Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Because the business owners in Sioux Falls, Fargo, and some extent Grand Forks lobby for a supply of cheap labor. Chamber of Commerce wants the cheap labor here, but won't do anything else to help the immigrants. LSS is good at getting them here, but that's about the extent of their help too. It's many states and cities across the country.
Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Normally we could say it's because the economy is bad but we know that's not the case.
Sioux-cia Posted November 3, 2014 Author Posted November 3, 2014 If you left Chicago because it wasn't safe, why are you comparing Fargo to Detroit? Shouldn't your thread title be "Fargo the new Chicago??" I didn't leave Chicago because it wasn't safe. I left to go to school. I grew up in an area in the inner city that was a safe, family oriented area of the hardest working blue collar workers anywhere in the country. It too changed for the worse but Detroit, for me, has always been 'the bad place'.
Fetch Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I grew up in KC Mo. & LA Ca. I hate to see what LSS Is doing Is anyone studying this or has LSS been confronted on this or have they ever commented ? Im sure PC will make them amune to criticism 1
.357 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I was born & raised in Grand Forks, & since leaving in 1990 for the navy have lived in south Phoenix, Arizona. Some of the nicest, most down-to-earth people here are some Mexican & black-American citizens that I know. ((emphasis on long-established citizens & not new immigrants like Fargo is getting)) That being said, predominantly white areas like ND, SD, Maine, MN, etc. are perceived by other new immigrants like big, juicy, ripe fruits to be eaten. They don't move here to s. Phoenix, Detroit, Chicago & all the other big urban centers because our taxes & resources are already maxed out & exhausted. They go to Vanilla-ville because it's ripe for the taking; not implying any animosity here, just stating the obvious. Here in metro Phoenix, many non-whites are long-established citizens and aren't newcomers like those LSS sends to the Dakotas and other white states. However, I have in the course of my job worked with some new Somali immigrants &, well, no comment there. A sidenote for my homies back in NoDak: In my experiences in the navy & in Phoenix, AZ, I have noticed some HUGE differences between the way whites & non-whites think; regardless of how long they have lived here. Whites are ingrained with & accustomed to order, formal procedures, respect of personal property & other distinct European traits. I don't think anyone above 40 would argue with this & except the most hardcore cultural Marxist. A newsflash here, but you don't or won't ever get the same reverence of these traits from other ethnic groups. You can try drilling these concepts into non-whites heads, but they ain't ever gonna think like Lars Johnsson from Hatton, ND. Ever. Period.. People are different & they always will be. You can have all sorts of fantasies in your beatnik liberal arts sciology class or some trendy Starbucks about everyone being the same, but it's just wishful thinking & masturbatory groupthink. Again, I'm glad people are different as there are many things we can learn from each other; I just don't pretend that we share the same values. That being said, I enjoy the diversity of people here in the Valley, but I also am aware that with diversity I am going to be coming across people who won't now or ever think like me. And that it is foolish (& possibly dangerous) for me to pretend that they ever will. 1
Sioux-cia Posted November 3, 2014 Author Posted November 3, 2014 Holy crap!!! For real, 'I have noticed some HUGE differences between the way whites & non-whites think; regardless of how long they have lived here. Whisttes are ingrained with & accustomed to order, formal procedures, respect of personal property & other distinct European traits.' I'm of Mexican descent and am deeply insulted by your broad generalization. I'm not going to 'defend' my culture against this bull shat, just know this is bull shat.
darell1976 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Spot on. LSS needs to be held accountable. I agree too.
bison73 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Because the business owners in Sioux Falls, Fargo, and some extent Grand Forks lobby for a supply of cheap labor. Chamber of Commerce wants the cheap labor here, but won't do anything else to help the immigrants. LSS is good at getting them here, but that's about the extent of their help too. Then the slum loards make a buck with Sec 8 housing. Yep we pay for it.
