GFG Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Might actually be better off not sweeping and advancing if it keeps BSU a TUC. I didn't think of it like that. This is very true. Where's Jim!? Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I'll take what we've had the last 8 years over 5 or 6 mediocre years and a banner without hesitation. The titles are just about bragging rights, while strong teams year in and year out bring us lot of enjoyment many weekends thoughout the year watching high end talent playing as a team, which we have had. Now, I can see why a player might prefer a title, because the player can take personal pride in the accomplishment and is only there for 3 or 4 of those years. I'd love to see the team get #8, but what we've been getting has been a pleasure. This is the same argument that Gopher fans made in the 1980's and 90's; titles don't really matter, all that matters is that we are in the playoffs every year. I think consistent success and championships are the benchmarks of a great program, not just one or the other. Fair or not, all people remember are the teams that raise NCAA title banners, not teams that are "there year in and year out". For example, Miami (OH) won't be considered a top echelon program until they get over the hump and win a national title. We haven't won a national title in any sport since 2001 (Football). Now with NDSU shoving their FCS football title in our faces 24/7, it is time we get over the hump. That would definitely shut up the "Fire Hakstol" crowd. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 This is the same argument that Gopher fans made in the 1980's and 90's; titles don't really matter, all that matters is that we are in the playoffs every year. I think consistent success and championships are the benchmarks of a great program, not just one or the other. Fair or not, all people remember are the teams that raise NCAA title banners, not teams that are "there year in and year out". For example, Miami (OH) won't be considered a top echelon program until they get over the hump and win a national title. We haven't won a national title in any sport since 2001 (Football). Now with NDSU shoving their FCS football title in our faces 24/7, it is time we get over the hump. That would definitely shut up the "Fire Hakstol" crowd. Winning championships are important, but I agree with burd. I would rather have the team competing for championships just about every year than have a great year and then 4 or 5 or 6 bad years. If you are competing for championships eventually you will probably win one or two. Look at the other top programs in college hockey. Michigan, Boston College, Boston U, Wisconsin, Denver and Minnesota have all had long periods of being very good without winning a championship. I believe the "what have you done for me lately" attitude is bad for a program. The only thing that Hakstol hasn't done is win the title. If he keeps going he probably will get his trophy eventually. And he may even win more than one. Quote
GFG Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I have no doubt that Hakstol will win an NCAA title eventually. Definitely don't think it will be this year due to all the injuries, but even as soon as next year he could have one. Quote
ticklethetwine Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I have no doubt that Hakstol will win an NCAA title eventually. Definitely don't think it will be this year due to all the injuries, but even as soon as next year he could have one. You know what you are 100% correct. Hakstol will win a title. Not exactly sure when but he will. He is to good of a coach and we have to good of a program to not win another title soon. Next year possibly depending on the early departures. Hell after last year I guess any one could win a title as long as they make the tournament. Duluth proved that. 1 Quote
siouxweet Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Might actually be better off not sweeping and advancing if it keeps BSU a TUC. according to the rpi page on siouxsports, bsu would remain a TUC even if we swept them. Quote
siouxnami Posted March 5, 2012 Author Posted March 5, 2012 according to the rpi page on siouxsports, bsu would remain a TUC even if we swept them. Great, then they have my permission to sweep... :-) Quote
burd Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 A little off topic, but would some kind soul please explain to this bonehead how the final 6 will play it out in Mpls? Quote
GoalieMask Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Thursday, March 15 Highest remaining seed likely Denver/North Dakota vs. lowest remaining seed - Time TBD, could be 2pm or 7pm Two middle seeds (traditionally the 4 vs. 5 matchup) likely North Dakota vs someone UNLESS Denver loses to Wisconsin - Time TBD, could be 2pm or 7pm. TV rules all so it's likely that they will go with the best TV/attendance matchup for the 7pm game. You would have to like UND's chances of getting the 7pm Thursday game if they make it to St. Paul. Friday, March 16 (Semifinal) #2 Duluth vs. Winner of the 3 vs 6 matchup (after first round re-seeding) - game time likely 2pm (Semifinal) #1 Minnesota vs. Winner of the 4 vs 5 matchup after first round re-seeeding) -game time likely 7pm -- #1 usually plays at 7pm unless Minnesota is still alive. In this case, they are both so that pretty much means the Gophers will get the late game Friday, March 16 7pm Championship Game If other experts have conflicting info, please correct this rube...but that's usually how it plays out From WCHA Website: Following the first round of playoffs, the six winners will be re-seeded No. 1 thru No. 6 according to their regular season finish and move on to the 2012 Red Baron™ WCHA Final Five, set for Thursday, March 15 thru Saturday, March 17 at Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minn. The Final Five winner receives the Broadmoor Trophy and the WCHA's automatic berth into the NCAA tournament. Quote
