I still have a bit of fight in me

[SiouxUSAF]

I've fought for my country. That is worthless, if you don't stand up against what is going on in this town right now. Rebel. (REMOVED) do something, the majority of us know this isn't right. Ralph is rolling over in his grave as we sit here and accept it. I'm begging anyone in Grand forks to protest, let's set it up. I'm sure I can find students.

[UND1983]

I'll bite.  What is going down in this town right now?

[darell1976]

4 hours ago, SiouxUSAF said:

I've fought for my country. That is worthless, if you don't stand up against what is going on in this town right now. Rebel. (REMOVED) do something, the majority of us know this isn't right. Ralph is rolling over in his grave as we sit here and accept it. I'm begging anyone in Grand forks to protest, let's set it up. I'm sure I can find students.

Thank you for your service. But unfortunately its over. It was over when Standing Rock said no due to the settlement agreement agreed upon by the NCAA and ND AG Wayne Stenehjem.  The name has been retired for 5 years now, and isn't coming back. Protests aren't going to bring it back. The road to the Sioux nickname and logo is closed, the school has a nickname and logo that is compliant with the NCAA and thats the way its gonna be.

[UNDBIZ]

1st world problems.  I suggest channeling your current and future energy towards something that actually matters.

[The Sicatoka]

I appreciate the sentiment, but it's a decade or two too late. 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

5 hours ago, SiouxUSAF said:

I've fought for my country. That is worthless, if you don't stand up against what is going on in this town right now. Rebel. (REMOVED) do something, the majority of us know this isn't right. Ralph is rolling over in his grave as we sit here and accept it. I'm begging anyone in Grand forks to protest, let's set it up. I'm sure I can find students.

 

20 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

1st world problems.  I suggest channeling your energy towards something that actually matters.

Sounds like he has. Thank you for your service SiouxUSAF.

Regardless, at this hour this fight has been long over.  The Sioux jersey has been retired and will be known as one of the greatest and most feared logos in the history of athletics by anyone being honest with themselves. 

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

Sounds like he has. Thank you for your service SiouxUSAF.

I wasn't referring to his military service, but you knew that.  I've edited my prior post so as not to be misinterpreted, intentionally or otherwise.

[UNDHawks4life]

7 hours ago, SiouxUSAF said:

I've fought for my country. That is worthless, if you don't stand up against what is going on in this town right now. Rebel. (REMOVED) do something, the majority of us know this isn't right. Ralph is rolling over in his grave as we sit here and accept it. I'm begging anyone in Grand forks to protest, let's set it up. I'm sure I can find students.

Its just a name. Call them whatever you want and move on.

[MafiaMan]

3 minutes ago, UNDHawks4life said:

Its just a name. Call them whatever you want and move on.

Oh, the irony in this post...

[90siouxfan]

i'm lost, can you repeat the things you said about the things

[SiouxUSAF]

I am more referring to the Fighting Hawk logo/nickname being plastered up all over the place. There has to be a way to push back against it and it seems like everyone has just quit. The process for selecting it was unjust and people need to push back against it. 

[SiouxUSAF]

53 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:

i'm lost, can you repeat the things you said about the things

Should I copy and paste it? 

[The Sicatoka]

The president of UND has the authority to pick a nickname and a logo. 

Kelley used his authority to do committee after committee and ended up with something some don't like. 
Schafer used his authority to make a decision and ended up with something some don't like. 

Moral of the story: Not everyone will be happy with any process or any decision. 

[siouxfan512]

My .02

The nickname battle is over. The "official" name and logo are set; whether people like it or not. I think a lot of the anger is not just for the new name and logo, but they way they were shoved down peoples throats. Regardless, it is done.

I have somewhat warmed to the name and logo, at least for football and basketball. I'll admit, I still call the hockey team the Sioux, and probably always will. Partially our of habit, partially because, that is what it was when I went to school there, partially because I like Sioux better than Hawks, partially because the name Fighting Sioux was SO intertwined into the hockey history, partially because I'm stubborn and defiant, and partially because ... I Can.

I haven't bought any Hawks gear yet, but probably will when I get to Sheels in Fargo in a few weeks. I'm not completely defiant, and while I love the name Fighting Sioux, I support UND. Also want to buy a current hockey jersey before they are gone too.

Want to protest the name, keep wearing your old Sioux gear to games. There is no shame in that. It is still part of the history, and still represents UND. Keep cheering the name if you choose to. Frankly, I think it is dumb for people to put down those who cheer on the old name, just as I think it is dumb to put down those who cheer Hawks. Everyone adjusts their perspective at different times, everyone has different feelings about the name, and as with any socio-political issue, putting people down or berating them based on their views is not going to convince them otherwise. Hawks, Sioux or otherwise.

That being said, I think at this point, formal protests in attempt to change the name or logo are far beyond worthless at this point. The name is what it is. The logo is what it is, though I get why not everyone likes that logo. If you really want to make an impact, initiate a letter writing campaign to the school to NOT replace the logo, but ADD to it. An additional logo may draw in more fans of the name, it allows for additional merchandising options for fans, and if you do it right, could even create a potential mascot, which appeals to families and young fans.

[siouxfan512]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

The president of UND has the authority to pick a nickname and a logo. 