.357 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Holy crap!!! For real, 'I have noticed some HUGE differences between the way whites & non-whites think; regardless of how long they have lived here. Whisttes are ingrained with & accustomed to order, formal procedures, respect of personal property & other distinct European traits.' I'm of Mexican descent and am deeply insulted by your broad generalization. I'm not going to 'defend' my culture against this bull shat, just know this is bull shat. Whatever, just stating an opinion to which everyone is entitled...Try not to get your panties in a bunch.
yelo09 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people. T.R. 1907
Sioux-cia Posted November 3, 2014 Author Posted November 3, 2014 Whatever, just stating an opinion to which everyone is entitled...Try not to get your panties in a bunch. Just my opinion.... rac·ist ˈrāsəst/noun 1. a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another. synonyms: racial bigot, racialist, xenophobe, chauvinist, supremacist More adjective 1. having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another. "we are investigating complaints about racist abuse at the clu
.357 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Sioux-cia:I didn't intend to ruffle any feathers here, yours included. Just stating my observations & opinions over the course of almost half a century. What I said may be the furthest thing from a fact, but it is my opinion to which everyone should be granted one. I love all peoples & believe we can all learn from each other. Edit after reading your latest post: Geesh, really? The old "you must be a racist" canard because you don't think like everyone else? I'm married to a beautiful Filipina, btw.
The Sicatoka Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people. T.R. 1907 I see you and raise you: “There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all.” “This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance.” “But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else.” “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English- Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian- Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic.” “The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American.” Theodore Roosevelt New York City- October 12th, 1915
BigGame Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 It's interesting, I lived in Houston for about 10 years and Seattle for several years as well and I find that regardless of race you can find people with differences and similarities. It seems to me peoples behavior is more related to how they are home situation/how they were raised and economic status. 1
Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 There was a body just discovered on the river banks of Moorhead. I'm guessing it was the older gentleman that just went missing.
.357 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 ...takes the popcorn and butter out. Eff me, I should have known better than to enter this thread.
fightingsioux4life Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people. T.R. 1907 Well, then I guess we better go into the burrows of New York City where many different languages are spoken every day and start cracking some heads. And make sure they are practicing some sect of Christianity, because you are surely not an American if you don't. Yep, that would solve all our problems.
Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 www.grandforksherald.com/content/depression-frustration-experienced-some-refugees-during-adjustment Refugees experience frustration, depression moving. Must be hard to get a job not knowing any English and having no (formal) schooling. Might sound harsh but do we really want to just keep bringing over loads of uneducated adults? Doesn't seem good for the prosperity of this country.
fightingsioux4life Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 www.grandforksherald.com/content/depression-frustration-experienced-some-refugees-during-adjustment Refugees experience frustration, depression moving. Must be hard to get a job not knowing any English and having no (formal) schooling. Might sound harsh but do we really want to just keep bringing over loads of uneducated adults? America has always been a place that accepts people fleeing war, persecution, genocide, etc. If we don't want to hold to that, we should change the inscription on the Statue of Liberty to say "We got ours, go back where you came from".
Sioux-cia Posted November 3, 2014 Author Posted November 3, 2014 Sioux-ciaa person who believes that a particular race is superior to another., yours included. Just stating my observations & opinions over the course of almost half a century. What I said may be the furthest thing from a fact, but it is my opinion to which everyone should be granted one. I love all peoples & believe we can all learn from each other. Edit after reading your latest post: Geesh, really? The old "you must be a racist" canard because you don't think like everyone else? I'm married to a beautiful Filipina, btw. '....a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.' 'I have noticed some HUGE differences between the way whites & non-whites think; regardless of how long they have lived here. Whisttes are ingrained with & accustomed to order, formal procedures, respect of personal property & other distinct European traits.' 'I didn't intend to ruffle any feathers here,' 'Try not to get your panties in a bunch.'
Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 America has always been a place that accepts people fleeing war, persecution, genocide, etc. If we don't want to hold to that, we should change the inscription on the Statue of Liberty to say "We got ours, go back where you came from". Did they always get a handout helping them get here? Or did they save money and pursue their own American dream?
yelo09 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Well, then I guess we better go into the burrows of New York City where many different languages are spoken every day and start cracking some heads. And make sure they are practicing some sect of Christianity, because you are surely not an American if you don't. Yep, that would solve all our problems. Ha…no obviously at this point Teddy’s words of wisdom have not been adhered to over the years. I am merely pointing out that this philosophy explains a lot of why our country is in the current state it is.
fightingsioux4life Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Did they always get a handout helping them get here? Or did they save money and pursue their own American dream? It used to be a lot easier to get a job as an immigrant (I am talking 19th into the early 20th century). And I don't know if I would call assistance by a private, non-profit charity a "handout". If you want to see a real example of "handouts", just look at a corporate balance sheet; lots of tax breaks and other goodies on there.
Cratter Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 IIRC, It's funny. We are sending thousands of kids/people who go great lengths to come to America from Mexico/Central America often risking life and death to jail/camps. But we will gladly bring thousands over from overseas who speak no English and appear to be uneducated. All expenses paid. Both are fleeing for a reason. Why exclude one group and include another?
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