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So in other words, scenario 3 = scenario 1. They do not have a policy against it. I know that's not enough for the tinfoil hat crowd, but the reality is, it would be acceptable.

I was being facetious as you realize. Kelley announced that very morning that no nickname would still be given consideration, so that would also take the air out of any rally don't you think? To continue with facetious questions/answers..... How have the rallies for the other 5 options been? Poorly attended? Well attended? Wait what?! there haven't been any rallies? Wow given what we've learned here today, there must not be any support for those names.

I'll take a stab. No nickname forever folks are employed, while fighting Sioux forevers are not?

Two scenarios have been quite obvious to everyone for awhile now. 1. Kelley has asked and received permission, or 2. Kelley has gone to bed each night praying the no nickname supporters will go away, and has avoided asking the NCAA until he absolutely has to. If scenario 2 is true, he's probably asking the NCAA right now. OR, he's trying to find a way to justify having north stars and Sundogs as our only 2 options.

We weren't at the rally, because we do not agree with the fighting Sioux forever part of their stance.....maybe that's why it was poorly attended?

The reality we should be concerned with is today's reality/situation. You're comparing apples and oranges.

We're on two different wavelengths here- my post a couple posts back was referring to people saying opposing coaches will use it in the future as a recruiting strike against UND. I did not say, and was not referring to, the issue the NCAA may or may not have with going nickname less. My point, and I'll state it again, permission for going with no nickname will have been decided with the NCAA before UND goes ahead and officially chooses no nickname, (I have at least that much faith in the UND administration). Thus, rendering all the scare tactics mentioned here regarding opposing schools and recruiting, moot. Or as some mimes would say, mute.

They're not the ones using it as a scare tactic. People on here are the ones using it as a reason to be afraid of going with no nickname.

My pont was that question will be answered by then. We will not go forward with an option that creates instant sanctions. Which makes the entire discussion about opposing coaches another fear mongering scare tactic.

How would not having a nickname be used against UND by other teams' coaches? Would they sit in a recruit's living room and say you know, UND doesn't have a nickname, so, Neener Neener Neener? Or am I missing something here?

I would pass your litmus test. Since we're all speculating here anyway, my thoughts are that the number of people content with going forward without a nickname, (permanently, even if Fighting Sioux magically became an option again,) is much larger than you might think. The number of people content with no nickname continued to grow after each committee meeting, as one by one, good choices that either meant something personally to North Dakotans, and also pretty much all animal choices for that matter, were eliminated, and we were left with 5 steaming piles of poo. I would venture to say that at this point, the fighting Sioux forever folks are a small minority of the people desiring to have no nickname. I for one am not interested in attending rallies put on by the fighting Sioux forever people. As others have mentioned on here, they undermine the legitimacy of the idea of going nickname-less when they show up in Sioux apparel and shout Sioux cheers. Coupled with Kelley's wishy washy statement made about possibly including North Dakota as an option again, maybe this helps explain why their rally was poorly attended.

I think I speak for everyone on this board when I say we don't really care what the end result of this process is, as long as the unaffiliated folks in Colorado and Arizona are happy, that's all that matters. *

Haha. Well, at least she doesn't like roughriders the best! :-)

I have always liked your arrow idea. You've provided a great example of what can be done to enhance the ND logo if we move forward without a nickname.

My goal was a little levity- I shouldn't have quoted you directly- sorry about that. I just couldn't resist everyone's '1 out of, 2 out of, 3 out of' talk.

Lol. So you don't want positive exposure for the university based on uniqueness, which was one of the criteria the committee was considering? Lol. I don't always win debates; but when I do, I drink Dos Equis. Cheers, friend!

If we are still getting extra air time from announcers that want to talk about how unique we are 10 years down the road, I would consider it yet another reason why going with no nickname is a good choice.

What do 4 out of 5 dentists think?

Unless those schools live in a cave, they will have heard. But if they do in fact live in a cave and we choose a new nickname, they will also be wasting valuable pre broadcast and broadcast time, talking about the" new" name, even if it's 5 years down the road due to their aforementioned cave dwelling lifestyle. So now the discussion has come full circle. Talking about new name/talking about no name = same amount of time spent talking about each. Glad we solved that. Thank you.

I disagree. I can't imagine a scenario where the other schools and the media repeatedly ask the same questions over and over again every few months. That's sort of the definition of insanity.

So if I'm reading this correctly, if UND goes forward without a nickname, valuable broadcast and pre broadcast time will be wasted. But, if UND does choose a nickname, zero time will be wasted, as no one from other schools will bother to ask about the new name or how it was chosen; it will be just business as usual and the new name will only be uttered as a last resort during the course of live game action. Got it.

Eleventy-two?

I've got it; let's just have Darell's mom and Jayson Hadju decide on the name for us.

You just answered your own question as to why he was put on the ice. Had nothing to do with the choice North Dakota still being on the nickname list at the time.

That's a far milder conspiracy theory than the one about our least favorite hockey ref, sending us a "message" from the NCAA that we better pick a name. Just saying- plenty of speculation from all sides.