UND's New Hockey Conference

[GFG]

Wisconsin told Faison on Wednesday or Thursday that the deal was off because the nickname is back. Both Wisconsin and Minnesota told Faison that they wouldn't be scheduling UND after they left the WCHA. Time will tell what happens.

Both schools and Iowa, as well as most Minnesota colleges and universities have a policy in place that doesn't allow them to play Native American named teams outside of the conference or playoffs. Minnesota AD Joel Maturi asked the board of regents if it would be at all possible to schedule UND if they kept the name and they flat out said no right away.

Add that in with the fact that the NCAA will be telling schools not to schedule UND because of the nickname and it might not be looking to good non-conference schedule wise.

[bigskyvikes]

Both schools and Iowa, as well as most Minnesota colleges and universities have a policy in place that doesn't allow them to play Native American named teams outside of the conference or playoffs. Minnesota AD Joel Maturi asked the board of regents if it would be at all possible to schedule UND if they kept the name and they flat out said no right away.

Add that in with the fact that the NCAA will be telling schools not to schedule UND because of the nickname and it might not be looking to good non-conference schedule wise.

This is flat out WRONG!

It's not teams with "native American names" it is teams on the hostile abusive list!!!!

If they get what the NC$$ wants as far as approval they are off the list and eligible to play these schools, if not approved by NC$$ than they are on the list then these holier than holy schools can't play them!!!!

[GFG]

Wisconsin's is on this list, I'm trying to find Minnesota's.

1. We will discourage all teams from bringing their American Indian mascots to UW Athletic facilities. Furthermore, we will request that any band not play war chants and that the cheerleaders/pompom squads also not use American Indian gestures, chants, and so forth.
   
2. For all users of UW Athletic facilities, we will discourage planned events using an American Indian Mascot, symbol, names and activities if that use is disrespectful.
   
3. The sale of athletic wear or other souvenirs with American Indian mascots or logos will be discouraged on the grounds of the University's athletic facilities.
   
4. UW representatives to our conferences (Big Ten and WCHA) will present our policy to other members of the conference and the Board of Regents. They will convey to the conference the sensitivity of the use of such names and logos and ask the conference to consider appropriate policies. The intent of this presentation is to exert a leadership in our conferences and in the UW system which will lead institutions with such mascots and names to review the nature and uses of Native American names and symbols.
   
5. Scheduling. During the regular season, UW Athletic Department will not schedule any team with a Native American mascot or nickname unless the team is a traditional rival or a conference member.
   

http://www.und.edu/o...ges/passed.html

UND may be able to play Wisconsin if AD Alvarez claims them as a traditional rival which is highly possible.

[82SiouxGuy]

Wisconsin's is on this list, I'm trying to find Minnesota's.

1. We will discourage all teams from bringing their American Indian mascots to UW Athletic facilities. Furthermore, we will request that any band not play war chants and that the cheerleaders/pompom squads also not use American Indian gestures, chants, and so forth.
   
2. For all users of UW Athletic facilities, we will discourage planned events using an American Indian Mascot, symbol, names and activities if that use is disrespectful.
   
3. The sale of athletic wear or other souvenirs with American Indian mascots or logos will be discouraged on the grounds of the University's athletic facilities.
   
4. UW representatives to our conferences (Big Ten and WCHA) will present our policy to other members of the conference and the Board of Regents. They will convey to the conference the sensitivity of the use of such names and logos and ask the conference to consider appropriate policies. The intent of this presentation is to exert a leadership in our conferences and in the UW system which will lead institutions with such mascots and names to review the nature and uses of Native American names and symbols.
   
5. Scheduling. During the regular season, UW Athletic Department will not schedule any team with a Native American mascot or nickname unless the team is a traditional rival or a conference member.
   

http://www.und.edu/o...ges/passed.html

UND may be able to play Wisconsin if AD Alvarez claims them as a traditional rival which is highly possible.

I believe that this has changed. They added the schools on the hostile and abusive list as schools that could not be scheduled unless a conference member. The Assistant AD from Wisconsin told Mr. Faison that they would not be able to play UND now that the nickname is back.

