Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SiouxVolley]

https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2018/03/10/mountain-west-looking-to-expand-hasnt-contacted-ndsu/

This is rather funny that McFeely even writes about it.  But Fargo is the center of the world so NDSU must be important.

NDSU won’t get an FBS bite from anyone, not the MAC or Sun Belt,  even after six FCS rings.  Ga Southern and Appalachian St were bored to death at less than those.  NDSU knows it needs to transform the Summit into an FBS conference, which is why UND got invited and why the Montana’s and Idaho will join.

[darell1976]

5 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2018/03/10/mountain-west-looking-to-expand-hasnt-contacted-ndsu/

This is rather funny that McFeely even writes about it.  But Fargo is the center of the world so NDSU must be important.

NDSU won’t get an FBS bite from anyone, not the MAC or Sun Belt,  even after six FCS rings.  Ga Southern and Appalachian St were bored to death at less than those.  NDSU knows it needs to transform the Summit into an FBS conference, which is why UND got invited and why the Montana’s and Idaho will join.

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

That is a great comment to this article.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

He writes it to get clicks, because that is what sells advertising.

But shutting Lakesbison's mouth is a definite bonus! 

[SiouxVolley]

Gonzaga backed out of next seasons Diamond Head Classic presumably because UNLV was also there.  Two teams from the same conference would not be smart.  Sounds like the Zags are needed for the MWC with the announcement after the Zags are done in the tournament.  The WCC will need to add a team or two (depending on if BYU leaves too, as the Zags are by far the most  Seattle should gets its bags packed for the WCC, which would make a death sentence for the WAC if they don’t add teams soon.

[SiouxVolley]

So further confirmation that Gonzaga is going to the MWC, but nothing official yet:

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/mens-basketball/2018/03/11/opinion-adding-gonzaga-would-big-bold-move-mw/414763002/

Whats makes this story so pertinent to the Summit is that Denver offered to pay the MWC up to $2 million annually to get membership.

Denver would probably go to the WCC and once Gonzaga is gone if offered.  It would be a natural travel partner with BYU.  Seattle won’t have access to Key Arena for the next couple of years, so they will only have their tiny gym (<1000) on campus.

[SIOUXFAN97]

so what happens if denver goes wcc and omaha goes to the horizon/mvc/ovc???????????

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so what happens if denver goes wcc and omaha goes to the horizon/mvc/ovc???????????

Denver is not as critical for the Summit as they don't have baseball but do have Men's soccer.

Losing IPFW, Omaha, and ORU would be worse.

But suspect Denver will be vying for the WCC instead of staying in the Summit helping their hockey buddies.

They previously were offered a Big West spot if they paid that conference a travel allowance.  They turned it down.

[SiouxVolley]

So when Gonzaga announces their move to the MVC, Denver might be the top choice for the WCC.  The Summit will be crying out for another school(s).

The Summit League and Kennedy better have a plan.  Confident that they do.

[Siouxphan27]

31 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

So when Gonzaga announces their move to the MVC, Denver might be the top choice for the WCC.  The Summit will be crying out for another school(s).

The Summit League and Kennedy better have a plan.  Confident that they do.

According to Moser I believe the plan is to have Kennedy lock up campus and throw away the key.  

[SiouxVolley]

23 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

According to Moser I believe the plan is to have Kennedy lock up campus and throw away the key.  

But NDSU is in the Summit, so nothing bad will ever happen to the Summit while they are in the league..  NDSU supposedly has a Big12 offer when they get a 60k stadium, is along the lines of what Moser would say.  The Summit could only then be doomed once NDSU has left.

[SiouxVolley]

A story out of Terre Haute:

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/todd-aaron-golden-mvc-needs-to-be-aggressive-and-get/article_7395c85f-d8c2-5e76-bdfb-af68beb9ae4e.html

Within it, Elgin is quoted the MVC wouldn’t expand for 2018-2019.  Murray St would be the most natural school to make the MVFC to 12, so it make sense that Murray and it’s fb will be delayed to arrive the same season as UND.  Changing fb schedules at this late date lead to headaches.  Murray St and UALR to the MVC for 2019-20, and announced in a couple months is my best guess.  Murray St fans were 75% of the crowd at the OVC tournament, and that speaks money to Arch Madness.