Kelley used his authority to do committee after committee and ended up with something some don't like. 
Schafer used his authority to make a decision and ended up with something some don't like. 

Moral of the story: Not everyone will be happy with any process or any decision. 

Agreed!

I do think part of what Kelley did to make people upset was implement a committee and a vote, but then take the most popular option off of the table. Now, I understand why he did not want the "no nickname" option, but I do think that move upset a lot of people. Also seemed like the committee weeded out a lot of legitimate options early on.

Ex. I thought Nokota (Nokes) was a decent option and could have had a cool logo. Committee nixed that because it sounded Indian and was too closely spelled to an Indian tribe, when it is in fact the state horse. If that is the case we should probably eliminate "Dakota" from all official school language too. There were a few other decent options as well.

End of the day, at least we are not SUNDOGS!!

[sprig]

I don't wear my Sioux stuff as a protest,  but rather because it's functional,  different shirts/coats for different weather,  etc. I'm not going to trashcan it and buy new until it's worn out, and I'm likely to wear out before it does

 

[Siouxperfan7]

3 hours ago, SiouxUSAF said:

I am more referring to the Fighting Hawk logo/nickname being plastered up all over the place. There has to be a way to push back against it and it seems like everyone has just quit. The process for selecting it was unjust and people need to push back against it. 

I get your passion.  I was there with you.  But when it came to a point where keeping the name was going to hurt UND athletics (not hosting playoff games, conference affiliation, non conference teams not scheduling us, etc) then I accepted reality and had no other choice but to get on board with UND dropping the Fighting Sioux name.   Yes, the nickname process for selecting a new one was a gong show.  But it is what it is.  And I am glad it is over.  The Fighting Hawks is our name and the logo is here to stay.  If you don't like it, that's fine.  You have the right to your opinion.  But just be prepared to get used to it if you live in Grand Forks.  The Fighting Hawks name and logo are the official name and symbol of UND. And they should not be afraid to use it.  And you don't need to be afraid to accept it.                                                                                                         

[SiouxUSAF]

You know, there are a lot of valuable perspectives on here. I am from MN and love North Dakota because I see people as more self reliant here. Obviously, I am not going to start the brushfire that I wanted to with my drunken post, but the passion lives on. I will never accept the Fighting Hawk thing. Ever.

Perhaps, the best way is to follow my own pathway of rejecting it, which is sitting and hanging the Sioux logo even at sports that I don't like. Freedom of speech can do a hell of thing for the future. 

[90siouxfan]

drunken post - classic

[Fetch]

It would be interesting how/ if Trump or Sessions would have responded ? The times sure are a changing - PC is not as strong but it would take deep pockets like the Engelstad family to really want it

[SiouxUSAF]

8 hours ago, Fetch said:

It would be interesting how/ if Trump or Sessions would have responded ? The times sure are a changing - PC is not as strong but it would take deep pockets like the Engelstad family to really want it

That's a pretty good point too. I don't think they are sitting here and embracing it. I'd bet in theory, if someone riled some students up, it'd give the Engelstads more ammo to push back. The University is doing total damage control right now with their concerns about funding, it'd be beautiful to kick them when they're down. 

[darell1976]

4 hours ago, SiouxUSAF said:

That's a pretty good point too. I don't think they are sitting here and embracing it. I'd bet in theory, if someone riled some students up, it'd give the Engelstads more ammo to push back. The University is doing total damage control right now with their concerns about funding, it'd be beautiful to kick them when they're down. 

It would be beautiful to support the athletes on the field and the school as a whole. If you don't like the school just because of a name then support a different school/team. The University of North Dakota is a beautiful school with a lot of good programs, its only gotten better from the days of the Nodaks/Flickertails to present day. Having the Sioux name retired doesn't change anything from that. Our teams are still winning titles, the graduation rate is still very high and nowhere near the problems Alcorn State has with grades. If you are that gung ho on getting the Sioux name back drive out to Ft. Yates, ND and talk to the Standing Rock Sioux tribal council and demand they give permission for UND to use the name and logo because without their support the issue is as dead as it was in 2010 (original settlement date), and 2012 (retired after the nickname state law was repealed). Go to the games, yell go Sioux if you wish, you are not required to buy any Hawk gear, and cheer UND to victory. 

[pontoonin]

On sale @ Prairie Knights Casino.

It’s amazing the support from members of that tribe. 

[geaux_sioux]

On 3/27/2017 at 12:48 PM, SiouxUSAF said:

I am more referring to the Fighting Hawk logo/nickname being plastered up all over the place. There has to be a way to push back against it and it seems like everyone has just quit. The process for selecting it was unjust and people need to push back against it. 

Yes, the fighting hawks agenda. How dare they promote such a filthy lifestyle. It’s an abomination.

[moser53]

On 3/27/2017 at 3:50 AM, SiouxUSAF said:

I've fought for my country. That is worthless, if you don't stand up against what is going on in this town right now. Rebel. (REMOVED) do something, the majority of us know this isn't right. Ralph is rolling over in his grave as we sit here and accept it. I'm begging anyone in Grand forks to protest, let's set it up. I'm sure I can find students.

He saw a wrong and tried to right it.