 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 Court day today!! http://www.grandfork...icle/id/246126/ Lee Ann Oliver, an election specialist with the North Dakota Secretary of State’s Office, has said it is illegal to pay petition circulators per signature gathered. Less clear, Oliver said, is whether that prohibition extends to a quota system. So is the companies at fault along with the NDSU players?
ScottM Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 So is the companies at fault along with the NDSU players? It's going to be interesting. Bruce is a very good lawyer. It's possible they'll cop pleas with a deferred or suspended sentence for their own indvidual actions, and perhaps give testimony that might implicate the company in a later case.
The Sicatoka Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 I can make you a business offer, like an offer of employment, that includes a legal and an illegal option. You have three choices: - do the legal thing - do the illegal thing - not do business with me at all
darell1976 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 I can make you a business offer, like an offer of employment, that includes a legal and an illegal option. You have three choices: - do the legal thing - do the illegal thing - not do business with me at all But Sic they (NDSU football players) are the victims. Its not like this was an alcohol or sexual offense. 1
IrishSiouxFan Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 “They were never informed about the potential fall out (sic) or criminal charges by the company,” Bohl wrote. So Bohl's justification for not suspending his players is that no one told them that identity theft and election fraud was wrong??? I'm not trying to beat up on NDSU, but if UND was accused of this I would be embarrassed if the institution took no disciplinary action. No accountability down South. 1
darell1976 Posted October 2, 2012 Author Posted October 2, 2012 “They were never informed about the potential fall out (sic) or criminal charges by the company,” Bohl wrote. So Bohl's justification for not suspending his players is that no one told them that identity theft and election fraud was wrong??? I'm not trying to beat up on NDSU, but if UND was accused of this I would be embarrassed if the institution took no disciplinary action. No accountability down South. It will catch up to them. The NCAA can only look the other way for so long.
CMSioux Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Oh but they are handing it "internally" - I heard it's no TV for a week. Wonder if the NCAA has been made aware of this, perhaps an investigation is neccessary to find out if they were hired specifically because they were su football players - if that is the case there might be an NCAA violation here.
ScottM Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Oh but they are handing it "internally" - I heard it's no TV for a week. Wonder if the NCAA has been made aware of this, perhaps an investigation is neccessary to find out if they were hired specifically because they were su football players - if that is the case there might be an NCAA violation here. That raises a good question. Did Bohl or anybody else in the 'su administration help the players get these "jobs"? The NC$$ has looked at "no-show"-type jobs at various programs where the players were paid, but didn't really do anything, in the past. it would be interesting to see those emails before and after the arrests ...
The Sicatoka Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 So Bohl's justification for not suspending his players is that no one told them that identity theft and election fraud was wrong??? They didn't know that fraud and signing someone else's name is not only wrong but illegal? If they'll do that on legal documents (like petitions and affidavits) it makes you wonder where else those college students may have done it.
dmksioux Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 “They were never informed about the potential fall out (sic) or criminal charges by the company,” Bohl wrote. So Bohl's justification for not suspending his players is that no one told them that identity theft and election fraud was wrong??? I'm not trying to beat up on NDSU, but if UND was accused of this I would be embarrassed if the institution took no disciplinary action. No accountability down South. I don't understand this statement by Bohl. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't each petition have a 'validity paragraph' saying that each name on the petition is legit and accurate to the best of the petition gatherer's knowledge or something to that effect? So what if the company didn't individually tell each of their "employees" that forgery is illegal. Common sense should tell you that as well as the paragraph that they sign verifying that each signature is legit/accurate.
IrishSiouxFan Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 They didn't know that fraud and signing someone else's name is not only wrong but illegal? If they'll do that on legal documents (like petitions and affidavits) it makes you wonder where else those college students may have done it. We're not likely to ever know, seeing as how keen NDSU is to look into the matter and take action.
82SiouxGuy Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 I don't understand this statement by Bohl. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't each petition have a 'validity paragraph' saying that each name on the petition is legit and accurate to the best of the petition gatherer's knowledge or something to that effect? So what if the company didn't individually tell each of their "employees" that forgery is illegal. Common sense should tell you that as well as the paragraph that they sign verifying that each signature is legit/accurate. This is the sample language for petitions (the format isn't quite accurate). It states that the person circulating the petition witnessed the signature, that they believe the people signing were qualified electors, and that it is a genuine signature. I'm not sure why Bohl or anyone else would bring up whether the company told the players that they couldn't just write down names. It is on the form that the signatures collected have to be genuine signatures. State of North Dakota ) ) ss. County of _________________ ) (county where signed) I, ____________________, being sworn, say that I am a qualified elector; that I reside at __________________; (circulator) (address) that each signature contained on the attached petition was executed in my presence; and that to the best of my knowledge and belief each individual whose signature appears on the attached petition is a qualified elector; and that each signature contained on the attached petition is the genuine signature of the individual whose name it purports to be. __________________________________________ ( signature of circulator )
CMSioux Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Hopefully the judge will see through this also.
dmksioux Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 This is the sample language for petitions (the format isn't quite accurate). It states that the person circulating the petition witnessed the signature, that they believe the people signing were qualified electors, and that it is a genuine signature. I'm not sure why Bohl or anyone else would bring up whether the company told the players that they couldn't just write down names. It is on the form that the signatures collected have to be genuine signatures. Thanks...sound like this might be a "preposterous statement" made by Bohl.
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Oh but they are handing it "internally" - I heard it's no TV for a week. Wonder if the NCAA has been made aware of this, perhaps an investigation is neccessary to find out if they were hired specifically because they were su football players - if that is the case there might be an NCAA violation here. There is no doubt that these guys were "hired" because they were NDSU football players. Who is going to have a better chance of people coming up to them at West Acres......me or Sam Ojuri. These guys are very recognizable, especially if they were wearing NDSU clothing. It is the reason that they were chosen to get these signutures. They have a greater chance to get somone to come talk to them and get them to sign the petitions. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA gets involved. They ar possibly waiting to see what happens in the trial and what the administration at NDSU does. If they just issue a slap on the wrist after these guys are convicted, they may be getting involved. And when the NCAA gets involved in your affairs....its never a good thing!!
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 they all plead guilty! now what? http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/376144/ "They all received deferred imposition of sentence, 360 days of unsupervised probation, $300 legislative fee, 50 hours of community service to be completed by April 15 and a $25 community service fee."
dmksioux Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 Another question I have from the article is about the attorney representing the players. The article states that NDSU isn't responsible for setting them up with the Attorney Quick. It also states that Quick is only representing the football players and not the other's who have been implicated. Are NCAA athletes allowed to have attorney's who are paid for by a third party? Or is the Attorney not being paid in this case?
petey23 Posted October 2, 2012 Posted October 2, 2012 There is no doubt that these guys were "hired" because they were NDSU football players. Who is going to have a better chance of people coming up to them at West Acres......me or Sam Ojuri. These guys are very recognizable, especially if they were wearing NDSU clothing. It is the reason that they were chosen to get these signutures. They have a greater chance to get somone to come talk to them and get them to sign the petitions. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA gets involved. They ar possibly waiting to see what happens in the trial and what the administration at NDSU does. If they just issue a slap on the wrist after these guys are convicted, they may be getting involved. And when the NCAA gets involved in your affairs....its never a good thing!! The facts in the case are bad enough. No need to speculate....I saw these guys more than once out collecting signatures this summer and can say that they were wearing company provided polos(I actually priced these out for the company but they went with someone else) and shorts.
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