[Yote 53]

Don't think Denver moves.  They have a unique sports offering and the Summit just kind of let's them do their thing and doesn't make them line their sports offering up with the conference.  They have a pretty decent setup right now.  With UND coming in and UNO already here there is some cross conference familiarity with the schools.  What makes the WCC so much more attractive?  All the Gonzaga NCAA Tournament money they brought in?  Would they even get a share of it being the new school?  Is it worth the money to change everything?

[SWSiouxMN]

1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Don't think Denver moves.  They have a unique sports offering and the Summit just kind of let's them do their thing and doesn't make them line their sports offering up with the conference.  They have a pretty decent setup right now.  With UND coming in and UNO already here there is some cross conference familiarity with the schools.  What makes the WCC so much more attractive?  All the Gonzaga NCAA Tournament money they brought in?  Would they even get a share of it being the new school?  Is it worth the money to change everything?

So from a Summit perspective, how do they get to 10? From a Coyote perspective, who would you like to see brought in (realistic or pipedream)

[SIOUXFAN97]

32 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

So from a Summit perspective, how do they get to 10? From a Coyote perspective, who would you like to see brought in (realistic or pipedream)

augie, mankato, or morningside

[SiouxVolley]

3 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Don't think Denver moves.  They have a unique sports offering and the Summit just kind of let's them do their thing and doesn't make them line their sports offering up with the conference.  They have a pretty decent setup right now.  With UND coming in and UNO already here there is some cross conference familiarity with the schools.  What makes the WCC so much more attractive?  All the Gonzaga NCAA Tournament money they brought in?  Would they even get a share of it being the new school?  Is it worth the money to change everything?

Always try to look at conference affiliation from a Presidents eyes.  Denver gets many of its students from California, not from the Dakotas.  The Summit actually decreases enrollment for them as it doesn’t increase awareness in California.  It has very good soccer, Vb, and lax programs which appeal to west coast kids.  Hockey will still be in the NCHC.  The WCC is almost all private and elite which DU is.  The move is a slam dunk for Denver if they get invited.  Think Kennedy and Omaha already know if they are gone.

[jacksfan29]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Always try to look at conference affiliation from a Presidents eyes.  Denver gets many of its students from California, not from the Dakotas.  The Summit actually decreases enrollment for them as it doesn’t increase awareness in California.  It has very good soccer, Vb, and lax programs which appeal to west coast kids.  Hockey will still be in the NCHC.  The WCC is almost all private and elite which DU is.  The move is a slam dunk for Denver if they get invited.  Think Kennedy and Omaha already know if they are gone.

DU get 7.5% of their students from California. They get 5.8% from Illinois and 4.3% from Minnesota, two Summit states. Not a big difference, hardly something that his going to "decrease" enrollment. Especially for a school that already accepts 73% of all those who apply. I do think they would join the WCC if offered. I highly doubt they get an offer, and if they do, it is going to cost them a great deal of annual cash which they would be required to pay to cover the added travel costs for the smaller WCC schools who aren't fond on spending money on athletics.

[southpaw]

17 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

DU get 7.5% of their students from California. They get 5.8% from Illinois and 4.3% from Minnesota, two Summit states. Not a big difference, hardly something that his going to "decrease" enrollment. Especially for a school that already accepts 73% of all those who apply. I do think they would join the WCC if offered. I highly doubt they get an offer, and if they do, it is going to cost them a great deal of annual cash which they would be required to pay to cover the added travel costs for the smaller WCC schools who aren't fond on spending money on athletics.

Why do you have to bring actual data into the conversation? Now SiouxVolley will go silent for a bit because he is wrong and it will be 4-5 days until we get another stupid prediction. 

[SiouxVolley]

5 hours ago, jacksfan29 said:

DU get 7.5% of their students from California. They get 5.8% from Illinois and 4.3% from Minnesota, two Summit states. Not a big difference, hardly something that his going to "decrease" enrollment. Especially for a school that already accepts 73% of all those who apply. I do think they would join the WCC if offered. I highly doubt they get an offer, and if they do, it is going to cost them a great deal of annual cash which they would be required to pay to cover the added travel costs for the smaller WCC schools who aren't fond on spending money on athletics.

