Fire Berry Please!

[MafiaMan]

3 minutes ago, AJS said:

We’re a week or two from absolutes.

• No home ice

• Make the Frozen Faceoff?

• Make the NCAA tournament 

• Win a tournament game

• Make Frozen Four

• Win National title 

Again, bringing up Bubba. The question I have is once you have a large enough body of work, does your coaching tenure ultimately come down to one game? IF the Football team beat Illinois State & finished 6-6, would Bubba still be coaching? IMO, not getting home ice is a big deal. I’m a believer that it’ll come down to a game. If they don’t make it to St. Paul or if they do and lose the first night. Berry won’t be coaching at UND next year. If they make it to the Championship and lose, I think he’s back, no extension. If they make a run and make NCAAs, extension. 

 

FFS, they won a title 9 years ago and beat powerhouse AIC in the first round once, what further evidence do you need of Berry’s post-season ability?  Build the statue outside of REA already!

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, MafiaMan said:

FFS, they won a title 9 years ago and beat powerhouse AIC in the first round once, what further evidence do you need of Berry’s post-season ability?  Build the statue outside of REA already!

Love the sarcasm! 😂 

[MafiaMan]

6 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Love the sarcasm! 😂 

It’s a gift, I know.  I’m just fortunate to be able to share it with everyone here.

[AJS]

9 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

FFS, they won a title 9 years ago and beat powerhouse AIC in the first round once, what further evidence do you need of Berry’s post-season ability?  Build the statue outside of REA already!

My post is what I think will happen, not what I want to happen. If I’m Chaves, I would clearly communicate now (before the end of the season) that the university will be going a new direction following next year, regardless of results, unless $ can be secured for a buyout.  Quietly fundraise. The two options are known by Berry. 

[MGsioux]

28 minutes ago, AJS said:

My post is what I think will happen, not what I want to happen. If I’m Chaves, I would clearly communicate now (before the end of the season) that the university will be going a new direction following next year, regardless of results, unless $ can be secured for a buyout.  Quietly fundraise. The two options are known by Berry. 

Why is everyone so concerned about the buyout ? One phone call to mafia man and you would have all the money you need.  They don't call him mafia for nothing 

[The Sicatoka]

53 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

FFS, they won a title 9 years ago and beat powerhouse AIC in the first round once, what further evidence do you need of Berry’s post-season ability?  Build the statue outside of REA already!

You broke my snark detector.

[The Sicatoka]

We will see what Chaves learned from football last fall. 

[gfhockey]

1 hour ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

But apparel , food and beer sales suffer. 

Agreed. Ralph measures revenue per ticket

[Sweethockey]

Who do I get rebate from for my season tickets for this past year? Those are entertainment dollars that I certainly did not get the value of what they cost. I used to think that it was a bargain for the entertainment VALUE of the product that was put on the ice. Not so much anymore...

[siouxweet]

1 minute ago, Sweethockey said:

Who do I get rebate from for my season tickets for this past year? Those are entertainment dollars that I certainly did not get the value of what they cost. I used to think that it was a bargain for the entertainment VALUE of the product that was put on the ice. Not so much anymore...

Contact Harvey Specter for a class action law suit against the program 

[gfhockey]

23 minutes ago, Sweethockey said:

Who do I get rebate from for my season tickets for this past year? Those are entertainment dollars that I certainly did not get the value of what they cost. I used to think that it was a bargain for the entertainment VALUE of the product that was put on the ice. Not so much anymore...

We get another credit

[Oxbow6]

1 minute ago, gfhockey said:

We get another credit

To go along with the FB playoff tickets?

Time to bring DOGE to Twamley??

[Oxbow6]

3 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

It’s a gift, I know.  I’m just fortunate to be able to share it with everyone here.

 

[HrkacValet]

16 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

 

Hire him asap.

[tnt]

1 hour ago, HrkacValet said:

Hire him asap.

Very thought provoking, and complete opposite of what we see with UND’s sit back approach, especially when we have a lead.  He sounds like the type of coach that can get his players to fulfill his game plan, rather than one that has to continually rehash how his team needs to play hard from the opening faceoff and play a complete 60.  Very impressed, and wonder if Berry can explain his philosophy with as much detail.  

[siouxkid12]

22 hours ago, AJS said:

We’re a week or two from absolutes.

• No home ice

• Make the Frozen Faceoff?

• Make the NCAA tournament 

• Win a tournament game

• Make Frozen Four

• Win National title 

Again, bringing up Bubba. The question I have is once you have a large enough body of work, does your coaching tenure ultimately come down to one game? IF the Football team beat Illinois State & finished 6-6, would Bubba still be coaching? IMO, not getting home ice is a big deal. I’m a believer that it’ll come down to a game. If they don’t make it to St. Paul or if they do and lose the first night. Berry won’t be coaching at UND next year. If they make it to the Championship and lose, I think he’s back, no extension. If they make a run and make NCAAs, extension. 

 

Berry will be back next year regardless of how the season plays out. He has enough credentials to at least finish out his contract and honestly, it makes no sense wasting money on a buyout when that money could be used elsewhere (opening the assistant pool of money for all sports). The question that we should be discussing is, what happens after next year? Unfortunately, I think Chaves will extend him. Both sides of the aisle (fire berry/keep berry) have very good points on why they do or do not want Berry around (I'm in the camp of finding a new voice).

Ideally, I would like to see a new AD before any coach gets an extension. 

