2024-25 ND High School Hockey

[yzerman19]

14 hours ago, Johnny Five said:

Good lord.  8-0 West Fargo over DL.  Mattern with 4 and 1.

Mayport Red River 0-0 after 1.  

So Mattern kid is racking up the points!  84 now?  What is the record and who holds it from which school?  

Chad Skarperud was pretty gross, Steve Johnson before him...Panzer brothers were gross..Kulbrunner from Grafton...I am stretching my memory to the 80's-90's...Ascheim and Peluso put up big numbers in a weak West, Phillion. I'm dating myself

 

[Johnny Five]

1 hour ago, Sodbuster said:

So is Warroad's girls' game on TV anywhere tomorrow at 1:00?

Yeah a friend from "warroad" sent a link for NSPN.TV

[Johnny Five]

45 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

So Mattern kid is racking up the points!  84 now?  What is the record and who holds it from which school?  

Chad Skarperud was pretty gross, Steve Johnson before him...Panzer brothers were gross..Kulbrunner from Grafton...I am stretching my memory to the 80's-90's...Aschoff and Peluso put up big numbers in a weak West, Phillion. I'm dating myself

 

I thought Cunningham said on KNOX tonight it's Peluso with 99.

[yzerman19]

Peluso couldn't skate...if dude could skate he would've been in the NHL as a regular

 

[gfhockey]

34 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

Yeah a friend from "warroad" sent a link for NSPN.TV

Pm me?

[Wilbur]

Devils Lake ran into a buzz saw tonight.  Forsberg took himself out of the game after goal #7.  Backup kid did well, although he did get undressed by Mattern on goal #8.

Red River and West Fargo in what should be a battle on Friday night at Purpur Arena.

[sioux rube]

[Wilbur]

Not very exciting hockey on day 1 of the EDC tournament.  My Fargo North connections tell me that they started the wrong kid in the net in their loss against Davies.  Now they are backs against the wall against GPR with a date with RR or WFHS if they get past the Spoilers.  I think that WFHS-RR game has OT written all over it.  

The other side you have Mayport against DL, and Davies and Central.  I think Central punches their ticket to state and DL beats Mayport.  Davies vs. Devil Lake to go to the state tournament.      

[Brim006]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

Not very exciting hockey on day 1 of the EDC tournament.  My Fargo North connections tell me that they started the wrong kid in the net in their loss against Davies.  Now they are backs against the wall against GPR with a date with RR or WFHS if they get past the Spoilers.  I think that WFHS-RR game has OT written all over it.  

The other side you have Mayport against DL, and Davies and Central.  I think Central punches their ticket to state and DL beats Mayport.  Davies vs. Devil Lake to go to the state tournament.      

It appears that #5 vs #6 spot didn't really make much of a difference, as both DL and FN have to beat WF or Davies one way or another to make it to state anyways. DL maybe peaked a tiny bit early and WF seems to be on fire. 

As of today, it appears that the #6 seed has a slightly more favorable route than #5 does. Mayport should be a little more beatable than GPR and FD should be more beatable than WF. 

[Big Green]

19 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

It appears that #5 vs #6 spot didn't really make much of a difference, as both DL and FN have to beat WF or Davies one way or another to make it to state anyways. DL maybe peaked a tiny bit early and WF seems to be on fire. 

As of today, it appears that the #6 seed has a slightly more favorable route than #5 does. Mayport should be a little more beatable than GPR and FD should be more beatable than WF. 

IMO the way the ND does their Class A Tournaments the 5 Seed and 8 Seeds are the worse Seeds.  If you are the 5 Seed you need to go the 4 Seeds home Ice in the first round and if you don't win you are behind the 8 ball as you are going to more that likely need to beat the 2 or 3 seed in the State qualifier.  Would much rather be the 6 or 7 as if you can win the loser out game you have a likely match up with the 4 seed on neutral ice to go to state.

 

 

[Speez]

It's the state championship tournament. It should be you lose your out.  It's not a mite tournament where you're guaranteed 4 games and you need a loser bracket to get every team 4 games if you win or lose.

[Brim006]

14 hours ago, Speez said:

It's the state championship tournament. It should be you lose your out.  It's not a mite tournament where you're guaranteed 4 games and you need a loser bracket to get every team 4 games if you win or lose.