[bigskyvikes]

Wisconsin Badgers Now to Play Schools with Indian Names & Mascots

From the Badger Herald: “The University of Wisconsin will now be able to schedule games against teams with American Indian symbols and names after the Faculty Senate approved a new policy regarding athletic competitions Monday.

“According to the new policy, UW may schedule competitions with schools that are not on the NCAA list of colleges and universities subject to restrictions.

“The Badgers are now permitted to play schools including Central Michigan University, Florida State University, Mississippi College and the University of Utah — all of which have American Indian names, because tribes have endorsed the use of their names and, therefore, the universities are not subject to NCAA restrictions.

“American Indian Student Academic Services Coordinator, Aaron Bird-Bear said UW recently updated its mascot policy to reflect the 2005 NCAA mandate reviewing American Indian mascots in higher education.

“Bird-Bear said UW’s initial American Indian mascot policy was issued 12 years prior to the NCAA’s 2005 mascot review.”

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I can find things to copy and paste also!!!!

[GFG]

Wisconsin Badgers Now to Play Schools with Indian Names & Mascots

From the Badger Herald: “The University of Wisconsin will now be able to schedule games against teams with American Indian symbols and names after the Faculty Senate approved a new policy regarding athletic competitions Monday.

“According to the new policy, UW may schedule competitions with schools that are not on the NCAA list of colleges and universities subject to restrictions.

“The Badgers are now permitted to play schools including Central Michigan University, Florida State University, Mississippi College and the University of Utah — all of which have American Indian names, because tribes have endorsed the use of their names and, therefore, the universities are not subject to NCAA restrictions.

“American Indian Student Academic Services Coordinator, Aaron Bird-Bear said UW recently updated its mascot policy to reflect the 2005 NCAA mandate reviewing American Indian mascots in higher education.

“Bird-Bear said UW’s initial American Indian mascot policy was issued 12 years prior to the NCAA’s 2005 mascot review.”

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I can find things to copy and paste also!!!!

Awesome, I actually hadn't seen this before. I could be wrong again, but I don't believe Minnesota adopted this policy.

[BigGreyAnt41]

I can find things to copy and paste also!!!!

Well maybe you should have just done that the first time instead of just coming on here yelling about how everybody is "WRONG!"

Do you have the link to where you got that text from?

[bigskyvikes]

Well maybe you should have just done that the first time instead of just coming on here yelling about how everybody is "WRONG!"

Do you have the link to where you got that text from?

Are you really bitching at me for this, are you my wife with the screen name of bigGreyant?

[bigskyvikes]

Link to keep my wife happy!

https://turtletalk.wordpress.com/2007/11/10/wisconsin-badgers-now-to-play-schools-with-indian-names-mascots/

[jdub27]

This is flat out WRONG!

It's not teams with "native American names" it is teams on the hostile abusive list!!!!

If they get what the NC$$ wants as far as approval they are off the list and eligible to play these schools, if not approved by NC$$ than they are on the list then these holier than holy schools can't play them!!!!

One small correction. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but UND is not, nor has it been for a while, on the hostile & abusive list. They were taken off that quite a few years ago. They are now considered a program under sanctions by the NCAA. Not a big difference, but a notable one.

[82SiouxGuy]

One small correction. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but UND is not, nor has it been for a while, on the hostile & abusive list. They were taken off that quite a few years ago. They are now considered a program under sanctions by the NCAA. Not a big difference, but a notable one.

The NCAA issued a statement after the 2007 settlement saying that UND was not hostile and abusive to Native Americans. But most people use the hostile and abusive moniker for the list of schools under sanction for having a Native American nickname or logo.

