Moo U diaries

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not UND and Bubba - sorry. Minutiae, yes; large-scale changes, no. UND will recruit to their vision irregardless. UND will beat EWU or whoever if they do that.

If you say so, I guess we'll see how it plays out.

[Bison06]

Just now, Longtime fan said:

UND has no issue with their defensive line...far from it.  They play nine guys regularly and without a drop off.  The 3-4 that bubba runs will excel in the mvfc.....much more so then the big sky.  Bubba and crew stop the run....period!!  UND held the team to the south to their lowest rush yards, ypc (2.7) and zero rush tds in "15" with a very very young and inexperienced d.   UND will be fine in the mvfc defense wise  

The offense needs to catch up for UND to be able to compete in any conference.  

Yes UND has stopped the run, but the pass defense was so bad that it was easy for teams to just stop running the ball at some point and beat you through the air.

[Longtime fan]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

Yes UND has stopped the run, but the pass defense was so bad that it was easy for teams to just stop running the ball at some point and beat you through the air.

The mvfc is not known as a passing league, just that you guys had the #2 overall draft pick at qb.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

6 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

There was never going to be another (fill in the blank) until there was. EWU will continue to find elite WR in the pacific NW, I think we both know that's true.

Ive sat in on strategic recruiting meetings, trust me when I tell you these are conversations coaches have. It's all about winning the conference. Big 10 teams are building themselves as we speak to beat Michigan and Ohio state, SEC teams are practicing this spring to beat Alabama. Why do you think conferences tend to have teams that are built similarly if they have been conference mates for a long time. If Alabama ran the spread offense, teams would immediately be emphasizing pass rushing DE and lockdown corners in the sec, because alabama is built on the front seven being stout, so is every other sec team. Big 10 football was slow and methodical for the past 15 years, now urban Meyer brings Ohio state the spread and low and behold the rest of the big 10 starts to emphasize speed over power. It's not a mystery man, just look around and you'll see it.

You're correct and I understand that. My point is simply that UND believes they can win the Big Sky Conference by doing what they've been doing; in fact, they just won the conference. Run the ball, stop the run, and play good special teams. 

[Bison06]

Just now, Longtime fan said:

The mvfc is not known as a passing league, just that you guys had the #2 overall draft pick at qb.  

It's not known as a passing league but that doesn't mean teams can't pass well. You just won't need the depth at corner and safety in the MVFC that you need in the big sky.

[UND-1]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Yes UND has stopped the run, but the pass defense was so bad that it was easy for teams to just stop running the ball at some point and beat you through the air.

Throwing at true freshmen.  Hopefully, that won't be the case much longer.  

How many teams have the ability or mindset to do that in the MVFC?  

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You're correct and I understand that. My point is simply that UND believes they can win the Big Sky Conference by doing what they've been doing. Run the ball, stop the run, and play good special teams. 

That's understandable and I agree to a point, though I believe that EWU would have been a real problem for UND last year had they met up.

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

That's understandable and I agree to a point, though I believe that EWU would have been a real problem for UND last year had they met up.

That's all hypothetical now. But yes, UND likely prefers the 2017 matchup over that hypoethcial 2016 matchup with Kupp on the field and Baldwin on the sideline. 

[homer]

25 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Losing tends to do that to 19 year old young men. Seems like an effect rather than a cause.

Sure

[CMSioux]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

USD was 4-7 last year, I'm not sure I'd classify that as competing fine.

Well a similar record had UNI in the top 20 for most of the year. 

[Longtime fan]

10 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

It's not known as a passing league but that doesn't mean teams can't pass well. You just won't need the depth at corner and safety in the MVFC that you need in the big sky.

Bubba is building depth. 

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, Longtime fan said:

Bubba is building depth. 

I wonder sometimes if people read the thread or if they just come in blind and comment with zero context because of posts like this.

[Bison Dan]

Love how this thread is going.  "we won the conference so we've arrived"  seems to be the main thought of UND posters.  Fact is EWU was the class of the conference and that was it.  Weakest the BSC has ever been.  Don't believe it, when's the last time MSU and UM were as bad as they were last year?  Playoff's showed the strength also.  Your D is setup as a high risk high reward stop the run.  Your backfield is put on a island and when you play against a good qb they are exposed.  When you guys finally beat a really good team then you can say we're there.  Your first 3 games will be interesting. 

