ND-fan Posted January 26 Author Posted January 26 Mallory since she was named coach has believed in star system of lead star with several skilled players that help complimented , that star player. She has never invested in developing team concept and offense concept running offense that creates offense by running that offense will create a good opportunity to get high percentage shot by running the offense. We again are creating this star system with Schiller but we also have star scorer in Pemberton now leaving very little for the team create assist to score. If your one of other players you take your shot whenever you get opportunity so very little concept of running offense that creates high percentage shots and winning by controlling possessions and winning the percentage over your opponent in successful possessions. This also reflects on turnovers and definitely assists. Yesterday NDSU runs offense that finds player who will have highest percentage of scoring. They got away from this in second quarter and some of that was from foul trouble. If you listened to Jory there coach he pretty much said that going into half. The second half did make this change and they gradually controlled second half on winning scoring possessions. They found Koenen on inside because we had hard time matching up to her size length and especially with how they got ball to her down low and we had no help for Horne to stop her down low besides fouling her. Which resulted in her fouling out. Mathern didn’t have much better luck until late when she blocked shot but referees had called fouls several possessions in row before that so let lot contact slide. This is how Jory has beat us 10 out of 11 times and how SDSU has beaten us for years. I have hoped Mallory would learn this but she wants to coach liked she played aggressive and up tempo but that is not how you win consistently. It works when you are deep in talent and out class your competition like we were when we were in division II but now when we’re like teams we played in division II and not going school with dominant talent. NDSU found this out when they moved up into division I and went through over 10 years of loosing but after falling to terrible program they went out found coach Jory that has transformed the program into program that is going to as successful small midmajor program can be in division I basketball. I thought maybe coach Hutter would teach her something but I don’t think Mallory can change but UND needs to change if we’re going to be successful. Quote
Kab Posted January 26 Posted January 26 I don’t think hutter had much say about that last play unfortunately ‘wonder what he would have called Quote
UND1983 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Did the staff assume Jocie was going to be open coming up the lane? She set the pick for Pemberton to run to the far corner but Hurst was not looking there whatsoever. Hurst was waiting for Jocie and then I believe #10 was gonna set a screen for her. The problem is the Bison guard was waiting up high for Jocie. End of play. Mal should've called timeout immediately upon seeing that. Quote
sioux24/7 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 58 minutes ago, Kab said: I don’t think hutter had much say about that last play unfortunately ‘wonder what he would have called Maybe, maybe not. I do believe, if I recall correctly, he was the one that grabbed Hurst to sub in. Quote
SiouxFan100 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 Demers really struggled against ndsu. 14 minutes, no rebounds, two points, five of our 19 turnovers. I think she is better than this but might have problems against the types of players ndsu have. Really would help to have another player like Ibrahim. Our three recruits coming in are two at 5’10” and one 5’8”. I questioned it at the time. We seem like we are missing the boat in the types of players we need. Quote
jdub27 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 1/25/2025 at 11:37 AM, fightingsioux4life said: Your ability to shill for this athletic department is what's hilarious. Hakstol was a master of coach-speak, but I don't think he ever said wins and losses don't matter. Neither did Blais, Roebuck, Glas or Lennon. I'd like to see the actual quote. Where and when was it said and what was the context? 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted January 27 Posted January 27 52 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'd like to see the actual quote. Where and when was it said and what was the context? So now you're going to dispute that it was ever said? Quote
jdub27 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said: So now you're going to dispute that it was ever said? I'm asking to see where the quote was and what the context was. Is that hard to provide for some reason? I didn't see it in any of the quotes in the post game write-ups in the Herald 1 Quote