Yeah let's do that! Lose and you're out! So then the WDA would only bring 1 team to state and EDC would only bring 1 team to state. Seems like a phenomenal idea, let's try it 

[sioux rube]

8 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Yeah let's do that! Lose and you're out! So then the WDA would only bring 1 team to state and EDC would only bring 1 team to state. Seems like a phenomenal idea, let's try it 

I believe he's talking about if you lose at state you are done. Still a dumb idea 

[Brim006]

4 minutes ago, sioux rube said:

I believe he's talking about if you lose at state you are done. Still a dumb idea 

Hehe. 

The comment right before his was referencing the seeding and cross bracketing for elimination games at the conference tournaments. The setup definitely has it's cons, but overall it seems to work fine. I do think the WDA should follow the EDC and give the higher seed home ice advantage for the 1st game which gives a little extra boost in reward for placing top 4. Plus having 2 days break before the final 2 games seems to elevate the speed of the games. 

[Big Green]

20 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Yeah let's do that! Lose and you're out! So then the WDA would only bring 1 team to state and EDC would only bring 1 team to state. Seems like a phenomenal idea, let's try it 

Top 2 Regular season Teams advance to State automatically and get a bye week before state.  Remaining teams are split into 4 Divisions hosted in Fargo, GF, Bismarck and Minot.  Whatever teams advance from the 4 divisions go to state.  This should get better teams at state and puts emphasis on win or go home.

This year Central, Red River, Minot and Century advance to state automatically and the Playin's being.

Bismarck Play in

Legacy vs Mayville

Devils Lake vs Williston

Winners play to go to state

 

Minot Play in

Mandan vs GPR

North vs Bismarck

Winners play to go to state

 

Fargo Play in

WF vs Hazen Beulah

Bottineau vs Sheyenne

Winners play to go to state

 

Grand Forks Play in

Davies vs Dickinson

Jamestown vs South/Shanley

Winners play to go to state

 

 

[Brim006]

2 minutes ago, Big Green said:

Top 2 Regular season Teams advance to State automatically and get a bye week before state.  Remaining teams are split into 4 Divisions hosted in Fargo, GF, Bismarck and Minot.  Whatever teams advance from the 4 divisions go to state.  This should get better teams at state and puts emphasis on win or go home.

This year Central, Red River, Minot and Century advance to state automaticly and the Playin's being.

Bismarck Play in

Legacy vs Mayville

Devils Lake vs Willistion

Winners play to go to state

 

Minot Play in

Mandan vs GPR

North vs Bismark

Winners play to go to state

 

Fargo Play in

WF vs Hazen Beulah

Bottineau vs Sheyenne

Winners play to go to state

 

Grand Forks Play in

Davies vs Dickinson

Jamestown vs South/Shanley

Winners play to go to state

 

 

I get the point and like the idea of shaking things up a bit, but I'll poke some holes in it right off the bat. NDHSH already has a common complaint or even "problem" of not getting enough games in a season with a max of 27. Auto-bid to state is great other than losing 11% of your games and having to lose any momentum by not playing during tournament time. So maybe the same idea/premise, but the top 2 from each conf just get a 1st game bye or something max, or just are rewarded by top seed and home ice 1st round and bump the bottom 2 out. 

Your setup would likely fulfill the long questioned East vs West setup bottlenecking 4 east teams to state in years when 6-7 of them are top 8 in the state. The way you have it set above, it looks like this year's state tournament would end up being 5 east teams and 3 west teams most likely. 

[sioux rube]

25 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Hehe. 

The comment right before his was referencing the seeding and cross bracketing for elimination games at the conference tournaments. The setup definitely has it's cons, but overall it seems to work fine. I do think the WDA should follow the EDC and give the higher seed home ice advantage for the 1st game which gives a little extra boost in reward for placing top 4. Plus having 2 days break before the final 2 games seems to elevate the speed of the games. 

I'm all for the higher seeds to get an opening round game at home. Makes the regular season games that much more important 

[Frozen4sioux]

51 minutes ago, sioux rube said:

I'm all for the higher seeds to get an opening round game at home. Makes the regular season games that much more important 

The EDC commentators on KNOX were talking about how awesome a day of 4 games in a row is but in reality, it's just the WDA hurting itself more and making it tougher on its teams.  It's terrible on the players. The 3 games in 3 days makes it more of a grind going into state. 

 As someone else pointed out IF WDA did the same Tuesday higher seed host, it would have been Century hosting Williston and Legacy hosting Bott at the VFW... it would have been electric having those games in Bismarck. 

There SHOULD be a higher reward for finishing top 4 in the region. 

