Conference Realignments - Take 2

[ringneck28]

29 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

It's basketball, not football. So no, they wouldn't. 

Were you in MSP the year that Bison made it to the Dance the same weekend as the Final 5?  I was and I saw either UND or NDSU fans all over down there.  So I beg to differ about them traveling.  200 fans to Sioux falls is actually good considering USD and SDSU fans buy up the tickets to the Summit league tourney games, just like UND buys up tickets to the Frozen Faceoff. 

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, ringneck28 said:

Were you in MSP the year that Bison made it to the Dance the same weekend as the Final 5?  I was and I saw either UND or NDSU fans all over down there.  So I beg to differ about them traveling.  200 fans to Sioux falls is actually good considering USD and SDSU fans buy up the tickets to the Summit league tourney games, just like UND buys up tickets to the Frozen Faceoff. 

A conference tourney in St Louis is not the first ever ncaa tournament game against Kansas in Minneapolis.

[UND-1]

3 minutes ago, ringneck28 said:

Were you in MSP the year that Bison made it to the Dance the same weekend as the Final 5?  I was and I saw either UND or NDSU fans all over down there.  So I beg to differ about them traveling.  200 fans to Sioux falls is actually good considering USD and SDSU fans buy up the tickets to the Summit league tourney games, just like UND buys up tickets to the Frozen Faceoff. 

Minneapolis vs. St. Louis.

NCAA Tournament vs. MVC Tournament.  

Yah ummm......

[FargoBison]

NDSU did have some decent crowds in SF for 2 of the title games, the other three SDSU fans bought up most of the tickets. 

The Summit tournament is really setup poorly for traveling fans, I wish the conference did it more like Arch Madness but that would require changing some things on the TV side. 

 

[SiouxVolley]

Interesting that Drake and Illinois St announced today that they were moving their men's tennis programs from the MVC to the Slummit.  That means they have thrown in the towel on an MVC mens tennis sponsorship next year.

Only two other schools remain, S Illinois and affiliate Stony Brook.  Wichita St also was one of them, but they left.

Of the schools mentioned as possible new MVC members, only Murray St and NDSU don't have mens tennis programs.  Milwaukee also doesn't have it.

Valpo, Belmont, Omaha, NKU, SDSU, UMKC, ORU and UIC all have men's tennis.

It would be a reasonable assumption that the new schools being evaluated don't have men's tennis.

Think Murray St is the big favorite now and NDSU may be the backup choice.

[JohnboyND7]

10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Arch Madness is a weekend tournament compared to a Monday and Tuesday in boring Sioux Falls.  NDSU fans would show up for a weekend of drunkenness in a city that can walk to the venue.

There would be a couple hundred people there,  tops.

[southpaw]

7 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Interesting that Drake and Illinois St announced today that they were moving their men's tennis programs from the MVC to the Slummit.  That means they have thrown in the towel on an MVC mens tennis sponsorship next year.

Only two other schools remain, S Illinois and affiliate Stony Brook.  Wichita St also was one of them, but they left.

Of the schools mentioned as possible new MVC members, only Murray St and NDSU don't have mens tennis programs.  Milwaukee also doesn't have it.

Valpo, Belmont, Omaha, NKU, SDSU, UMKC, ORU and UIC all have men's tennis.

It would be a reasonable assumption that the new schools being evaluated don't have men's tennis.

Think Murray St is the big favorite now and NDSU may be the backup choice.

Why is that a reasonable assumption?  Drake and Illinois St just showed you can put your men's tennis in the Summit. 

[SiouxVolley]

18 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Why is that a reasonable assumption?  Drake and Illinois St just showed you can put your men's tennis in the Summit. 

Logic just isn't your strong point. 

I was wrong for non logical reasons.  Stony Brook just dropped men's tennis a week ago, and S Illinois just dropped M&W Tennis and cut way back on M&W swimming.  UND hasn't been the only one cutting.  What it means though is the MVC isn't adding three teams with men's tennis.  Drake and Ill St had no choice but to find another league for that sport.

UALR just announced a feasibility study for FBS.  Little Rock has a 50k stadium that they can use, as the Razorbacks rarely play there any more but used to quite often.  UALR would need an FCS affiliation for a few years and then the Sun Belt has to give it FBS membership if it comes to be.

[The Sicatoka]

Looking here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference 

MVC MTen is: Drake, Ill State, SIU, Wichita, and affiliates Stony Brook and UMBC. 

Wichita is gone. 
Stony Brook has dropped the sport. 
SIU dropped the sport. 
Drake and Ill State had to make a move (Summit). 
I'm guessing UMBC is scrambling. 

[SiouxVolley]

19 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Looking here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference 

MVC MTen is: Drake, Ill State, SIU, Wichita, and affiliates Stony Brook and UMBC. 

Wichita is gone. 
Stony Brook has dropped the sport. 
SIU dropped the sport. 
Drake and Ill State had to make a move (Summit). 
I'm guessing UMBC is scrambling. 

Wiki hasn't been updated.  UMBC dropped both M&W Tennis after the 2015-16 year.

