UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[The Sicatoka]

I'd say the Idaho reports make the rule change a moot point. The WAC already has the power. Then again, in light of that, would the NCAA be more open to still doing the rule change SV hypothesized. 

[southpaw]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

 

Idaho will recant it's FCS move as recruiting gears up, so it might not be this week.

 

I'm shocked to see this sentence!  I never would have expected SV to attempt to push back his prediction when it's obvious it won't come true!

[bison73]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I'd say the Idaho reports make the rule change a moot point. The WAC already has the power. Then again, in light of that, would the NCAA be more open to still doing the rule change SV hypothesized. 

The Idaho report shot down his prediction. Plus the rule change would be needed for those that dont want to go the WAC route.  Its a case of throwing poop against the wall hoping some will stick. If it doesnt stick then deflect,and change course . Its pretty entertaining.

[The Sicatoka]

https://www.johndenugent.com/images/gladiator-entertained.jpg

[Gothmog]

2 hours ago, bison73 said:

The Idaho report shot down his prediction. Plus the rule change would be needed for those that dont want to go the WAC route.  Its a case of throwing poop against the wall hoping some will stick. If it doesnt stick then deflect,and change course . Its pretty entertaining.

 

 

Look back at the first post in the thread. At that point, it was the SunBelt that would grant Big Sky Schools FBS status.

 

[bison73]

3 hours ago, Gothmog said:

Look back at the first post in the thread. At that point, it was the SunBelt that would grant Big Sky Schools FBS status.

 

Cant wait for the presser on the difficulty in choosing a conference to go FBS. Of couse it depends on if the NCAA changes the rules. If not there is no choice.

[SiouxVolley]

7 hours ago, bison73 said:

The Idaho report shot down his prediction. Plus the rule change would be needed for those that dont want to go the WAC route.  Its a case of throwing poop against the wall hoping some will stick. If it doesnt stick then deflect,and change course . Its pretty entertaining.

Bizonville is like a three story outhouse with you trolls having offices at the main level where are the splats happen.  You don't intervene their when people's heads get hit, but you trolls sure like to sling crap here.

[bison73]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Bizonville is like a three story outhouse with you trolls having offices at the main level where are the splats happen.  You don't intervene their when people's heads get hit, but you trolls sure like to sling crap here.

How can it be slinging crap. We are just quoting you. Oh wait---what?

[The Sicatoka]

Data courtesy @JPGroves ( Las Cruces NM Sun-News Sports Editor )

Seems going FCS would cost (as in net negative) NMSU over $1 million. 

[The Sicatoka]

Based on that, NMSU going FBS Indy makes sense. 

It wasn't Idaho, but you know Idaho fans are going to latch onto this with "Why are we going FCS!?!?!" 

[darell1976]

Average attendance:

2015: NMSU 17,486 Idaho 11,653   8 FCS schools averaged more than these two and DII Grand Valley St averaged more than Idaho

2014: NMSU 12,269 Idaho 12,886 12 FCS schools averaged more than these two 

2013: NMSU 16,050 Idaho 14,744  9 FCS schools averaged more than these two and DII Tuskegee averaged more than Idaho

2012: NMSU 14,247 Idaho 12,582  15 FCS schools averaged more than these two

FBS Indy isn't the answer for either of these schools.

[BIGSIOUX]

not sure why they think a loss of half the ticket revenue in FCS, people not gonna go? or just lower price tickets?

[Gothmog]

3 minutes ago, BIGSIOUX said:

not sure why they think a loss of half the ticket revenue in FCS, people not gonna go? or just lower price tickets?

That popped out at me too. Not sure what they're basing that on. Attendance is poor now, it might actually increase if they stated winning some game in FCS.

Also, it's interesting to note that they're budgeting a $2M decrease in "money games." Add a extra home game or two, and ticket sales $ should go up commensurately.

[The Sicatoka]

I believe their ticket forecast. Here's why: 

"Hey, let's go see the Aggies play the UNM Lobos!"

"Hey, let's go see the Aggies play the UC Davis Aggies!"

Any questions? 

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Also, it's interesting to note that they're budgeting a $2M decrease in "money games." Add a extra home game or two, and ticket sales $ should go up commensurately.

Two million dollars is a huge number for a non-P5 school to try to make up for at their own gate. 

Their stadium hold 30,500, so 61,000 for two games.
To make up $2 million that's two sellouts at $32.75 a stub. 

SV has this point right --> The guarantees are FAR better if you carry that "FBS" label. 