[UND-1]

9 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Love how this thread is going.  "we won the conference so we've arrived"  seems to be the main thought of UND posters.  Fact is EWU was the class of the conference and that was it.  Weakest the BSC has ever been.  Don't believe it, when's the last time MSU and UM were as bad as they were last year?  Playoff's showed the strength also.  Your D is setup as a high risk high reward stop the run.  Your backfield is put on a island and when you play against a good qb they are exposed.  When you guys finally beat a really good team then you can say we're there.  Your first 3 games will be interesting. 

That's outstanding, Dan.  Best of luck in the future.  

[fightingsioux4life]

13 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Love how this thread is going.  "we won the conference so we've arrived"  seems to be the main thought of UND posters.  Fact is EWU was the class of the conference and that was it.  Weakest the BSC has ever been.  Don't believe it, when's the last time MSU and UM were as bad as they were last year?  Playoff's showed the strength also.  Your D is setup as a high risk high reward stop the run.  Your backfield is put on a island and when you play against a good qb they are exposed.  When you guys finally beat a really good team then you can say we're there.  Your first 3 games will be interesting. 

[Bison06]

If I pull up UND's roster on their website right now are those class years updated or is it still showing last year's juniors and seniors?

[North Dakota]

3 hours ago, homer said:

Competed fine against USD last season and they competed fine this season in the MVFC.  We have a couple years to continue to build the oline.  That was due more to lack of talent/depth left by previous staff.  I think we will be fine.  

You think 7th place with a 3-5 record is doing fine?

[UND-1]

4 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

You think 7th place with a 3-5 record is doing fine?

Competed.  See the word "competed".  We didn't play anybody better than them so that is the only reference point.  USD competed just fine with all your top end teams.  They just need to learn how to win.

 

[UND-1]

31 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

If I pull up UND's roster on their website right now are those class years updated or is it still showing last year's juniors and seniors?

Last year's.  Not updated

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, UND-1 said:

Last year's.  Not updated

Thank you

[Bison06]

Is there a projected depth chart somewhere heading into spring football?

[North Dakota]

3 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Competed.  See the word "competed".  We didn't play anybody better than them so that is the only reference point.  USD competed just fine with all your top end teams.  They just need to learn how to win.

 

USD has been a bottom third MVFC team since they joined the conference.

I certainly hope we aim higher then USD because they certainly are not "competeing fine" IMO.

[Bison06]

5 minutes ago, North Dakota said:

USD has been a bottom third MVFC team since they joined the conference.

I certainly hope we aim higher then USD because they certainly are not "competeing fine" IMO.

In fairness, last year for them was the first year with a brand new coaching staff and they certainly looked better than previous years. They certainly weren't the best representative of what the MVFC offers up for competition, but they seem to be moving in the right direction.

4-7 is still 4-7 though.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

Your D is setup as a high risk high reward stop the run.  Your backfield is put on a island and when you play against a good qb they are exposed. 

So you're saying UND's defense is already set up to do well in the MVFC?

UND's defensive backfield managed just fine last year being tied for second in the nation in interceptions despite their All-American safety missing a couple games.

 

[Longtime fan]

2 hours ago, Bison06 said:

I wonder sometimes if people read the thread or if they just come in blind and comment with zero context because of posts like this.

Yeah I read it.  I left my response very vague.....my reference was that bubba is adding depth at the other positions as well, not just cb and safety.  Your implication is that since und plays in a pass happy league, they distinctly rely heavily on secondary recruiting...not true.  They of course look for the best recruit as the secondary is a vital part of any D but there are other positions to fill and bubba knows damn well the gamw is won....trenches.  UND will be ready defensively speaking for the mvfc. But I need to ask ... you say teams don't need to be as deep at those two positions in the mvfc then the big sky...why?   Injuries don't happen to the secondary positions in the mvfc?? How many safeties and cbs did ndsu have last year on the roster?  They had 17.  UND had 15.  Can you explain that ?