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Engelstad Arena.... 100 million I believe? If Matt Greene is willing to donate $100million as well, I would have no problem being the UND Fighting Greene. Your comparison isn't the same. If you compared my opinion of Roughriders to UND choosing "Imperials" for a nickname, the comparisons would be the same. We could all pay homage to Imperial Palace; something Ralph Engelstad did in another part of his life, in another part of the country.

As I've said before, if people like the name roughrider, that's just fine, we all have opinions. People always mention stories about Teddy Roosevelt; why not mention a few stories about the Roughriders themselves? I think I know the answer... The nickname committee had an opportunity to advance a few names that referred to the actual people that settled our state. As part of their criteria from the beginning, I thought a few of those names like Sodbusters or Settlers would've had a chance of advancing. But instead, the only name that attempts to honor ND heritage that is left on the list, is in fact a name that honors Teddy Roosevelt; not North Dakota. I didn't attend the University of Teddy Roosevelt.

People in 1930 knew the Roughriders were a Cavalry that originated in Texas, Oklahoma, Arizona, and New Mexico. They also knew that an attempt to raise a Roughriders division in World War I, failed. Roughriders would have never been considered by those folks as being something related to North Dakota. Fast forward just 80 years, and after a couple decades of people "learning" their ND "history" from "Legendary" ND Tourism commercials, and suddenly we're all "Bully" for Roughriders. it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

Thank you for your consideration. Can I add some ND history questions to the exam? :-)

To answer your last question- in a word- yes. Read the Wikipedia entry concerning the Roughriders to get a summary. Medora and ND Tourism have done a fine job of promoting the Roughriders as a ND thing.... I look at it as a -if you say something enough times, eventually it becomes true- sort of deals. But it's clear a lot of people on siouxsports don't care about that. Which is fine, we all have opinions. For me personally the 4 strikes against Roughriders are 1. Fabricated ND history 2. Condom manufacturer 3. Local high school name 4. I just plain don't like the name.

I like this idea. Very good points about tying in to the Sioux logos in the Ralph.

1912. History. Tradition.

Lol lol lol

I said people out of the region unfamiliar with the southwestern U.S. Cowboys who fought in Cuba.

Most people outside the area that aren't familiar with north Dakotas highest award, or north Dakotas fantasy connection to teddy Roosevelt's Roughriders, (which would be pretty much everyone outside the area), will think of condoms when hearing the name. This is the stage of the process where the consultants earn their keep. But, the committee has disappointed thus far, so they will probably choose to ignore the experts' advice on Roughriders. If it's chosen, maybe Spring Fest could be replaced with Ribbed Fest.

It ain't 1912 anymore, me boy! ( the year USC chose Trojans)

Very good idea! The possibilities are nearly endless here. The name can be shaped many different ways to reflect anything that North Dakota takes pride in.

It doesn't appear the consultants are using the urban dictionary for their research; if they were, Sundogs would've also been flagged as dirty. I think they're just looking at the potential challenges of rebranding a very well known condom as a nickname. I think their role is to help point out problems that could arise, and steer schools away from making risky/risqué decisions that could result in a choice that winds up backfiring.

Maybe the same committee and consultants could convene and decide on the name of the new stadium?

The bolded part.... are you referring to Roughriders, or Sundoggers? Please specify.... :-)

All the remaining new nickname choices fail to live up to the parameters set forth at the beginning of this process... and I find none of them to be great choices. But, with what's left, If a nickname is chosen, i'd be fine with one of the Hawks, or Nodaks. North Dakota is filled with Hawks. Watching them sit stoically on a post, or hunt their prey in the fields never gets old. Nodaks probably works for a majority of the no nickname crowd, and would allow for many possibilities for mascots and logos that reflect North Dakota pride.

As has been pointed out, people can vote multiple times on some of these newspaper polls, and here at SiouxSports there's what, a hundred plus rubes that have voted.... is that enough to have a true pulse of all those who may vote? a lot of people have mentioned we need to have a nickname, as it's important for branding, and like Norm on Cheers, everyone will now know our name. Nationwide, worldwide even. But, when the consultants recommend that Roughrider is a poor choice for marketing and branding reasons because, outside of the immediate region, it is only well known for its dirty connotation, the pro nickname/pro Roughrider folks apparently all of a sudden don't care about branding and marketing ability outside the immediate region anymore. It's an interesting take, for sure. The consultants have probably taken 5 minutes to read the Wikipedia entry concerning Roughriders, and realized that the Roughriders were not North Dakotans. Only one Roughrider, a 16 year old son of the Head Veterinarian at NDSU, was from North Dakota. The consultants are most likely struggling with the tangential link to get from southwestern U.S. cavalry group, to Teddy Roosevelt's time in North Dakota, to North Dakota nickname. (oh that's right, there's an award, lol) The consultants probably don't understand why some people are interested in choosing a condom name that creates marketing and branding challenges. The consultants were hired for a reason. Hopefully the committee doesn't go all rube and just do their own thing without taking any advice. Hopefully the committee listens to the consultants' concerns. Where the rubber meets the road, Roughriders might be a hard sell.

I suppose the consulting firm's concern is if Roughriders is chosen, UND will be subject to a lot of ribbing.

Lol yes, apparently they do.

Anyone know what was said in the meeting that prompted them to eliminate Cavalry and Explorers before the voting tonight?

LOL Hopefully those Sundoggers used a Roughrider.

I don't believe " Teddy Roosevelt" is one of the remaining choices..

Did anyone mention pride being joined at the hip with gay? Or didn't anyone have the balls to say that?

When they say "immigrants" they're referring to Norwegians, right?

Chewey for President!!!