This is one of the comical posts ever.  W Illinois is such a big TV game for Chicago suburbs, NOT.  The Twin Cities are absolutely enthralled by SDSU-DU games, not.  DU costs like $65,000 a year for undergrads and half its undergrads we’re in the top 10% of their HS and that far exceeds Summit schools.  Their acceptance rate is high because mostly just wealthy parents have their with top achieving kids apply there where they can go skiing on weekends.  The NCHC is a much bigger deal in Minnesota than the Summit ever was and that’s what DU cares about.  The Dakotas are not big producers of DU students, but that is where half the Summit will be.

4 hours ago, southpaw said:

Why do you have to bring actual data into the conversation? Now SiouxVolley will go silent for a bit because he is wrong and it will be 4-5 days until we get another stupid prediction. 

You posted this when the hockey team had its biggest game of the year, but yet you never post anything meaningful.  We are supposed to bow down to you because your an AFA athletics peon and have so much knowledge.  Your posts are the biggest jokes ever.  Never have I seen you post a meaningful realignment mean link, but always criticize.  Perhaps news is too much to handle for your brain?

[SiouxVolley]

The following has no bearing on UND, so posters like Southpaw shouldn’t get their panties in a wad over it.

UALR announced at the NCAA wrestling meet that they are adding men’s wrestling.  A businessman was apparently offering several Arkansas DI teams to add the sport and UALR was the only one that took the money.  The same person has helped start wrestling all around the state, so now Arkansas has over 200 HS’s that sponsor it.

http://lrtrojans.com/news/2018/3/17/athletics-little-rock-announces-addition-of-wrestling-program.aspx

No word yet what conference they will affiliate with.  The Big 12 is right next door, even with the XDSU’s, UNI, and UNC,  and the SoCon offers it with lesser programs.  

What makes this interesting is that UALR has a FBS feasibility study that will be issued soon.  Adding wrestling just makes the Title IX situation all the more difficult if they add football.

[zonadub]

And Eastern Michigan drops wrestling, men's swimming and diving, softball and women's tennis a the end of the season

[SIOUXFAN97]

20 minutes ago, zonadub said:

And Eastern Michigan drops wrestling, men's swimming and diving, softball and women's tennis a the end of the season

eastern drops down to the glac and ndac is your newest member of the MAC daddy!

[jacksfan29]

On 3/16/2018 at 8:44 PM, SiouxVolley said:

This is one of the comical posts ever.  W Illinois is such a big TV game for Chicago suburbs, NOT.  The Twin Cities are absolutely enthralled by SDSU-DU games, not.  DU costs like $65,000 a year for undergrads and half its undergrads we’re in the top 10% of their HS and that far exceeds Summit schools.  Their acceptance rate is high because mostly just wealthy parents have their with top achieving kids apply there where they can go skiing on weekends.  The NCHC is a much bigger deal in Minnesota than the Summit ever was and that’s what DU cares about.  The Dakotas are not big producers of DU students, but that is where half the Summit will be.

You posted this when the hockey team had its biggest game of the year, but yet you never post anything meaningful.  We are supposed to bow down to you because your an AFA athletics peon and have so much knowledge.  Your posts are the biggest jokes ever.  Never have I seen you post a meaningful realignment mean link, but always criticize.  Perhaps news is too much to handle for your brain?

Why is it comical? Because it went against your statement that DU get a large portion of students from California? What you seem to be missing, most DU students could give a rats axx about where their athletics are affiliated. The reality is that DU do not have a lot of options. They have an odd offering of sports which do not fit any league. Yes they would like the WCC, and yes they would leave the Summit for the WCC. The problem is that DU only offer 2 Men's sports played in the WCC. Their women are a little better, they offer 4. If DU gets an offer to join the WCC it is going to cost them a lot of money. They will be REQUIRED to add Men's baseball which would mean also adding a new Women's sport to cover Title IX. They will also be required to pay an annual subsidy to WCC schools to cover the additional travel cost.