[bincitysioux]

Wisconsin's Policy

POLICY ON NATIVE AMERICAN LOGOS AND NAMES

The University of Wisconsin Athletic Department adds its name to those who desire to stop the use of American Indian symbols and names by athletic teams. We are concerned that the use of war chants, American Indian related mascots and logos by teams both perpetuates a stereotype and causes insult to many Native Americans. We therefore adopt the following policy:

1. The UW-Madison Athletic Department may schedule competitions with schools that are not on the NCAA's list of colleges and universities subject to the restrictions on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery at NCAA championships (referred to subsequently in this policy as the NCAA list).

2. The UW-Madison Athletic Department will not schedule competitions against, or attend tournaments hosted by, any school on the NCAA list, unless the school is a conference member. The Athletic Department will contact the NCAA twice annually (by September 1 and January 1) to obtain the most current version of the NCAA list, and this list will be distributed to Athletic Department staff, including all coaches. The Athletic Department discourages participation of teams in pre-season events or tournaments during the regular season in which schools on the NCAA list are also participating, unless the schedule is controlled by outside entities (e.g., the Big Ten Conference) or is the result of other contractual agreements.

3. The UW-Madison will discourage all teams from bringing Native American mascots to UW-Madison athletic facilities. Furthermore, UW-Madison will request that any band not play war chants, that the cheerleaders/pompom squads not use Native American gestures, chants, or other items that perpetuate disrespectful stereotypes, and that visiting bands, cheerleaders, and student-athletes shall be prohibited from displaying racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery, except as may pre-exist on uniforms, equipment and apparel, or as may be allowed by contractual obligations.

The current NCAA policy on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery at NCAA championships provides the following list/designations:

Subject to policy:

Alcorn State University “Braves”

Arkansas State University “Indians”

University of North Dakota “Fighting Sioux”

Exempt from policy (tribes have endorsed the use of their names):

Catawba College “Catawba Indians”

Central Michigan University “Chippewas”

Florida State University “Seminoles”

Mississippi College “Choctaws”

University of Utah “Utes”

[Blackheart]

Wisconsin's Policy

POLICY ON NATIVE AMERICAN LOGOS AND NAMES

The University of Wisconsin Athletic Department adds its name to those who desire to stop the use of American Indian symbols and names by athletic teams. We are concerned that the use of war chants, American Indian related mascots and logos by teams both perpetuates a stereotype and causes insult to many Native Americans. We therefore adopt the following policy:

1. The UW-Madison Athletic Department may schedule competitions with schools that are not on the NCAA's list of colleges and universities subject to the restrictions on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery at NCAA championships (referred to subsequently in this policy as the NCAA list).

2. The UW-Madison Athletic Department will not schedule competitions against, or attend tournaments hosted by, any school on the NCAA list, unless the school is a conference member. The Athletic Department will contact the NCAA twice annually (by September 1 and January 1) to obtain the most current version of the NCAA list, and this list will be distributed to Athletic Department staff, including all coaches. The Athletic Department discourages participation of teams in pre-season events or tournaments during the regular season in which schools on the NCAA list are also participating, unless the schedule is controlled by outside entities (e.g., the Big Ten Conference) or is the result of other contractual agreements.

3. The UW-Madison will discourage all teams from bringing Native American mascots to UW-Madison athletic facilities. Furthermore, UW-Madison will request that any band not play war chants, that the cheerleaders/pompom squads not use Native American gestures, chants, or other items that perpetuate disrespectful stereotypes, and that visiting bands, cheerleaders, and student-athletes shall be prohibited from displaying racial/ethnic/national origin mascots, nicknames or imagery, except as may pre-exist on uniforms, equipment and apparel, or as may be allowed by contractual obligations.

The current NCAA policy on the use of Native American mascots, names and imagery at NCAA championships provides the following list/designations:

Subject to policy:

Alcorn State University “Braves”

Arkansas State University “Indians”

University of North Dakota “Fighting Sioux”

Exempt from policy (tribes have endorsed the use of their names):

Catawba College “Catawba Indians”

Central Michigan University “Chippewas”

Florida State University “Seminoles”

Mississippi College “Choctaws”

University of Utah “Utes”

When is this from? I only ask because I believe Ark. St changed their name several years ago. (now known as the Red Wolves)

[82SiouxGuy]

When is this from? I only ask because I believe Ark. St changed their name several years ago. (now known as the Red Wolves)

October 1, 2007

[ozzie679]

I don't think Minnesota's policy is as stringent as Wisconsin's. http://www1.umn.edu/usenate/athletics/antidiscrimination.html I'm not sure if this is the current statement from the U.

