BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Are you familiar with the concept called "The Peter Principle"? http://en.wikipedia....Peter_Principle I believe Coach Mussman is a living, breathing embodiment of it. It's not quite the same thing but a pretty common saying in education where I used to work was "F up, move up". Sadly this did seem to be the case quite often.
Cratter Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Mussman set a record at UND.....for the most consecutive homecoming losses.
The Sicatoka Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Mussman set a record at UND.....for the most consecutive homecoming losses. Wow, a record of ineptitude not held by Pat Behrns. Congrats Muss. <facepalm>
Cratter Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Pat Behrns only coached UND for six seasons. Mussman has now lost four straight homecoming games. Pat actually had a winning record every year at UND except his final season, when he went 3-8.....hmmm.
petey23 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Did you think UND would step into the playoffs as soon as they got playoff eligible? I certainly didn't and this season has raised all kinds of red flags with the coaching staff, but I figured we would struggle some. Are we seeing improvement? I thought we would this year but clearly I was wrong about that. The crazy thing to me is that if we would have moved up with the States, we would be better and neither of them would likely be as good as they are. UND had a lot of good reason not to transition then, but in hindsight it really hurt the football program and USD is feeling it as well. I guess it depends on your timeframe. When we went D1 and where our program was at the time in comparison to where NDSU was when they went....absolutely I expected us to make the playoffs our first year of eligibility as everyone should have. 1
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 All I know is that this program has regressed and deteriorated to its lowest point since 1986. Mussman is at the top of the food chain in the Memorial Stadium football offices and has been since 2008. That means the buck stops with him. That's how it works in the military and it's how it works in collegiate athletics. And unless this team somehow runs the table, I don't see him surviving. Is that how it works in politics (Obama) ha!! Sorry not meaning to make this political. Just a poke a my buddy fightingsioux4life!!
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I guess it depends on your timeframe. When we went D1 and where our program was at the time in comparison to where NDSU was when they went....absolutely I expected us to make the playoffs our first year of eligibility as everyone should have. Because we transitioned after the fact UND forfeited a lot of what was built up in terms of being the better team(success at the time). NDSU could go to a recruit and offer a D1 scholarship when we could not and that will sway most recruits by itself, but we finally move up and NDSU says we are playoff eligible and will be in the playoffs. Once again most recruits are going to like that a heck of a lot better than what UND had to offer at the time.
fightingsioux4life Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Is that how it works in politics (Obama) ha!! Sorry not meaning to make this political. Just a poke a my buddy fightingsioux4life!! Very funny! We'll just have to agree to disagree on that stuff. As for Fighting Sioux athletics, we are in lock-step!
darell1976 Posted October 15, 2013 Author Posted October 15, 2013 Because we transitioned after the fact UND forfeited a lot of what was built up in terms of being the better team(success at the time). NDSU could go to a recruit and offer a D1 scholarship when we could not and that will sway most recruits by itself, but we finally move up and NDSU says we are playoff eligible and will be in the playoffs. Once again most recruits are going to like that a heck of a lot better than what UND had to offer at the time. And when UND lost to NDSU 12 straight years UND somehow found recruits to not only beat NDSU but get UND into the playoffs almost every single year. It takes more than recruits to win a game, it takes the right coaches to call the right plays. UND doesn't have that right now.
Oxbow6 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Are you familiar with the concept called "The Peter Principle"? http://en.wikipedia....Peter_Principle I believe Coach Mussman is a living, breathing embodiment of it: Yes, he was a successful OC, and got promoted to the level of his incompetence. Exactly. He is just in way over his head as a HC...and his overall record coupled with some absolutely humiliating losses are evidence of this.
fightingsioux4life Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Exactly. He is just in way over his head as a HC...and his overall record coupled with some absolutely humiliating losses are evidence of this. I loved Muss as offensive coordinator. He always seemed to have a knack for calling the right plays at the right times. But being head coach is a much different job and not all coordinators succeed as head coaches (the NFL is full of examples of this). Muss would be better off going to Carbondale and taking over Lennon's offense there; they certainly have struggled to score points since Lennon took over.