By the way, just so you know. I have a number of friends who have sent their kids to DU from Minnesota. They aren't sending their kids to Denver so they can "go skiing on the weekends". It is a good school, with a solid academic reputation, a school that is geographically diverse. If they want their kids to hang with Californian's and party, they would send their kids to CU Boulder. Maybe you have the two schools mixed up. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, jacksfan29 said:

Why is it comical? Because it went against your statement that DU get a large portion of students from California? What you seem to be missing, most DU students could give a rats axx about where their athletics are affiliated. The reality is that DU do not have a lot of options. They have an odd offering of sports which do not fit any league. Yes they would like the WCC, and yes they would leave the Summit for the WCC. The problem is that DU only offer 2 Men's sports played in the WCC. Their women are a little better, they offer 4. If DU gets an offer to join the WCC it is going to cost them a lot of money. They will be REQUIRED to add Men's baseball which would mean also adding a new Women's sport to cover Title IX. They will also be required to pay an annual subsidy to WCC schools to cover the additional travel cost.

By the way, just so you know. I have a number of friends who have sent their kids to DU from Minnesota. They aren't sending their kids to Denver so they can "go skiing on the weekends". It is a good school, with a solid academic reputation, a school that is geographically diverse. If they want their kids to hang with Californian's and party, they would send their kids to CU Boulder. Maybe you have the two schools mixed up. 

You consistently show that you are clueless about conference politics, as if a Sioux Falls tournament is the be all and end all for all schools.  That's why it’s comical.  Calfifornia is an important market to DU because it can market itself more there,  and there are plenty of kids that don’t need much financial aid or scholarships.  DU should have more Californians than it does as it would raise its average incoming SAT and be very cost effective.  One of the reason that CU wanted in the PAC10 is because there get many Californians to pay full out-of-state tuition.  That number has only increased because the UC system is so hard to get into.   BYU isn’t charged tor the WCC, so why would DU?  DU has previously applied for the WCC but were rejected because BYU was out there.  Now the WCC needs a travel partner for BYU if the Zags leave.  The Big West offered a while back to take DU if it paid travel fees like Boise St and Hawaii as the Big West is a low budget league for travel, i.e. a bus league.

Western Illinois is not a school that most Presidents want to associate with, because it really doesn’t deliver academics, research or a large metro.  They have a fine criminal justice department that is well respected, but that isn’t worth a hill of beans to academically minded Presidents.  WIU is the only school left from the original Mid Con because other conferences do not find it desirable so it’s been passed over for 40years while everybody else got the h*ll out.  EIU got out and into the OVC because it saw the writing on the wall and realized the OVC had schools much like it.  

When talking about enrollment, every student is different, but skiing is a big draw to attract students to Colorado.  So doesnt DU have a skiing program?  It’s not like DU practices in a local city park.  Our former UND President Schafer has an MBA at DU, but that doesn’t mean that DU will mount an all out enrollment effort in ND, because there are simply much better areas to do that in.  The Dakotas simply don’t have metro areas with large swathes of suburbs with affluent kinds.  DU’s affiliate lacrosse membership likely caused a bigger increase in East Coast students just because of awareness that DU is an option than any thing the Summit offers. 

DU was willing to pay $2 million a year to get into the MWC and yet you insist that DU will stay the course?  When DU joined the Summit, the news was very much down played by their admin, like they didn’t want to broadcast an embarrassment.  Contrast that when DU joined the still intact WAC, it was a real campus celebration because their admin thought DU had hit the big time in a western conference.

[Shawn-O]

On 3/19/2018 at 1:18 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The following has no bearing on UND, so posters like Southpaw shouldn’t get their panties in a wad over it.

UALR announced at the NCAA wrestling meet that they are adding men’s wrestling.  A businessman was apparently offering several Arkansas DI teams to add the sport and UALR was the only one that took the money.  The same person has helped start wrestling all around the state, so now Arkansas has over 200 HS’s that sponsor it.

http://lrtrojans.com/news/2018/3/17/athletics-little-rock-announces-addition-of-wrestling-program.aspx

No word yet what conference they will affiliate with.  The Big 12 is right next door, even with the XDSU’s, UNI, and UNC,  and the SoCon offers it with lesser programs.  

What makes this interesting is that UALR has a FBS feasibility study that will be issued soon.  Adding wrestling just makes the Title IX situation all the more difficult if they add football.

I miss the old Western Wrestling Conference and their weekly show on Fox Sports FS9 the "Nueve".