UND Tennis

[Oxbow6]

5 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

How is UND this poor? 

Maybe those sitting in Twamley playing wastepaper basket basketball most of the day could chime in? 

[forksandspoons]

2 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

How does cutting the tennis programs fall under the ever-changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics?  Saving money so football can go FBS?   How many programs have USD, SDSU and NDSU cut in the last 11 years compared to 6 we have cut?

I was being sarcastic as that is the broad statement that Chaves uses to justify literally everything. 

[andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!!]

I will never understand how NDSU has so much money for athletics and UND so little.  This of course leads to the disparity in success across the athletic departments at the respective schools as well. 

[Oxbow6]

3 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

How does cutting the tennis programs fall under the ever-changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics?  Saving money so football can go FBS?   How many programs have USD, SDSU and NDSU cut in the last 11 years compared to 6 we have cut?

Pretty sure NDSU still has wrestling and baseball. I'm old enough to remember when UND did too.

[andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!!]

Extremely frustrating that we are now not set up to move to FBS as well due to the lack of 16 sports.

[forksandspoons]

Would love some more insight into this from Chaves, but we most likely won't get anything more than the canned statement put out by UND. 

State budgets? Football to FBS? Poor money management? 

I would like to know the WHY the tennis programs were losing nearly a million dollars a year and where that money will now be allocated. 

[AJS]

6 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Because UND is the only school analyzing the ever-changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics. 

I'm very pro getting to the minimum number of required sports that NCAA requires to maintain. I didn't realize now with the cuts they are at 15 (7 M, 8 W). I thought they were at 14, so that does change things for me a bit. Long-term goal has to be if your remaining peer schools go FBS, UND does to. Adding one W's sport, seems manageable to make that happen. Still, cutting two programs over a million $ a year, is a really bad look. The athletic budget is 37 million dollars.

Always UND, we'll see I guess if it pays off long-term. By that I mean, the dam breaks for the other Dakota schools, but I'm guessing they'll just raise the $ needed.

Until then, another black eye for No $ U. 

[forksandspoons]

2 minutes ago, AJS said:

I'm very pro getting to the minimum number of required sports that NCAA requires to maintain. I didn't realize now with the cuts they are at 15 (7 M, 8 W). I thought they were at 14, so that does change things for me a bit. Long-term goal has to be if your remaining peer schools go FBS, UND does to. Adding one W's sport, seems manageable to make that happen. Still, cutting two programs over a million $ a year, is a really bad look. The athletic budget is 37 million dollars.

Always UND, we'll see I guess if it pays off long-term. By that I mean, the dam breaks for the other Dakota schools, but I'm guessing they'll just raise the $ needed.

Until then, another black eye for No $ U. 

Good point - is this part of a long-term plan to eventually add a women's sport to offset new FBS football scholarships? I hope so, but with how things have gone since Chaves has got here, I'd give that less than a 1% chance. 

[Fratt Mattin]

I don’t see why this is so shocking to people. I’m always sad to see sports go, but it’s very hard to justify keeping a sport that was losing us $1 million per year

[UND1983]

17 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Pretty sure NDSU still has wrestling and baseball. I'm old enough to remember when UND did too.

Ever seen that big building that has ice in it?  They can have grappling and baseball

[southpaw]

UND men's basketball has around a $100,000 a year budget for paying players, 10% of ORU and STU.

With UND opting in, they can directly use part of the savings to get and retain players in revenue sports.

[gfhockey]

39 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Because UND is the only school analyzing the ever-changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics. 

Philosophically?

 

why don’t we cut the bad teams and keep the good ones

[gfhockey]

27 minutes ago, andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! said:

I will never understand how NDSU has so much money for athletics and UND so little.  This of course leads to the disparity in success across the athletic departments at the respective schools as well. 

And NDSU has less student fees basically speaking their team makers really out fundraisers are champions club by a lot. Our champions club is not doing very good compared to them.

[Long Snapper 92]

Why is Chaves so bad at budgeting? I think we have an AD problem at our school 

[gfhockey]

Have we grown at all with Chase at the helm yes, we got the softball stadium, but he almost screwed that up and somebody had to come in and save that for him

[gfhockey]

Just now, Long Snapper 92 said:

Why is Chaves so bad at budgeting? I think we have an AD problem at our school 

Go look at his eastern Washington budget history

[sioux24/7]

There was 16 players total, 12 scholarships that were impacted. I think this was probably a low impact cut. Only 2 of the 16 players were from the US, that’s wild. They also play at Choice. Not like UND now has an empty facility. Idk it seems like a semi-logical cut on the surface. Would like to know the full reasoning and how the funds will now be used though. 

[forksandspoons]

Just now, gfhockey said:

Have we grown at all with Chase at the helm yes, we got the softball stadium, but he almost screwed that up and somebody had to come in and save that for him

Every article about the softball stadium literally quoted Albrecht saying he approached Armacost to donate to the program, not Chaves. That is telling. 

[gfhockey]

4 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Every article about the softball stadium literally quoted Albrecht saying he approached Armacost to donate to the program, not Chaves. That is telling. 

And what baffles me is he had to approach ys

 not us approa ch ing him like ndsu does out west here

[AJS]

12 minutes ago, forksandspoons said:

Good point - is this part of a long-term plan to eventually add a women's sport to offset new FBS football scholarships? I hope so, but with how things have gone since Chaves has got here, I'd give that less than a 1% chance. 

Talked myself into it, I’m back in on this move. Emphasizing my thought that it’s insane in the current landscape to have more than the minimum amount of required sports (even if it’s just one). Cut both, it’s clean. Redistribute the $ & scholarships to other programs. Hit reset. Hunt for a W sport to offset potential FBS move. It’s a great plan. We’ll see. Do I think this is likely from Bill Chavez? No. 

[TheFlop]

If the tennis programs were losing a million per year they should have been cut years ago.  How many of you can genuinely say you have been to...or know someone that has been to a UND tennis game...or watched one being streamed....ever?  

[andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!!]

5 minutes ago, AJS said:

Talked myself into it, I’m back in on this move. Emphasizing my thought that it’s insane in the current landscape to have more than the minimum amount of required sports (even if it’s just one). Cut both, it’s clean. Redistribute the $ & scholarships to other programs. Hit reset. Hunt for a W sport to offset potential FBS move. It’s a great plan. We’ll see. Do I think this is likely from Bill Chavez? No. 

I can largely agree with what you have stated here. 

[gfhockey]

Anyone ever find out where the $3mill we saved from. Women’s hockey weny

[Oxbow6]

54 minutes ago, southpaw said:

UND men's basketball has around a $100,000 a year budget for paying players, 10% of ORU and STU.

With UND opting in, they can directly use part of the savings to get and retain players in revenue sports.

Least UND can overpay for JUCO/NAIA/D2 stiffs that will be here for a year then move on for more money.

[Fratt Mattin]

I really only see upside to this move. If you earmark even half of what we will save on tennis for revenue share for hockey, that’s at least 2-3 top six caliber forwards you can now pay for. Take the other half and put it toward rev share for football and now we’re really cooking