hrkac Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Why? Didn't he say about Portland, "Their facilities are great, the coaching staff is unbelievable"? Or am I reading Forever's quote wrong? You're not missing anything other than the obvious implication that there was something else involved. It's total conjecture tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightin' Indigenous Person Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 You're not missing anything other than the obvious implication that there was something else involved. It's total conjecture tho.... All of the top end talent have "advisors", who are really NHL agents. I believe that Jones' advisor is Crosby's agent. Those persons advise the top end players on the different opportunities before them. Jones is probably the 1st or 2nd pick in the next draft. He is on a different level. Those type of kids are steered, without exception, to Major Junior, and while there is some financial incentive to playing Major Junior, implying that money was exchanged under the table is in poor taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 All of the top end talent have "advisors", who are really NHL agents. I believe that Jones' advisor is Crosby's agent. Those persons advise the top end players on the different opportunities before them. Jones is probably the 1st or 2nd pick in the next draft. He is on a different level. Those type of kids are steered, without exception, to Major Junior, and while there is some financial incentive to playing Major Junior, implying that money was exchanged under the table is in poor taste. James van Riemsdyk #2, Kyle Turris #3, Erik Johnson #1, Jonathan Toews #3, Jack Johnson #3, Rick DiPietro #1, Dany Heatley #3 Top 3 picks in the NHL draft that played college hockey from the past 15 years. It doesn't include foreign players from places like Sweden. It also doesn't include other top end talent drafted lower than top 3. There are exceptions to the Major Junior rule. Many people on this forum understand that the vast majority of top end talent will end up in Major Juniors. The recent fines to Windsor also prove that some players do get money under the table to play Major Juniors. There is a pretty good chance that other teams also give extras to players. Several decisions by players to go Major Junior after committing to college hockey have been rather suspicious, so it is natural that some people will question the decisions of all players that consider both. Seth Jones seemed to give both an honest look and strongly considered both. But after having several 1st round type players change their minds at the last minute to go Major Junior, college hockey fans will wonder about everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USA Hockey Posted August 13, 2012 Share Posted August 13, 2012 This was from SiouxForever's post: ...I think UND has better everything all around, obviously The Ralph. I think coaching staff now with Berry helping the D out, is better than Portland's too. What won this kids selection is the brainwashing and the NHL grind schedule comparison with the WHL's schedule. We'll see how he develops throughout the WHL. I feel, no question he'll have a huge impact at the World Juniors this year. We shall see... I thought he was quoting Jones in the post. So my logic was that if UND had everything better all around, then why go to Portland? I didn't realize that it was SiouxForever's comment and not Seth's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You just named 7 players....7. Argument over. Did you read the post I quoted? Obviously you didn't. It said "Those type of kids are steered, without exception, to Major Junior,". That is a patently false statement, as I pointed out in my post. I listed 7 exceptions, plus there were a few European players that I didn't list. So the post that said they play Major Junior without exception can't possibly be true. That's what happens when you make absolute statements, they can be very hard to support because there are usually exceptions of some kind. In my post I also said that the vast majority do play Major Juniors. That is a fact. No one is disputing it. But there are players that don't go through Major Juniors and still are top end talent. They are rare, but they do happen. If you could see through your Major Junior obsession you would see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 You just named 7 players....7. Argument over. You're blasting a great post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Did you read the post I quoted? Obviously you didn't. It said "Those type of kids are steered, without exception, to Major Junior,". That is a patently false statement, as I pointed out in my post. I listed 7 exceptions, plus there were a few European players that I didn't list. So the post that said they play Major Junior without exception can't possibly be true. That's what happens when you make absolute statements, they can be very hard to support because there are usually exceptions of some kind. In my post I also said that the vast majority do play Major Juniors. That is a fact. No one is disputing it. But there are players that don't go through Major Juniors and still are top end talent. They are rare, but they do happen. If you could see through your Major Junior obsession you would see that. Sorry, you're right....I didn't read the entire post. My bad. I have simply been reading the same biased posts for 3 months now so I assumed you would be bashing major junior and saying how college hockey is the best way to go. I read your post....makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Did you read the post I quoted? Obviously you didn't. It said "Those type of kids are steered, without exception, to Major Junior,". That is a patently false statement, as I pointed out in my post. I listed 7 exceptions, plus there were a few European players that I didn't list. So the post that said they play Major Junior without exception can't possibly be true. That's what happens when you make absolute statements, they can be very hard to support because there are usually exceptions of some kind. In my post I also said that the vast majority do play Major Juniors. That is a fact. No one is disputing it. But there are players that don't go through