[The Sicatoka]

Well, if there's no UMBC, MVC tennis ... dead. 

[zonadub]

So the question is... Why is the MVC better than the Summit, especially now after WSU leaves?

 

full disclosure: still prefer the Big Sky better to the Summit

[JohnboyND7]

6 minutes ago, zonadub said:

So the question is... Why is the MVC better than the Summit, especially now after WSU leaves?

 

full disclosure: still prefer the Big Sky better to the Summit

 They get higher seeds,  they invest a lot more into basketball,  they get more fans to games. 

[SiouxVolley]

12 minutes ago, zonadub said:

So the question is... Why is the MVC better than the Summit, especially now after WSU leaves?

 

full disclosure: still prefer the Big Sky better to the Summit

1.  Every MVC school gets almost $1 mill annually from dance payments.  The Slummit about 30% of that.

2.  The MVC has a contract with CBS that actually pays.  The Slummit has nothing except the championship game on ESPN2.

3.  Recruiting is better because a higher caliber athlete goes there compared to the Slummit.  

All these factors may dissipate though if no one takes up the slack.

[UND-1]

25 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

1.  Every MVC school gets almost $1 mill annually from dance payments.  The Slummit about 30% of that.

2.  The MVC has a contract with CBS that actually pays.  The Slummit has nothing except the championship game on ESPN2.

3.  Recruiting is better because a higher caliber athlete goes there compared to the Slummit.  

All these factors may dissipate though if no one takes up the slack.

Exactly.  Starting to catch on......  

[Gothmog]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Logic just isn't your strong point. 

I was wrong for non logical reasons.  Stony Brook just dropped men's tennis a week ago, and S Illinois just dropped M&W Tennis and cut way back on M&W swimming.  UND hasn't been the only one cutting.  What it means though is the MVC isn't adding three teams with men's tennis.  Drake and Ill St had no choice but to find another league for that sport.

UALR just announced a feasibility study for FBS.  Little Rock has a 50k stadium that they can use, as the Razorbacks rarely play there any more but used to quite often.  UALR would need an FCS affiliation for a few years and then the Sun Belt has to give it FBS membership if it comes to be.

Are you really suggesting that the MVC would not extend a bid to an otherwise qualified and desirable school simply because that school has a men's tennis program? 

[The Sicatoka]

7 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Are you really suggesting that the MVC would not extend a bid to an otherwise qualified and desirable school simply because that school has a men's tennis program? 

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

[Gothmog]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

OK, but so what? Without some sort of proof, there again is nothing either reasonable or logical about SV's assumption that the MVC would only consider schools w/o a men's tennis program. 

[southpaw]

 

On 4/4/2017 at 1:48 PM, SiouxVolley said:

http://www.omaha.com/sports/

Sportswriter Shatel says that UNO is very attractive to both the Horizon and MVC. He goes on to say that the Horizon might add four teams to get to 14, and there is interest in both Denver and Omaha.  Might they be attempting a takeover of the NCHC so other Horizon school add hockey?  Would UND be interested?

In the article you mention, yes he says that UNO "fits the bill" for both MVC and Horizon expansion/replacement however he has no sources that conferences are actually interested.  Why would the NCHC sell itself to add newcomer hockey schools?  They already turned down ASU due to lack of success and arena issues.  The NCHC is not going to add Horizon schools that have no teams at the moment.  

On 4/4/2017 at 3:51 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Maybe it's just a veiled threat to UND by Omaha and Denver that if we go to the BIG for hockey, Denver and Omaha aren't staying in the Slummit, which Denver and Omaha can wreck havoc on by leaving.

Omaha and Denver were in the Summit long before UND so why do they suddenly care if UND is in the Summit?  Yes, DU and UNO can wreck havoc on the Summit by leaving the conference if they get an invite, but they're not going to do it to spite UND for accepting a non-existent offer from the Big10.  Or to prevent UND from taking that non-existent offer.

On 4/5/2017 at 5:16 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The Omaha/Denver Horizon talk was just hot air designed to scare UND out of a BIG hockey invite.

That's a blatant lie.  

On 4/8/2017 at 9:34 AM, SiouxVolley said:

NDSU will try to sell themselves to the MVC as a way to get access to MSP cable.  That might actually work in convincing the MVC, but it wouldn't work with MSP viewers IMHO.  If Belmont says "no", they could get a yes.

The SD's aren't interested and it would be politically suicidal for them to express interest, as the SD and Sioux Falls politicians just love the idea of the Slummit tournament.

 

On 4/9/2017 at 5:32 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The possibility of  NDSU could open up a Fox Sports North contract with the MVC, as then UNI, Drake and NDSU are peripheral schools.  Think UNI could be pushing NDSU more than any other school including Omaha.  Bresciani is out to screw UND no matter what.

 

On 4/10/2017 at 5:03 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Nashville's News Channel 5 listed NDSU, Murray St, Belmont, N Kentucky, Valpo, and Omaha as finalists.  Those schools were probably invited to send applications.

