The Vote - Measure 4: 5 years later

[Siouxperfan7]

It was 5 years ago today that North Dakotans went to the polls to vote to retire the Fighting Sioux Nickname.  A very difficult vote for many people.  In hindsight, I still believe it was the right decision.  A lot has happened since Measure 4 passed and UND retired the Fighting Sioux name and logo.  We have a new nickname and logo, merchandise is for sale at stores, teams have won conference and National Championships under the new name.  June 12th, 2012 was a tough day for all UND fans.  But 4 years later, I think that the right decision was made and the University is better off for citizens understanding the consequences and making the right decision.  

[Emerald joker]

Yes........the right decision was made for the left side so they'd stop crying about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[CMSioux]

I agree it was the right decision but history will never remember that the only reason the vote was so one-sided was because of the "threats" that UND would not be allowed into the Big Sky and would not be able to schedule other schools because the NCAA was lobbying schools not to schedule UND.

If none of that would have been on the table and it was simply the will of the people this vote might have gone differently - I believe the will of the people was to keep the nickname but all the threats and dire predictions of doom for UND athletics overrode that.

It's still incredibly disconcerting that there are so many Native American nicknames still in use - and no it should not matter that a tribe has given its permission to a school because no one should be able to give anyone else permission to use a "racist" nickname. (oops got on the soapbox). 

 

[Teeder11]

29 minutes ago, Emerald joker said:

Yes........the right decision was made for the left side so they'd stop crying about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Oh, there's still crying..... Just not the lefties anymore.

[Siouxphan27]

 I think what's most gratifying about the decision is being able to see now how much that terrible name held back the tribes.    I mean just look at Standing Rock. It's a bona fide utopia now just five years later.  

[PhillySioux]

21 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

I agree it was the right decision but history will never remember that the only reason the vote was so one-sided was because of the "threats" that UND would not be allowed into the Big Sky and would not be able to schedule other schools because the NCAA was lobbying schools not to schedule UND.

If none of that would have been on the table and it was simply the will of the people this vote might have gone differently - I believe the will of the people was to keep the nickname but all the threats and dire predictions of doom for UND athletics overrode that.

It's still incredibly disconcerting that there are so many Native American nicknames still in use - and no it should not matter that a tribe has given its permission to a school because no one should be able to give anyone else permission to use a "racist" nickname. (oops got on the soapbox). 

 

The "Will of the people" is not developed inside a vacuum.  It is impacted by factors and consequences, both positive and negative.  The idea that people should vote one way or another based only how the issue makes them feel makes for really bad policy.  

 

 

[Emerald joker]

1 hour ago, Teeder11 said:

Oh, there's still crying..... Just not the lefties anymore.

That's because they got their way and their tender feelings aren't hurt anymore. I wonder if they've come out of their safe spaces yet because it is alright to do that now.......I think

[Teeder11]

30 minutes ago, Emerald joker said:

That's because they got their way and their tender feelings aren't hurt anymore. I wonder if they've come out of their safe spaces yet because it is alright to do that now.......I think

I totally agree with you.  Now it's the other side who is playing the SJW role of snowflake it would seem.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

I used to be a UND Sioux name and logo supporter. Now, I can't wait for it to end (sure officially it's the Fighting Hawks), mostly because it seems to have created and continues to create divisions among us.

What other schools / fans say about our name / logo change is minuscule compared to our divisions.

The UND Flickertail faithfuls had some resistance, but not at this level.

DaveK, Super Dave, Roosevelt83, speed kills, kevad, Dave, Roosey, may all be the same person; but he is not alone in abandoning the Flagship.

Yes, the State vote to retire the Fighting Sioux Nickname was 5 years ago; and today the wife and I each received a letter from UND Foundation for supporting the U.

Outside of athletics, we have not contributed to the Flagship in the past 5 years. Today we each took out an oar and helped with a small financial donation.

[zonadub]

Yes, it may have been the right decision at the time and under the circumstances, but it still stings that it happened.

Also would have preferred not having the best nickname in athletics replaced by such a bland, generic adjective/bird one like almost every other former Native American nicknamed school has done.