But this was an interesting read.

Conference change could end Badger/Sioux relationship

An interesting tidbit has surfaced recently in an article written by the Wisconsin State Journal's Andy Baggot. In the article Baggot notes that according to UW deputy athletic director Sean Frazier, who oversees men's hockey, Wisconsin won't be able to schedule North Dakota in non-conference games when the Badgers move out of the WCHA and to the Big Ten conference because of the University's stance on on Native American logo's and names.

[Cratter]

This is about UND's new hockey conference, not about future nonconference schedules.

[sioux24/7]

Apparently the Target Center is aggressively looking to host the NCHC Tournament and the NCHC could have signed a multi-year contract with the Xcel but they chose to explore their options between the Xcel and the Target Center.

[ringneck28]

I would like for the tourney to be in the X but if it can't I hope that it will be at target center so that UND fans can go to many a tourney.

[Goon]

Apparently the Target Center is aggressively looking to host the NCHC Tournament and the NCHC could have signed a multi-year contract with the Xcel but they chose to explore their options between the Xcel and the Target Center.

That is a bad idea if true, they should have locked up the Xcel Energy Center. Much better place for a conference tourney.

[82SiouxGuy]

That is a bad idea if true, they should have locked up the Xcel Energy Center. Much better place for a conference tourney.

That may depend on the terms of the contract. Target Center might try to buy the tournament by offering very favorable terms.

[ringneck28]

Do all conference tourneys happen the week before regionals? What could they possibly be discussing, if NCHC is a second rate league? I am starting to wonder.

[SiouxForever]

Do all conference tourneys happen the week before regionals? What could they possibly be discussing, if NCHC is a second rate league? I am starting to wonder.

Yeah... OK. 13,000 Sioux fans will come down no matter what. You're not going to get that out of any Big Ten fan base other than the Gopher fans at the Big Ten Tournament and that's only given because it's in St. Paul. Have the Big Ten tournament in Wisconsin or elsewhere, and you'd only get a few thousand gopher fans to travel and show up. That's a fact, anyone else who argues or says differently, I don't want to hear it.

[82SiouxGuy]

Do all conference tourneys happen the week before regionals? What could they possibly be discussing, if NCHC is a second rate league? I am starting to wonder.

The NCHC isn't going to be a second rate league. If you haven't noticed, all of the conference tournaments seem to be up in the air starting in 2013-2014. They are all probably trying to decide whether to go with a final four type tournament at a campus location, or plan ahead to have the tournament at a set location. There are pros and cons to each. Especially since all of the leagues are going to be more spread out. It isn't like now when most of the CCHA is within fairly easy driving distance of Detroit and most of the WCHA is within easy driving distance of the X. There isn't an obvious choice of location. And I'm sure that the different venues are trying to attract the event that would be best for them. For instance, would it make more sense for the X to try and attract the Big Ten, the NCHC or the WCHA? Which other venues are going to compete with them? The Big Ten might work in Milwaukee, Chicago or Detroit better because there would be more teams within driving distance. Minnesota is the western edge. Would Omaha, Kansas City or Denver work for the NCHC? Would the X or the Target Center work better in the Twin Cities? And what kind of deal are any of the venues willing to give? All of this takes time.

[ringneck28]

The big 10 tourney will consist of all teams so there is a gaurantee that there will be at least one gopher game. That is at least one sold out game(if it is in minneapolis).

[as15]

The big 10 tourney will consist of all teams so there is a gaurantee that there will be at least one gopher game. That is at least one sold out game.

Guarantee? What if the Big 10 Tourney isn't in St. Paul? Do you guarantee a sell out if the game is in Chicago or Detroit? Probably not.