BJC Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 anyone, anyone? voo doo? lol I'll take them....was getting an error when tryin gto message directly though????
BJC Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Tickets have been claimed for both games... too slow at the draw ......
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 So let's say they bring in Tibesar, which I would love, which coaches do you think he would keep on staff?
Shawn-O Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 NFL position coaches average in the mid-$300's....so can we please just stop it with the Tibesar nonsense? 1
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 NFL position coaches average in the mid-$300's....so can we please just stop it with the Tibesar nonsense? In short, no.
UND92,96 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 NFL position coaches average in the mid-$300's....so can we please just stop it with the Tibesar nonsense? I certainly don't know Tibesar personally, but I have to think there are coaches out there--particularly those with young families--who might appreciate the lifestyle of a college head coach at $200k per year, give or take, with a much lower cost of living to boot, over making more in the NFL, but with absolutely no job security to speak of. 2
Shawn-O Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 In short, no. It would be a home-run hire, but I'm a realist. 1
geaux_sioux Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 It would be a home-run hire, but I'm a realist. The only hope I see is that it's his alma mater and just think if he came in here and turned things around quickly how much of a legend in UND history he would be. That would be tough to turn down in my opinion.
fightingsioux4life Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 It would be a home-run hire, but I'm a realist. Realists rarely accomplish anything great. Visionaries that look at the long-term and are willing to put serious resources into a venture usually do.
Shawn-O Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 Realists rarely accomplish anything great. Visionaries that look at the long-term and are willing to put serious resources into a venture usually do. Hey, if Faison can land him I'll be the first one there with balloons and confetti. 1
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 And when UND lost to NDSU 12 straight years UND somehow found recruits to not only beat NDSU but get UND into the playoffs almost every single year. It takes more than recruits to win a game, it takes the right coaches to call the right plays. UND doesn't have that right now. Sure but it didn't happen in 1 or 2 years, it took twelve and at the time they were still both D2 schools, I hope you can see the difference. In hindsight, UND screwed itself by not moving up along with NDSU and SDSU but we couldn't really know it at the time.
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I loved Muss as offensive coordinator. He always seemed to have a knack for calling the right plays at the right times. But being head coach is a much different job and not all coordinators succeed as head coaches (the NFL is full of examples of this). Muss would be better off going to Carbondale and taking over Lennon's offense there; they certainly have struggled to score points since Lennon took over. I completely agree that many or most coaches really aren't cut out to be head coaches. It certainly looks and feels that way with Muss. Heck, the head coach usually does little or no coaching anyway. Most of the time they are a planner, organizer, manager and motivator.
BigGame Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 I certainly don't know Tibesar personally, but I have to think there are coaches out there--particularly those with young families--who might appreciate the lifestyle of a college head coach at $200k per year, give or take, with a much lower cost of living to boot, over making more in the NFL, but with absolutely no job security to speak of. No coaching jobs are all that secure! but I assume if he was brought in he would get at least 3 years.
UND92,96 Posted October 15, 2013 Posted October 15, 2013 The only hope I see is that it's his alma mater and just think if he came in here and turned things around quickly how much of a legend in UND history he would be. That would be tough to turn down in my opinion. He's an alum, as is his wife, AND she is a Grand Forks native. For all I know she has no interest in moving back, but I believe she does still have family here, so it's certainly possible she would welcome such a move. No coaching jobs are all that secure! but I assume if he was brought in he would get at least 3 years. True, but there's still a world of difference in that regard between FCS and the NFL. I would guess he'd get a minimum of five years unless somehow things got worse than they currently are after the first three years. It's interesting to think that had Tibesar stayed at UND for two more years, in all likelihood it would have been he, rather than Muss, who was promoted when Lennon left. What might have been...
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