[UND1981]

1 hour ago, zonadub said:

Yes, it may have been the right decision at the time and under the circumstances, but it still stings that it happened.

Also would have preferred not having the best nickname in athletics replaced by such a bland, generic adjective/bird one like almost every other former Native American nicknamed school has done.

We could be called the copy cats.

 

[Fetch]

Funny how Fighting Sioux is still mentioned as much if not more by media covering us at tournament time & that Sioux apperal is still worn & Sioux chants & team cheers are still as popular as ever 

Sioux Forever is as popular as ever & I'm proud of that 

GO SIOUX !

[darell1976]

8 minutes ago, Fetch said:

Funny how Fighting Sioux is still mentioned as much if not more by media covering us at tournament time & that Sioux apperal is still worn & Sioux chants & team cheers are still as popular as ever 

Sioux Forever is as popular as ever & I'm proud of that 

GO SIOUX !

You must have only watched the hockey tournaments. March Madness was all about the Fighting Hawks. 

[Emerald joker]

34 minutes ago, Fetch said:

Funny how Fighting Sioux is still mentioned as much if not more by media covering us at tournament time & that Sioux apperal is still worn & Sioux chants & team cheers are still as popular as ever 

Sioux Forever is as popular as ever & I'm proud of that 

GO SIOUX !

Carful, you're going to offend and upset someone, but I'm 1000% with you!!!!!!!!

GO SIOUX!!!

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

49 minutes ago, Fetch said:

Funny how Fighting Sioux is still mentioned as much if not more by media covering us at tournament time

Lot of air time for talking heads to fill, and ND just isn't that interesting.  Kind of like everyone still associating downtown Dallas with JFK, or NYC with 9/11.  It will forever be a conversation starter/ice breaker, sure, but only as a historical point of reference or trivia soundbite.  Doesn't mean what I think you think it means.

[darell1976]

3 hours ago, Emerald joker said:

Carful, you're going to offend and upset someone, but I'm 1000% with you!!!!!!!!

GO SIOUX!!!

Talking about the REA upsetting those Sioux Forever folks.

[runaroundsioux]

Maybe there wouldn't be such a "division" if some people didn't constantly start new threads to keep on beating the same dead horse. 

[Siouxperfan7]

11 hours ago, runaroundsioux said:

Maybe there wouldn't be such a "division" if some people didn't constantly start new threads to keep on beating the same dead horse. 

Purpose of the thread was to reflect on a point in UND history and reflect on what has transpired since.  The division of some fans is always going to be there whether a thread on a fan website was started or not. 

[runaroundsioux]

48 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Purpose of the thread was to reflect on a point in UND history and reflect on what has transpired since.  The division of some fans is always going to be there whether a thread on a fan website was started or not. 

Purpose of the thread was to stir the pot. Again.

[Teeder11]

36 minutes ago, runaroundsioux said:

Purpose of the thread was to stir the pot. Again.

And threaten the delicate snowflakes that can't hack it, I guess. 

[Siouxperfan7]

1 hour ago, runaroundsioux said:

Purpose of the thread was to stir the pot. Again.

Or just a friendly reminder that it's been 5 years since the name has been retired and maybe it's time to move on!   Threads about the nickname being retired aren't dividing the fanbase.  It's the "Siouxforever" crowd that is hurting the fanbase.  If that is "stiring the pot" and you are offended by being blamed for the division, maybe you should do something about it!!

[Fetch]

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1933216916960812&id=1573649036250937

[darell1976]

8 hours ago, Fetch said:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1933216916960812&id=1573649036250937

Unless a court tells the NCAA their nickname rule is unconstitutional the name is never coming back as long as we are a member of the NCAA.

[Fetch]

ncaa needs to go away they have become a defactO parasite that only exists to save their jobs but when college academia is basically the same type of scavenger they love each other - America needs to take back many things that have become tainted by their kind

[darell1976]

1 hour ago, Fetch said:

ncaa needs to go away they have become a defactO parasite that only exists to save their jobs but when college academia is basically the same type of scavenger they love each other - America needs to take back many things that have become tainted by their kind

We all agree the NCAA are a bunch of money hungry, hypocrites. I don't see them going away. $$$$