The article doesn't say they're a finalist.  It says "Industry sources believe the pool of candidates the league will at least consider for expansion includes the likes of Belmont, Murray State, North Dakota State, Nebraska-Omaha, Northern Kentucky and Valparaiso."  That means some random insider thinks those teams will be talked to.  Not that they'll request applications or that they're "Finalists."

14 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Think both Drake and UNI would want NDSU over Omaha or SDSU, as the bizon fb fans travel and it opens up the possibility of a MSP cable contract for the MVC.  

The NDSU football fans that travel do not relate to the NDSU basketball fans that don't travel.  That's like saying the Big10 should take UND in all sports because their hockey fans travel so well.  Football does not equal basketball, especially at NDSU.

This is the second time you have mentioned NDSU opening up a possible Minneapolis contract for the MVC.  It wouldn't happen until after the current Midco contract is up which is after the 18-19 season.  However, you do all the work for us and in a later post explain why NDSU getting a Minneapolis cable contract is asinine.  NDSU FB isn't even top 5 in the MSP area, why would the basketball team be?  

14 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

ThE MVC learned it's lesson with Loyola.  Taking a third rate team in a metro won't buy anything.  NDSU is a third rate bb team, but in Fargo it's the Big time according to their fans.

[southpaw]

14 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

You have to admit that seeing the remaining two MVC MTen programs move to affiliate Summit status is a sign that there's no future for MTen in the MVC. 

Yes but that doesn't mean they correlate.  Summit tennis is now at 7 teams.  I'm sure they'll gladly welcome in another school that has tennis even as an affiliate school.

[Yote 53]

Everything that has been said about NDSU to the Valley also applies to USD, and USD is in a more reasonable position on the MVC map.  Two airports (Sioux City and Sioux Falls) within 45 minutes.   A better basketball tradition and a brand new arena.  USD could leave the Summit and the tournament would still be in Sioux Falls.  SDSU fans are the ones who make that tournament, just ask them.  USD could also deliver that FSN contract just as hypothetically as NDSU (and probably has just as far fetched of a chance). 

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

Are you saying, ... geography matters.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Everything that has been said about NDSU to the Valley also applies to USD, and USD is in a more reasonable position on the MVC map.  Two airports (Sioux City and Sioux Falls) within 45 minutes.   A better basketball tradition and a brand new arena.  USD could leave the Summit and the tournament would still be in Sioux Falls.  SDSU fans are the ones who make that tournament, just ask them.  USD could also deliver that FSN contract just as hypothetically as NDSU (and probably has just as far fetched of a chance). 

Reality is none of the Dakota schools are going to be invited. 

...why not usd...decent media market in sf...new arena...nice endowment...in the "footprint" of the conference...good academics. i would say that usd has about a 1000 percent more of a chance for an invite than sdsu

[Yote 53]

26 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

...why not usd...decent media market in sf...new arena...nice endowment...in the "footprint" of the conference...good academics. i would say that usd has about a 1000 percent more of a chance for an invite than sdsu

I would agree.  USD has pulled the conference rabbit out of that hat before, as you all know.

[jacksfan29]

21 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The MVC schedules so it has a mid-week game and a weekend game, so travel partners aren't used for mbb.  That effectively removes USD and SDSU as candidates, as they are in tiny places and only draw well on weekends when South Dakotans can travel and don't work.  This isn't a Slummit or even an NCC type schedule we are talking about.  Any South Dakota add isn't possible unless they agreed to play conference games in SF, which would backfire badly.  Even UND can't be added as the MVC would demand the Ralph be used, and that wouldnt be possible.

Have you looked into when the Summit play their games? Just saying that you might want to view a schedule. Just a hint, think MVC like not NCC like. It seems that since WAC FB fell apart, NDSU to the MVC is your new mission. Just so you are aware. SDSU, USD, UND nor NDSU are going to the MVC. Not one of us will get an invite not one of us will get a look. NDSU does not travel for BB and they can't even beat SDSU in attendance when they have 250,000 in the Fargo area to draw from. NDSU travels for FB and only FB.  

The day, if it occurs that SDSU or USD get an invite to another conference do you honestly think the schools will insist that the conference tourney be played in SF? Have you been drinking?

Do you honestly think that any of the four schools, including SDSU and USD can't do as they please? SDSU did go D1 minus USD and USD did have approval to move to the BSC before SDSU stepped in and helped them out in an attempt to stabilize the Summit, with a good school. We also did that for UND with the MVFC for the same reason. And we were joined by NDSU to the consternation of BV and Lakes. 

Talk of NDSU to the MVC has mostly come from one source, well two. BV fan boys and Lakes. How much pull do you think that crew have with the MVC? I would hope your answer is none. 

I'm beginning to think your afraid of being in a conference with NDSU. Why I don't really know but you went from thinking they were the dregs of society to suddenly they would be the most amazing get for the MVC. What gives? UND can compete with NDSU, just like SDSU compete with NDSU and USD are beginning to compete with NDSU. They really aren't that scary in FB and they are not scary at all in basketball. I would venture to guess I would get agreement from 99.9% of the UND fans on this site that NDSU are not anything to be frightened by. You? I'm not so sure.