Imagine a team Jamestown, Dickinson, Williston working their bag off and getting to play at HOME for once in the WDA vs always traveling to Minot or Bismarck.

 

Basically, it's the same argument for NCAA regional games to be hosted at higher seeds' rink.

But we gotta make it fair ... everyone gets a ribbon and a trophy in a neutral site.... everyone is a 1 seed in momma's special heart space.

 

Edit: apologies .... a 1 seed in every birthing person's special heart space.  Sorry if I offended.

 

[Clark17]

16 hours ago, Speez said:

It's the state championship tournament. It should be you lose your out.  It's not a mite tournament where you're guaranteed 4 games and you need a loser bracket to get every team 4 games if you win or lose.

First WDA tournament in 95 was loser out in first round - if you won you qualified for state with last 2 games for seeding purposes - changed it to double elimination following year - assume EDC was the same 

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, Clark17 said:

First WDA tournament in 95 was loser out in first round - if you won you qualified for state with last 2 games for seeding purposes - changed it to double elimination following year - assume EDC was the same 

I believe you are correct.

[siouxweet]

3 hours ago, Big Green said:

Top 2 Regular season Teams advance to State automatically and get a bye week before state.  Remaining teams are split into 4 Divisions hosted in Fargo, GF, Bismarck and Minot.  Whatever teams advance from the 4 divisions go to state.  This should get better teams at state and puts emphasis on win or go home.

This year Central, Red River, Minot and Century advance to state automatically and the Playin's being.

Bismarck Play in

Legacy vs Mayville

Devils Lake vs Williston

Winners play to go to state

 

Minot Play in

Mandan vs GPR

North vs Bismarck

Winners play to go to state

 

Fargo Play in

WF vs Hazen Beulah

Bottineau vs Sheyenne

Winners play to go to state

 

Grand Forks Play in

Davies vs Dickinson

Jamestown vs South/Shanley

Winners play to go to state

 

 

I would have a hard time seeing the NDHSAA sending Dickinson to GF for a play in game.

[gfhockey]

I think top two in east get in rest of edc wda do play in games

 

makes sense to have best top 8 teams in state state at the tourney then to have 5. 

[cberkas]

1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:

The EDC commentators on KNOX were talking about how awesome a day of 4 games in a row is but in reality, it's just the WDA hurting itself more and making it tougher on its teams.  It's terrible on the players. The 3 games in 3 days makes it more of a grind going into state. 

 As someone else pointed out IF WDA did the same Tuesday higher seed host, it would have been Century hosting Williston and Legacy hosting Bott at the VFW... it would have been electric having those games in Bismarck. 

There SHOULD be a higher reward for finishing top 4 in the region. 

Imagine a team Jamestown, Dickinson, Williston working their bag off and getting to play at HOME for once in the WDA vs always traveling to Minot or Bismarck.

 

Basically, it's the same argument for NCAA regional games to be hosted at higher seeds' rink.

But we gotta make it fair ... everyone gets a ribbon and a trophy in a neutral site.... everyone is a 1 seed in momma's special heart space.

 

Edit: apologies .... a 1 seed in every birthing person's special heart space.  Sorry if I offended.

 

Easier for the EDC to do this with everyone being along I-29. where the WDA covers most of the state so not as easy. Could maybe do it this was with a north/south (US-2/I-94) split. 

[Speez]

3 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Yeah let's do that! Lose and you're out! So then the WDA would only bring 1 team to state and EDC would only bring 1 team to state. Seems like a phenomenal idea, let's try it 

 

18 hours ago, Speez said:

It's the state CHAMPIONSHIP tournament. It should be you lose your out.  It's not a mite tournament where you're guaranteed 4 games and you need a loser bracket to get every team 4 games if you win or lose.

I"ll have to to remember to highlight key words for those with poor reading comprehensive skills.

[Frozen4sioux]

18 minutes ago, cberkas said:

Easier for the EDC to do this with everyone being along I-29. where the WDA covers most of the state so not as easy. Could maybe do it this was with a north/south (US-2/I-94) split. 

Grafton to Fargo 123 mi

Devils lake to Fargo 170 mi

Dickinson to Minot 170

Bott to Bismarck 170 miles

Williston to Bis 220 miles

Its not that valid of an argument   

and football and many other sports regular season and playoff travel just destroys anything left of the argument whatsoever.

 

Its the Willy to Jtown or Dix trips that are longer slogs... but the way it needs to be looked at is just more incentive to achieve and earn the home game. 

Not the woke lets inconvenience everybody equally attitude that rules now.