ND-fan Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 I just pulled up the replay of the game and I not sure what the last play of game was it started with Schiller at bottom of the lane and Pemberton at elbow and Ibrahim at near top of the key. Aumer at sideline close Hurst taking the ball out. Schiller and Pemberton cross each other rubbing each other but Draper runs into Schiller kind of holds Schiller for second and Schiller moves all way up to Hurst forcing her defender to Hurst then looking for pass from Hurst who over throws her and SU recovers loose ball. Pemberton when Schiller is moving up cuts to far corner was open for second in far corner. Aumer had moved to near corner. Ibrahim moved down the lane. Now I can’t understand why play ended up with pass ending up in the bison half of the court. If there was any chance to get ball in quick scoring position it should have gone into Ibrahim who was pretty much ignored by Bison or hit Schiller after her and Pemberton rubbed to shake off defender where Schiller could have driven from there with safety valves of Aumer and Pemberton in the corners. I think Draper dropping off Ibrahim cut off Hurst entry pass to Schiller then whole play blows up. Hurst should have then enter pass to Ibrahim where she could have passed to either outlet or she could have shot at the elbow where she has hit shots this season. This play was all Mallories play Hutter and other assistants just stood and was never involved even at beginning of timeout. Only thing was hearing play Hutter got Hurst to check in. When play blew up I did see Hutter throw his hands up when play blew up and through his back and just sat there. I am sure Mallory wanted this ball pretty much no matter going to Schiller but SU just played defense that way. Also Pemberton going to far corner took her out play for getting shot. This was to way complicated play and you had your best players moving away from the basket instead of play going down hill toward basket especially when your out of timeouts. I may don’t see how this play should have worked but evidently our player’s weren’t able to execute the play either. If anybody else sees something different I would glad to hear what I am missing. Quote
ND-fan Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 I was wrong it wasn’t Draper but number 40 who was guarding Pemberton that held Schiller and Ibrahim was at top of the key just standing covered by Draper. Nobody else moved on play with Aumer going to near corner and Pemberton going to far corner. There were no other people screened or moving towards Hurst. Everything centered on Schiller receiving the ball SU held Schiller enough in crossover that her defender was right with her. I was right before the key to the play Schiller needed to be open after cross over otherwise Schiller had to get open enough to get pass to her. There was secondary person to get the basketball I then think Schiller then would drive basketball with one on one drive to tie the game. Quote
NDPROUD Posted January 27 Posted January 27 8 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said: Demers really struggled against ndsu. 14 minutes, no rebounds, two points, five of our 19 turnovers. I think she is better than this but might have problems against the types of players ndsu have. Really would help to have another player like Ibrahim. Our three recruits coming in are two at 5’10” and one 5’8”. I questioned it at the time. We seem like we are missing the boat in the types of players we need. They had Demers defending Draper from behind instead of 3/4 round. It was obviously ineffective and immediately put her in foul trouble. Jory ate that right up and it played right into his hand. Six unanswered early points to that mistake. After the first time Draper beat Demers, they should have switched her defensive stance up. How many times are they going to be out coached? There's continually mismatching and player positioning issues that have resulted in unnecessary fouls and turnovers. Players still allowed to play with blinders and me only attitude resulting in lost scoring opportunities, and again...turnovers. Our assist column reflects that game after game. This team should only have maybe two legit loses, but they need for their coaches to step up and do their jobs...if they're capable. Quote
HockeyHawk Posted January 27 Posted January 27 3 hours ago, NDPROUD said: They had Demers defending Draper from behind instead of 3/4 round. It was obviously ineffective and immediately put her in foul trouble. Jory ate that right up and it played right into his hand. Six unanswered early points to that mistake. After the first time Draper beat Demers, they should have switched her defensive stance up. How many times are they going to be out coached? There's continually mismatching and player positioning issues that have resulted in unnecessary fouls and turnovers. Players still allowed to play with blinders and me only attitude resulting in lost scoring opportunities, and again...turnovers. Our assist column reflects that game after game. This team should only have maybe two legit loses, but they need for their coaches to step up and do their jobs...if they're capable. I don’t disagree that the coaching needs to be better but Ndsu had more talent. 1 Quote
