Non-UND College Hockey 2024-25

[cberkas]

In other not Gophers choking a NCAA game news:

 

[farce poobah]

1 hour ago, Wilbur said:

 

You need this in your day...

Thanks for posting.

Things are busy today in the Land of 10,000 Excuses. 😄

[siouxkid12]

20 minutes ago, cberkas said:

In other not Gophers choking a NCAA game news:

 

Brad Berry takes the LIU job and brings them to the national tournament next year.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Oh man. Best take out there. Violently!

[ND_Texan]

So the mighty vaunted Big Ten went 0 for 3 yesterday, and will likely go 0 for 4 after Penn State get taken down later today. Maybe the PW strength of schedule needs a reevaluation. Sending just two NCHC teams to the nationals looks rather flimsy right now.

[stoneySIOUX]

4 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Oh man. Best take out there. Violently!

HA! "Violently and rapidly".... also, when does it hit his toe?!?! Goodness, what a take.

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Yes we know

I like to point it out as there are still quite a number of folks who think we went “toe to toe” with WMU last weekend.  

[MafiaMan]

3 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

So the mighty vaunted Big Ten went 0 for 3 yesterday, and will likely go 0 for 4 after Penn State get taken down later today. Maybe the PW strength of schedule needs a reevaluation. Sending just two NCHC teams to the nationals looks rather flimsy right now.

Oh please.  Denver and WMU were light years ahead of everyone else this year in the NCHC outside of potentially ASU.  Everyone else is right where they should be.

[cberkas]

6 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

HA! "Violently and rapidly".... also, when does it hit his toe?!?! Goodness, what a take.

Reading some of the post on GPL and I have to ask what game did they watch?

"Three Gopher players in the neutral zone stopped skating and didn't get back to contest 3 on 2 and resulting GWG."

Me watching the replay: "There were 5 Gophers in the zone, and it was 3 on 3 with a lazy back checker not picking up the wing"

[1972]

5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

HA! "Violently and rapidly".... also, when does it hit his toe?!?! Goodness, what a take.

i do see it hit the toe, as he continues skating...and then he throws both feet out from under himself..hoping to draw the penalty...it was a good no call

[stoneySIOUX]

7 minutes ago, 1972 said:

i do see it hit the toe, as he continues skating...and then he throws both feet out from under himself..hoping to draw the penalty...it was a good no call

I keep seeing knee! Weird how we can all see it differently. The second part I 100% agree with

[ND_Texan]

5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Oh please.  Denver and WMU were light years ahead of everyone else this year in the NCHC outside of potentially ASU.  Everyone else is right where they should be.

Light years? ASU beat Denver 3 of 4 during the season, including both games on Denver home ice. Let's see, UND beat Boston U, Minn State, Providence, Denver and Western Michigan during the season. There's that. And I don't believe the Big Ten played anyone from the NCHC during the season other than in the Great Lakes Invitational. Yeah, I'm not sold on the PW formulation. College Hockey can do better.

[skateshattrick]

8 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

Light years? ASU beat Denver 3 of 4 during the season, including both games on Denver home ice. Let's see, UND beat Boston U, Minn State, Providence, Denver and Western Michigan during the season. There's that. And I don't believe the Big Ten played anyone from the NCHC during the season other than in the Great Lakes Invitational. Yeah, I'm not sold on the PW formulation. College Hockey can do better.

Minnesota lost to Omaha, but swept UMD and SCSU. Michigan split with SCSU, beat and tied ASU and split with WMU. I agree with you. 

[MafiaMan]

12 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

Light years? ASU beat Denver 3 of 4 during the season, including both games on Denver home ice. Let's see, UND beat Boston U, Minn State, Providence, Denver and Western Michigan during the season. There's that. 

They also lost 1 to BU, so that evens out, plus it was at home.  Going 2-6 against Denver and WMU is a GOOD thing?  That’s a combined 3-7 record against 3 good tournament teams.  There’s that.

[tnt]

26 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

So the mighty vaunted Big Ten went 0 for 3 yesterday, and will likely go 0 for 4 after Penn State get taken down later today. Maybe the PW strength of schedule needs a reevaluation. Sending just two NCHC teams to the nationals looks rather flimsy right now.

The bottom line is that the league has to win the non conference games, and they didn't do that.  It is that simple.   Our best team, Western, split with Michigan, and lost to Michigan State and Boston College, nevermind the rest of our league not taking care of their business in non conference. 

[90siouxfan]

2 minutes ago, tnt said:

The bottom line is that the league has to win the non conference games, and they didn't do that.  It is that simple.   Our best team, Western, split with Michigan, and lost to Michigan State and Boston College, nevermind the rest of our league not taking care of their business in non conference. 

