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Conference Realignments - Take 2

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1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Of our Bison, Jacks and Yotes posters on the board, who do you see being the 10th team (lets say for the sake of argument that IPFW isn't going anywhere).  Do you go with the retread in UMKC or do you try something new in UNC? Or a surprise option?

UMKC or UNC not sure what the difference is. 

I'd love to grab NMSU but that seems unlikely. 

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13 minutes ago, FargoBison said:

UMKC or UNC not sure what the difference is. 

I'd love to grab NMSU but that seems unlikely. 

If we are basing on athletic programs I’d argue UNC would be more competitive than UMKC.  Now location wise would I rather go to KC or Greely? That’s an easy choice.  Both would solve an auto bid issue for separate reasons (UMKC for men’s soccer, UNC for baseball).  Of course the FB could be an issue for UNC as well. I’d like them try something new than do a retread. 

I too would love NMSU, but I think there would need to be further WAC instability before that can be a possibility. 

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Honestly, it would be ideal if IPFW left and we brought in both UNC and UMKC. 

The Summit would basically be a true great plains league at that point. 

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2 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

UND-NDSU

SDSU-USD

OMAHA-WIU

DENVER-UNC

UMKC-ORU

Not bad. 

That's not bad.  But even better if the Summit also brings in MT-MTState and ID-IDState and starts a football league.  

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WIU is set to fiscally implode.
That staves off needing UMKC.

Let ORU go back south. (Do they really want Fargo in January?)
And that staves off "Greeley". 

UND-NDSU
SDSU-USD
Omaha-Denver (easy flight)
Montana-Montana State
Idaho-EWU

There's 8FB, 10BB (7 FB games, 18 BB games). 

Perfect would be one more FCS and one more BB only (9 FB, 12 BB; for 8 FB games*, 22 BB games).
Yes, this is where some bring up UNC and UMKC as the solution to that. 

 

*Home/road annual balance.

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6 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

UND-NDSU

SDSU-USD

OMAHA-WIU

DENVER-UNC

UMKC-ORU

Not bad. 

WIU won't tolerate a Summit football conference.   They will leave as that too much travel for everything.

UNC wouldnt get accepted by the MVFC even if the Summit was just going after their Olympic sports.   UNC will stay West to protect all their sports as five isnt enough for Summit fb.

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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

WIU is set to fiscally implode.
That staves off needing UMKC.

Let ORU go back south. (Do they really want Fargo in January?)
And that staves off "Greeley". 

UND-NDSU
SDSU-USD
Omaha-Denver (easy flight)
Montana-Montana State
Idaho-EWU

There's 8FB, 10BB (7 FB games, 18 BB games). 

Perfect would be one more FCS and one more BB only (9 FB, 12 BB; for 8 FB games*, 22 BB games).
Yes, this is where some bring up UNC and UMKC as the solution to that. 

 

*Home/road annual balance.

EWU isn't going now. CWU wil be brought to the according to their President for 2020 specifically for EWU travel. Chaves knew what was coming and he decided to move to a program that is elevating.  EWU can't afford to elevate itself, even with a couple years of pleas to fundraise for a new stadium.  EWU just threw in the towel and punted.

Weber St is building an athlete workout building attached to their 18k stadium that will be remarkably like Montana's upgrade.  Weber St will be Mont St travel partner and Montana will partner with Idaho.

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3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

You were so, so close until you said "Idaho State". 

The correct response is "Eastern Washington". 

Lol.  Fair enough.  And I definitely would love EWU.   I just assumed there'd be some state politics at play in Idaho that would require the pairing.

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https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2018/03/10/mountain-west-looking-to-expand-hasnt-contacted-ndsu/

This is rather funny that McFeely even writes about it.  But Fargo is the center of the world so NDSU must be important.

NDSU won’t get an FBS bite from anyone, not the MAC or Sun Belt,  even after six FCS rings.  Ga Southern and Appalachian St were bored to death at less than those.  NDSU knows it needs to transform the Summit into an FBS conference, which is why UND got invited and why the Montana’s and Idaho will join.

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5 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

https://mcfeely.areavoices.com/2018/03/10/mountain-west-looking-to-expand-hasnt-contacted-ndsu/

This is rather funny that McFeely even writes about it.  But Fargo is the center of the world so NDSU must be important.

NDSU won’t get an FBS bite from anyone, not the MAC or Sun Belt,  even after six FCS rings.  Ga Southern and Appalachian St were bored to death at less than those.  NDSU knows it needs to transform the Summit into an FBS conference, which is why UND got invited and why the Montana’s and Idaho will join.