UND1983 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 25 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said: I don’t disagree that the coaching needs to be better but Ndsu had more talent. Great let’s talk recruiting then cause that sucks also. I have been stating for years on end that we are not long enough. 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 38 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Great let’s talk recruiting then cause that sucks also. I have been stating for years on end that we are not long enough. Bingo. Draper and Koenen are both listed at 6'2". Neither probably weighs a buck fifty yet both can score in the paint. Simon comes off the bench around the same height. Not as athletic but can shoot the 3 and post up. Anyone know what's up with Hamling. She's listed on the roster but hasn't played this season. Imagine if she was healthy and playing on that team. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 As I mentioned this offense does nothing to showcase Schiller's talent and it definitely doesn't do Demers any favors either. She can't constantly be 18-20 feet from the basket. 1 Quote
ND-fan Posted January 27 Author Posted January 27 Demers can play better than she did Saturday and I think she was trying to much in being in rivalry game especially with local fan base that follows her from Grafton. She is undersized at the post at listed 6’ 1” post player but I think she is probably closer to 6’. Somebody said why they didn’t the play her and Ibrahim both and I though that possibility too especially when Horne was in foul troubled but I also could see would have caused problems on ball movement on offense. We definitely need another girl with length who can play the four spot on the team. We have Mathern and Piekney to play there and both of them are also undersized for playing the four. I like our new recruits coming in but we need another post player since VanderWal they have given up on for playing any minutes now in conference season. I think we have to many guards that are taking up roster positions that are under 5’10”. When UND went to ncaa and won conference championships they were long these were teams roebuck had recruited before retiring he could see what was needed to play at this level. Mallory hasn’t given up on up tempo team concept and it reflects on her recruiting. Quote
UND92,96 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 1 hour ago, ND-fan said: Demers can play better than she did Saturday and I think she was trying to much in being in rivalry game especially with local fan base that follows her from Grafton. She is undersized at the post at listed 6’ 1” post player but I think she is probably closer to 6’. Somebody said why they didn’t the play her and Ibrahim both and I though that possibility too especially when Horne was in foul troubled but I also could see would have caused problems on ball movement on offense. We definitely need another girl with length who can play the four spot on the team. We have Mathern and Piekney to play there and both of them are also undersized for playing the four. I like our new recruits coming in but we need another post player since VanderWal they have given up on for playing any minutes now in conference season. I think we have to many guards that are taking up roster positions that are under 5’10”. When UND went to ncaa and won conference championships they were long these were teams roebuck had recruited before retiring he could see what was needed to play at this level. Mallory hasn’t given up on up tempo team concept and it reflects on her recruiting. I think it speaks volumes about the roster makeup when a true freshman PWO like Mathern is getting fairly significant minutes. That's not meant as a knock on her ability, but it really shouldn't be happening, at least his early in her career, with 15 scholarship players on the roster. In order to add the needed inside help for next season, I think it's safe to say there are going to potentially be several players leaving after this season. As it is, scholarships appear to be overcommitted, with presumably both Hillesheim and Harvey being scholarship players. Quote
ND-fan Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 Mallory’s record against SDSU is 0-11; NDSU is 1-10, ORU is 2-10; USD 2-9 and St. Thomas 3-3 most of our wins have come against Omaha, Denver, KC, and Western Illinois. This up to current games and including her interim coach year but we’re almost done with her sixth season people on this site demanded change of coaches when Bubba was slightly over 500 and had played competitive games against Dakota schools. Then look at Mallory record and there is no curve upwards in the program but Chaves has continued to extend contracts. Where is expectation of winning but accepting to be bottom third of the conference. Women’s basketball of sports we have potential where we could be factor where we could regularly go to one of national tournaments but this slowly slipping as Women’s basketball becomes more popular. We need to find a coach that wants to build a winner and it could happen if we hire new coach. I am going to say something controversial but if we look at male coach probably could find high qualified coach cause majority of schools are still into DEI and top of that would be able to retain coach like this like SDSU has because large universities aren’t hiring male women’s basketball coaches. I am not against hiring woman coach but it’s hard to find applicants because of great demand universities are placing on meeting DEI. UND needs to look to change coaches because Mallory has been given enough time and program has not improved in 6 seasons . This is my opinion I am sure there other people feel differently but please why we should continue as we are now. 1 Quote