Major Juniors and still are top end talent. They are rare, but they do happen. If you could see through your Major Junior obsession you would see that. Actually, now that I read your post, I still slightly disagree, because more and more kids ARE steered the major junior route. Hopefully with these fines coming down there will be a more level playing field. Also, more and more Europeans ARE coming to the CHL. For time's sake, google the last 3-4 drafts and check out where the kids came from and/or where they are going to play. From a kid I skate with that played for the NTDP a couple years back, their "advisors (or agents I call them)" really push hard for the real good kids to go play in the CHL. But you are correct in that a small amount of top end kids do come to the NCAA, hopefully that number continues to grow again. I miss the middle 2,000's where a decent number of top end kids started coming to college...then as fast as it started, it stopped. On the filp side, I'm starting to notice that more and more late bloomers are coming out of college and really making an impact in the pros. I like that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND99 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I believe Christian Evers, a big '97 defenseman, visited UND yesterday. Here is a profile with some iso footage (#15): http://reelhockeyscouting.com/category/birth-years/97-birthyear/evers-christian-97/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I believe Christian Evers, a big '97 defenseman, visited UND yesterday. Here is a profile with some iso footage (#15): http://reelhockeysco...s-christian-97/ Who is the point man for that red team (on the PP I believe)....he needs to come to visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxhockey1978 Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 maybe chris wilkie will help bring him to UND and I agree that kid on the red team needs to come visit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb1 Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 Saw Jackson and Berry with a potential recruit today. Not sure who the kid was and it appeared he was with his mother but the coaches were showing him around campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxhockey1978 Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 well i hope some knows so we can look him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDHockey Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 Saw Jackson and Berry with a potential recruit today. Not sure who the kid was and it appeared he was with his mother but the coaches were showing him around campus. Was it this kid? Sounds like he's been making visits to schools lately. http://www.sctimes.com/article/20120822/SPORTS03/308220012/Team-USA-hockey-berth-has-Cathedral-s-Poganski-demand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Anthony Walsh wants to be a Sioux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willythekid Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Anthony Walsh wants to be a Sioux. built like a brick you-know-what house comes to mind... I can already see him blowing guys up just like Oshie. Any word on what other D1 schools are/were interested in this kid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Funny story....I was sitting in the Wilkerson dining center with some friends when we see this puny little hockey player with a Salmon Arm fleece on sit down with what I would assume would be his dad and have a meal. Later that day we see him getting a tour of campus with I believe Cary Eades if I remember right. The whole conversation with my friends was "who the heck is this little guy?" No way is he going to make it at UND, way too small to be any good. Heck, when I walked past him when he was touring campus I had half a fricken foot on the kid, and I'm not the tallest guy in the world. We look the kid up.....Ryan Duncan.....no way he'll have that big of an impact though..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb1 Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Was it this kid? Sounds like he's been making visits to schools lately. http://www.sctimes.com/article/20120822/SPORTS03/308220012/Team-USA-hockey-berth-has-Cathedral-s-Poganski-demand No I am almost positive it was not this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDHockey Posted August 25, 2012 Share Posted August 25, 2012 Anthony Walsh wants to be a Sioux. His scoring total at Edina is pretty paltry. Only 1 goal and 16 points for a HS forward? 5 of those points being against a terrible Bloomington Kennedy team. I know we need grinders too but those types get recruited as 20 year olds. Not 17 year olds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 His scoring total at Edina is pretty paltry. Only 1 goal and 16 points for a HS forward? 5 of those points being against a terrible Bloomington Kennedy team. I know we need grinders too but those types get recruited as 20 year olds. Not 17 year olds. Agreed, those stats are terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Anthony Walsh wants to be a Sioux. Watching the video he appears to be quite athletic and comfortable with the puck, but his shot is gonna need some work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Yeah, a lot of guys want to play for the Sioux...doesn't mean it's gonna happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux rube Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Watching the video he appears to be quite athletic and comfortable with the puck, but his shot is gonna need some work. His skating could use a little work too in my opinion. A bit choppy not smooth at all. Love his size though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patatoe Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 No I am almost positive it was not this kid. How about this guy? http://mwehl.stats.p...3&seasonid=6812 Thought this was kind of interesting..Ryan Mantha is the son of Moe Mantha, former NHL defenseman and Windsor Spitfires GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxjoy Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Based on Schlossman's tweet (retweet), that's a pretty good guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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