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

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1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

That is a great comment to this article.

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1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Maybe McFeeley writes this to shut Lakesbison up from his FBS talk. So he won’t call into the show spouting off how NDSU would be the next Alabama.

He writes it to get clicks, because that is what sells advertising.

But shutting Lakesbison's mouth is a definite bonus! ;)

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Gonzaga backed out of next seasons Diamond Head Classic presumably because UNLV was also there.  Two teams from the same conference would not be smart.  Sounds like the Zags are needed for the MWC with the announcement after the Zags are done in the tournament.  The WCC will need to add a team or two (depending on if BYU leaves too, as the Zags are by far the most  Seattle should gets its bags packed for the WCC, which would make a death sentence for the WAC if they don’t add teams soon.

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So further confirmation that Gonzaga is going to the MWC, but nothing official yet:

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/csu/mens-basketball/2018/03/11/opinion-adding-gonzaga-would-big-bold-move-mw/414763002/

Whats makes this story so pertinent to the Summit is that Denver offered to pay the MWC up to $2 million annually to get membership.

Denver would probably go to the WCC and once Gonzaga is gone if offered.  It would be a natural travel partner with BYU.  Seattle won’t have access to Key Arena for the next couple of years, so they will only have their tiny gym (<1000) on campus.

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2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so what happens if denver goes wcc and omaha goes to the horizon/mvc/ovc???????????

Denver is not as critical for the Summit as they don't have baseball but do have Men's soccer.

Losing IPFW, Omaha, and ORU would be worse.

But suspect Denver will be vying for the WCC instead of staying in the Summit helping their hockey buddies.

They previously were offered a Big West spot if they paid that conference a travel allowance.  They turned it down.

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So when Gonzaga announces their move to the MVC, Denver might be the top choice for the WCC.  The Summit will be crying out for another school(s).

The Summit League and Kennedy better have a plan.  Confident that they do.

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31 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

So when Gonzaga announces their move to the MVC, Denver might be the top choice for the WCC.  The Summit will be crying out for another school(s).

The Summit League and Kennedy better have a plan.  Confident that they do.

According to Moser I believe the plan is to have Kennedy lock up campus and throw away the key.  

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23 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

According to Moser I believe the plan is to have Kennedy lock up campus and throw away the key.  

But NDSU is in the Summit, so nothing bad will ever happen to the Summit while they are in the league..  NDSU supposedly has a Big12 offer when they get a 60k stadium, is along the lines of what Moser would say.  The Summit could only then be doomed once NDSU has left.

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A story out of Terre Haute:

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/todd-aaron-golden-mvc-needs-to-be-aggressive-and-get/article_7395c85f-d8c2-5e76-bdfb-af68beb9ae4e.html

Within it, Elgin is quoted the MVC wouldn’t expand for 2018-2019.  Murray St would be the most natural school to make the MVFC to 12, so it make sense that Murray and it’s fb will be delayed to arrive the same season as UND.  Changing fb schedules at this late date lead to headaches.  Murray St and UALR to the MVC for 2019-20, and announced in a couple months is my best guess.  Murray St fans were 75% of the crowd at the OVC tournament, and that speaks money to Arch Madness.

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Don't think Denver moves.  They have a unique sports offering and the Summit just kind of let's them do their thing and doesn't make them line their sports offering up with the conference.  They have a pretty decent setup right now.  With UND coming in and UNO already here there is some cross conference familiarity with the schools.  What makes the WCC so much more attractive?  All the Gonzaga NCAA Tournament money they brought in?  Would they even get a share of it being the new school?  Is it worth the money to change everything?

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1 hour ago, Yote 53 said:

Don't think Denver moves.  They have a unique sports offering and the Summit just kind of let's them do their thing and doesn't make them line their sports offering up with the conference.  They have a pretty decent setup right now.  With UND coming in and UNO already here there is some cross conference familiarity with the schools.  What makes the WCC so much more attractive?  All the Gonzaga NCAA Tournament money they brought in?  Would they even get a share of it being the new school?  Is it worth the money to change everything?

So from a Summit perspective, how do they get to 10? From a Coyote perspective, who would you like to see brought in (realistic or pipedream)

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32 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

So from a Summit perspective, how do they get to 10? From a Coyote perspective, who would you like to see brought in (realistic or pipedream)

augie, mankato, or morningside

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