[AJS]

25 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Berry will be back next year regardless of how the season plays out. He has enough credentials to at least finish out his contract and honestly, it makes no sense wasting money on a buyout when that money could be used elsewhere (opening the assistant pool of money for all sports). The question that we should be discussing is, what happens after next year? Unfortunately, I think Chaves will extend him. Both sides of the aisle (fire berry/keep berry) have very good points on why they do or do not want Berry around (I'm in the camp of finding a new voice).

Ideally, I would like to see a new AD before any coach gets an extension. 

I really do think things are still TBD. I would say if they don't make it out of Omaha, there's a higher % chance he's not back next year over he is. Or if they lose in 1st game of the Frozen Faceoff. There's a third option, you didn't mention and that's Berry essentially stepping down and pursuing another avenue (Asst in NHL / AHL, scouting). That would absolutely make the most sense to me. His legacy would stay intact. 

[fightingsioux4life]

57 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

Berry will be back next year regardless of how the season plays out. He has enough credentials to at least finish out his contract and honestly, it makes no sense wasting money on a buyout when that money could be used elsewhere (opening the assistant pool of money for all sports). The question that we should be discussing is, what happens after next year? Unfortunately, I think Chaves will extend him. Both sides of the aisle (fire berry/keep berry) have very good points on why they do or do not want Berry around (I'm in the camp of finding a new voice).

Ideally, I would like to see a new AD before any coach gets an extension. 

Like he does everyone else around here.

I would hope he would have learned from the March 2024 extension of Bubba, which he had to eat 9 months later.

[siouxkid12]

7 minutes ago, AJS said:

I really do think things are still TBD. I would say if they don't make it out of Omaha, there's a higher % chance he's not back next year over he is. Or if they lose in 1st game of the Frozen Faceoff. There's a third option, you didn't mention and that's Berry essentially stepping down and pursuing another avenue (Asst in NHL / AHL, scouting). That would absolutely make the most sense to me. His legacy would stay intact. 

I didn't mention it because I don't believe for a second that he would leave the HC job at UND for an assistant job in the AHL (he isn't heading to the NHL) or a scouting job, especially since he has already been there. 
Again, he will finish out his contract no matter how it plays out this year, after that it's a crapshoot. His legacy will not change if he falters this year or next. He will always be remembered as a coach who brought us a national title, 5 NCHC regular season titles, 4 Herb Brooks Coach of the Year, 1 Spenser Penrose Award, and over 200 wins. 

[AJS]

12 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

His legacy will not change if he falters this year or next. He will always be remembered as a coach who brought us a national title, 5 NCHC regular season titles, 4 Herb Brooks Coach of the Year, 1 Spenser Penrose Award, and over 200 wins. 

That certainly is one way to look at it. I see you subscribe to the Schlossman school of journalism. Nothing you wrote is a lie. Some would argue you’re only telling half the story. Regardless, time will tell. 

[Frozen4sioux]

31 minutes ago, AJS said:

I really do think things are still TBD. I would say if they don't make it out of Omaha, there's a higher % chance he's not back next year over he is. Or if they lose in 1st game of the Frozen Faceoff. There's a third option, you didn't mention and that's Berry essentially stepping down and pursuing another avenue (Asst in NHL / AHL, scouting). That would absolutely make the most sense to me. His legacy would stay intact. 

This is the key to how things matriculate and everybody saves face and offers all parties an "excuse" for portal losses, saves the university money, takes Chaves off the hook, keeps the culture intact, it's just got to be the way.   

NOBODY (except 1 guy's bank account) wins by finishing out next season if players leave, commits de commit, and players don't commit to a coach on the final year of a deal after turbulent times.......season goes worse than this year. Everybody's image is tarnished. Leaves a coach basically calling it a coaching career ..  but probably still making good coin as a scout or consulting. Hockey protects hockey after all.

The midwestern nice thing is to let everyone save face and bow out graciously....

 

but all that speculation doesn't matter after a historic frozen faceoff win and a drive to the frozen 4. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

2 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I didn't mention it because I don't believe for a second that he would leave the HC job at UND for an assistant job in the AHL (he isn't heading to the NHL) or a scouting job, especially since he has already been there. 
Again, he will finish out his contract no matter how it plays out this year, after that it's a crapshoot. His legacy will not change if he falters this year or next. He will always be remembered as a coach who brought us a national title, 5 NCHC regular season titles, 4 Herb Brooks Coach of the Year, 1 Spenser Penrose Award, and over 200 wins. 

And was one the road 3 times for the first round of Nchc playoffs and one win in the NCAA’s since 2016 and missing it three times. 

[siouxkid12]

17 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

And was one the road 3 times for the first round of Nchc playoffs and one win in the NCAA’s since 2016 and missing it three times. 

That is not lost on me either but you can't have just think about it one dimensionally, you have to give credit where its due too. Are you honestly going to sit there and say Berry is a terrible coach? No you aren't because you know he isn't one. 

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

That is not lost on me either but you can't have just think about it one dimensionally, you have to give credit where its due too. Are you honestly going to sit there and say Berry is a terrible coach? No you aren't because you know he isn't one. 

We are irrelevant nationally. That is the standard around here, fair or not. And that has to change. Because I don't want to have happen to us what happened with Wisconsin at the end of the Eaves era.

[siouxkid12]

31 minutes ago, AJS said:

That certainly is one way to look at it. I see you subscribe to the Schlossman school of journalism. Nothing you wrote is a lie. Some would argue you’re only telling half the story. Regardless, time will tell. 

Nope, I just give credit when its due and criticism when its due (and I have done it to Schlossman too)
I am not arguing for him to get a contract extension, I am just saying he will finish out his deal as its nonsense to buy him out. What's the point of paying a huge buyout when his contract is up in a year? Plus, UND already runs its athletic programs on a D2 budget.