GoalieMask Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 This of course, assumes Minnesota and Duluth make it past their first round matchups. Also, the Champioship is March 17th (Saturday) not the 16th as I mentioned above. Quote
ringneck28 Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Thursday, March 15 Highest remaining seed likely Denver/North Dakota vs. lowest remaining seed - Time TBD, could be 2pm or 7pm Two middle seeds (traditionally the 4 vs. 5 matchup) likely North Dakota vs someone UNLESS Denver loses to Wisconsin - Time TBD, could be 2pm or 7pm. TV rules all so it's likely that they will go with the best TV/attendance matchup for the 7pm game. You would have to like UND's chances of getting the 7pm Thursday game if they make it to St. Paul. Friday, March 16 (Semifinal) #2 Duluth vs. Winner of the 3 vs 6 matchup (after first round re-seeding) - game time likely 2pm (Semifinal) #1 Minnesota vs. Winner of the 4 vs 5 matchup after first round re-seeeding) -game time likely 7pm -- #1 usually plays at 7pm unless Minnesota is still alive. In this case, they are both so that pretty much means the Gophers will get the late game Friday, March 16 7pm Championship Game If other experts have conflicting info, please correct this rube...but that's usually how it plays out From WCHA Website: Following the first round of playoffs, the six winners will be re-seeded No. 1 thru No. 6 according to their regular season finish and move on to the 2012 Red Baron™ WCHA Final Five, set for Thursday, March 15 thru Saturday, March 17 at Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, Minn. The Final Five winner receives the Broadmoor Trophy and the WCHA's automatic berth into the NCAA tournament. For the most part you are right, but the one area that you are wrong is that the 1 seed plays the lowest seed, so if the 6 seed happens to win they would play the 1 seed and then the 2 seed gets the winner of the 4/5 game. Quote
iluvdebbies Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 For the most part you are right, but the one area that you are wrong is that the 1 seed plays the lowest seed, so if the 6 seed happens to win they would play the 1 seed and then the 2 seed gets the winner of the 4/5 game. For the most part you are right, but the one area that you are wrong is that the 1 seed plays the lowest seed, so if the 6 seed happens to win they would play the 1 seed and then the 2 seed gets the winner of the 4/5 game. I'm not sure thats how it works....last year bemidji (6) upset umd(3) in the 3vs6 matchup and played denver,the two seed, in the semis... Quote
SiouxTupa Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I'm not sure thats how it works....last year bemidji (6) upset umd(3) in the 3vs6 matchup and played denver,the two seed, in the semis... I believe the teams are only re-seeded once (prior to the first game of the F5), after that it follows a bracket. Quote
siouxweet Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I'm not sure thats how it works....last year bemidji (6) upset umd(3) in the 3vs6 matchup and played denver,the two seed, in the semis... you are correct there is no reseeding of anykind at the final five. Quote
Let'sGoHawks! Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Go to ALL of the Final Five games. You won't be sorry. Quote
808287 Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 So if the Women's hockey team is done for the season (I suppose we find out tomorrow), are there rules in the NCAA that would not allow Mario's sisters from shoring up the depleted Men's roster for the WCHA tourney? I just keep thinking with the contact to the head rule, these women would be drawing Majors and game DQ's every time someone touched them. Hey, we would have 4 lines again! You can't be serious. Unless we needed someone to sit for a 10 minute misconduct...hmm... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Bemidji State? You mean this Bemidji State? All this talk of Final Five seems very premature given that BSU has figured out how to beat UND. Alternatively, after that debacle UND was 4-7-1. Since then UND is 16-5-2. Let's hope whatever the team learned that ugly day continues to stick in UND's mind and they want a chance to teach it to Bemidji State. Quote
burd Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 If the Sioux get into the tournament and lose the first regional game, this year will still have been Hak's finest coaching job as a head coach. Quote
fargosioux Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 If the Sioux get into the tournament and lose the first regional game, this year will still have been Hak's finest coaching job as a head coach. Totally agree. But if that happens you'll still have some people here resurrecting the "Fire Hak" discussion. Quote
hrkac Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Totally agree. But if that happens you'll still have some people here resurrecting the "Fire Hak" discussion. Unless someone can name one realistic replacement that is better than Hakstol, sit down and shut up. Quote
GFG Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 Unless someone can name one realistic replacement that is better than Hakstol, sit down and shut up. DEAN BLAIS Quote
Wilbur Posted March 6, 2012 Posted March 6, 2012 DEAN BLAIS You know its kind of funny, but after the World Junior tournament this past year, and the swoon that UNO is going through, Deano has kind of lost of bit of gusto in my eyes. Still a great hockey coach, but I think the end could be near. Heck, they've got his replacement already figured out, wouldn't surprise me at the end of this season if Coach Blais stepped down. Like I said though, great man, great hockey coach. At this point in time though, I back Hak. Quote
siouxnami Posted March 6, 2012 Author Posted March 6, 2012 DEAN BLAIS You know, he would never blow a 2 goal lead... Quote
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