NewUndFan Posted January 28 Posted January 28 1 hour ago, ND-fan said: Mallory’s record against SDSU is 0-11; NDSU is 1-10, ORU is 2-10; USD 2-9 and St. Thomas 3-3 most of our wins have come against Omaha, Denver, KC, and Western Illinois. This up to current games and including her interim coach year but we’re almost done with her sixth season people on this site demanded change of coaches when Bubba was slightly over 500 and had played competitive games against Dakota schools. Then look at Mallory record and there is no curve upwards in the program but Chaves has continued to extend contracts. Where is expectation of winning but accepting to be bottom third of the conference. Women’s basketball of sports we have potential where we could be factor where we could regularly go to one of national tournaments but this slowly slipping as Women’s basketball becomes more popular. We need to find a coach that wants to build a winner and it could happen if we hire new coach. I am going to say something controversial but if we look at male coach probably could find high qualified coach cause majority of schools are still into DEI and top of that would be able to retain coach like this like SDSU has because large universities aren’t hiring male women’s basketball coaches. I am not against hiring woman coach but it’s hard to find applicants because of great demand universities are placing on meeting DEI. UND needs to look to change coaches because Mallory has been given enough time and program has not improved in 6 seasons . This is my opinion I am sure there other people feel differently but please why we should continue as we are now. I agree with what you are saying. When Mallory won 2 games for her interim season, I thought no way she gets this job. Then it came down to her and one male coach. I was surprised she made top two, but figured they were doing it to save face with a former athlete. I dont remember the male coaches name, but remember thinking he had some experience that could have helped us. When she was awarded the head coaching job after winning only 2 games and being an assistant for the coach they had fired I was floored. Since then she has proven she is not a D1 basketball coach. NDSU made a bold move after hiring two female coaches that basically took their teams to the toilet in hiring Jory Collins. He has turned that team around and has made them a contender. I have no problem with a female coach, but I also dont think there should be preferential treatment for a female to coach a female team. Best candidate should get it period. I also believe Coach Hutter is the reason this years team is showing some signs of improvement this year. Time to move on. 1 Quote
ND-fan Posted January 28 Author Posted January 28 I agree with your last comment and I would bet if Hutter was head coach right now from beginning of the year we would have winning record and would be competing with SU for second place. This with talent on this team as it stands now. I would even bet we would view number of players in even more positive light because he would have worked on fundamentals and execution of playing defense and offense. When I was young UND had top flight coaching for both men’s and women’s basketball but standard has slipped Tom Clifford would never put with this kind of performance. I think our current president has held academic side of university to this I hope he turns to athletics side as well Quote
sioux24/7 Posted January 28 Posted January 28 20 minutes ago, ND-fan said: I agree with your last comment and I would bet if Hutter was head coach right now from beginning of the year we would have winning record and would be competing with SU for second place. This with talent on this team as it stands now. I would even bet we would view number of players in even more positive light because he would have worked on fundamentals and execution of playing defense and offense. When I was young UND had top flight coaching for both men’s and women’s basketball but standard has slipped Tom Clifford would never put with this kind of performance. I think our current president has held academic side of university to this I hope he turns to athletics side as well Aaron Kallhoff. He’s now the head coach of Sac State. Went 6-25 year 1 and is currently 10-10. Certainly a much more experienced coach. Quote
ND-fan Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 I am advocating for new coach for us. My point is that even our assistant head coach would be step up for us then where we are now and who next coach should be based on who is best candidates for the position. When the season is over women’s basketball needs to be addressed we shouldn’t be in lower half of conference but one of the teams in Summit that is considered to play in NCAA tournament. Traditionally we have fan base and looked at place to go to for women’s basketball but that has slipped away in last 10-12 years. When we have records like we do against other Dakota schools we need to make changes. 3 Quote
gfhockey Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Amazing how st Thomas only been d-1 program for 4 years and waxing us at home Quote
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