Is performance against non-conference opponents playing too much of role in pairwise?

[tnt]

15 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

Light years? ASU beat Denver 3 of 4 during the season, including both games on Denver home ice. Let's see, UND beat Boston U, Minn State, Providence, Denver and Western Michigan during the season. There's that. And I don't believe the Big Ten played anyone from the NCHC during the season other than in the Great Lakes Invitational. Yeah, I'm not sold on the PW formulation. College Hockey can do better.

I don't think Berry himself would agree with your logic.  Win the games you are supposed to.   Since UND hasn't won a tournament game in forever, does that mean the pairwise was wrong to have them in the tournament?

[tnt]

1 minute ago, 90siouxfan said:

Is performance against non-conference opponents playing too much of role in pairwise?

How else would you propose to measure leagues against each other.  Fine don't use non-conference records, then we can have a tournament with all leagues like the CCHA and Atlantic hockey who have good records in conference play.   

[90siouxfan]

Just now, tnt said:

How else would you propose to measure leagues against each other.  Fine don't use non-conference records, then we can have a tournament with all leagues like the CCHA and Atlantic hockey who have good records in conference play.   

I have never dove into the pairwise system, and other than a common refrain "kratch is better" that used to be viewed alot, I have no knowledge how things should be adjusted.  I am grateful that it is not "smoke and cigars" situation, and enjoy the pairwise chatter as the season winds down.  And no I don't think our team deserved to be on the ice with what I have seen so far this year.

[skateshattrick]

4 minutes ago, tnt said:

The bottom line is that the league has to win the non conference games, and they didn't do that.  It is that simple.   Our best team, Western, split with Michigan, and lost to Michigan State and Boston College, nevermind the rest of our league not taking care of their business in non conference. 

I don't disagree, but other teams struggled in non-conference games and it didn't seem to matter. How do you explain Ohio State getting swept by Princeton and tying American International, Michigan splitting with SCSU, Minnesota losing to Omaha, BU losing to Yale and tying Harvard, UConn losing to Holy Cross, Vermont and UW, UMass losing to RPI, Omaha, Sacred Heart and Vermont twice??

[MafiaMan]

10 minutes ago, tnt said:

I don't think Berry himself would agree with your logic.  Win the games you are supposed to.   Since UND hasn't won a tournament game in forever, does that mean the pairwise was wrong to have them in the tournament?

The Pairwise must be tweaked until UND gets to at least 16th, those are the rules around here.  A loss and a tie to Bemidji State and an OT win against RMU should be viewed as anomalies, nothing more.

[MafiaMan]

20 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

I don't disagree, but other teams struggled in non-conference games and it didn't seem to matter. How do you explain Ohio State getting swept by Princeton and tying American International, Michigan splitting with SCSU, Minnesota losing to Omaha, BU losing to Yale and tying Harvard, UConn losing to Holy Cross, Vermont and UW, UMass losing to RPI, Omaha, Sacred Heart and Vermont twice??

Parity?  Bad puck luck?

[skateshattrick]

Just now, MafiaMan said:

Parity?  Bad luck luck?

No, UND made its own luck with bad non-conference performances, but it did go 2-1 against Hockey East teams still in the tournament and Hockey East got 6 teams in the tournament despite UMass and UConn having as bad or worse non-conference performances. Nobody really understands how the Pairwise works, but UMass losing to RPI, Omaha, Sacred Heart and Vermont twice and getting a 3 seed is puzzling. 

[Wilbur]

1 hour ago, Clark17 said:

I don't know?  I think that shoulda been called especially causing a change of possession.  Not intentionally advocating for the Gophers though as I love to watch them lose.  That weak side assignment reminds me of certain team the past few seasons.  

Right, remember we all hate the gophers! 

Just went super slowed down on the play because I'm being unproductive at work on a Friday after I was at Scheels until midnight yesterday. (my boss reads the forum and now knows this now as well....)

As Chesley or however you spell it is crossing over his right foot is in the air and coming down the exact moment the UMASS player tries to sweep check the puck.  The stick gets him on the toe of the boot enough that it causes him to lose his edge and go down.  Anyone who has skated knows that there are times where you step on a blade or a piece of tape or a screw on the ice and you take your spill wondering WTF just happened.

This did not cost Minnesota the game.  Mr. NIL not picking up his guy defensively and the gophers watching UMASS outwork them cost them that game.      

[Walsh Hall]

51 minutes ago, 1972 said:

i do see it hit the toe, as he continues skating...and then he throws both feet out from under himself..hoping to draw the penalty...it was a good no call

This might be the one time I would have been fine with offsetting minors for the trip and embellishment.  Two players were swinging their sticks and made contact with his lower leg/skate, but at the same time he went down pretty emphatically.