[UNDBIZ]

51 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Data courtesy @JPGroves ( Las Cruces NM Sun-News Sports Editor )

Seems going FCS would cost (as in net negative) NMSU over $1 million. 

Numbers I'd raise issue with include football ticket sales (50% drop seems ridiculous), non-scholarship athlete tuition (shouldn't really be part of the equation, but you're likely going to have more non-scholarship athletes paying tuition in FCS), sports administration, travel, scholarship (don't forget to make the matching reduction in ladies' scholarships when you drop to FCS), and the debt repayment amount.  NMSU had a desire to tell a story a certain way, and they appear to have fudged the numbers to make sure it worked.  Seems to me they may be underestimating how difficult FBS Indy could be.  Ticket sales and donations may take a large hit due to a lack of home games.  Guarantees (per game) may decrease because the other school knows you need to fill your schedule and don't have a lot of options (and you won't be providing them with a 1-0 record against X conference).

[jdub27]

It is possible that part of their ticket sales drop has to do with having at least 1 less home game per year since they will try to sell themselves off to the highest bidder to help balance their budget vs. paying teams to come in or playing more home/homes. Also important to note that there is 1 less game in the FCS regular season than there is in the FBS regular season (most years).

The debt repayment is going to be the same since it has to do with a previous buyout of a BC game so they are paying it one way or another. It is only a 1 year thing, which is why it isn't in the "current" column but appears in the two projection columns.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I believe their ticket forecast. Here's why: 

"Hey, let's go see the Aggies play the UNM Lobos!"

"Hey, let's go see the Aggies play the UC Davis Aggies!"

Any questions? 

NMSU has guaranteed home games against UNM and UTEP in alternating years.  Those are big price games,, as they attract a lot of UNM and UTEP fans.  NMSU can't hose those games if they go FCS.

[bincitysioux]

7 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Seems to me they may be underestimating how difficult FBS Indy could be.......

I think Idaho already tried it and now they are in the Big Sky.....

[senor_sieve]

Still waiting on that Idaho announcement this week...

[The Sicatoka]

I think NMSU was realistic on tickets and guarantees. Their home schedule won't look the same and FCS teams don't get paid the guarantees that FBS teams get. 

I think they're fooling themselves if they don't think they'll take a hit on Donors. Maybe not immediately, but if they go anything under 8-4 in their first year in FCS the donors will punish them. 

[3Putt]

23 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I think they're fooling themselves if they don't think they'll take a hit on Donors. Maybe not immediately, but if they go anything under 8-4 in their first year in FCS the donors will punish them. 

I understand what you are saying but this is a team that hasn't been to a bowl game in over 50 years and has one winning record this century. I don't think donations are coming in based on past success. Making any post season game might have some appeal, especially if it was a home playoff game. I think the biggest problem NMSU has if they drop to FCS is potentially no longer playing UTEP and UNM.

[SiouxVolley]

Bizon trolls have been deranged by this thread and have been saying for more than a year and FBS Big Sky move can't happen.  But yet when it is revealed that the WAC can indeed make invitactions from FCS to FBS, which proved this thread more than legitimate, they are still in denial.

The bizon trolls always take the word of administrators at face value, as they always have taken Chapman and Bresciani at their word, and one should never do that.  The UAB president dropped football, and then intense pressure from students, alumni, and Birmingham not only brought it back, but gave it a new stadium.  UAH dropped hockey, but then it was resurrected after intense pressure.  Idaho may also be attempting to fake out the WAC schools, who may be opposed to any changes.  Stay tuned.

[bison73]

37 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Bizon trolls have been deranged by this thread and have been saying for more than a year and FBS Big Sky move can't happen.  But yet when it is revealed that the WAC can indeed make invitactions from FCS to FBS, which proved this thread more than legitimate, they are still in denial.

The bizon trolls always take the word of administrators at face value, as they always have taken Chapman and Bresciani at their word, and one should never do that.  The UAB president dropped football, and then intense pressure from students, alumni, and Birmingham not only brought it back, but gave it a new stadium.  UAH dropped hockey, but then it was resurrected after intense pressure.  Idaho may also be attempting to fake out the WAC schools, who may be opposed to any changes.  Stay tuned.

Fact is you have been making wild predictions. Non of which included the WAC revelation of which you are now trying jump on that wagon to use as proof you were right and Some NDSU fans wrong. Your whole premise was on the NCAA making rule changes so the BSC could move up and it would be the only way NDSU could go FBS. 

You should be a politician as you tell so many whoppers you dont even realize your doing it and when you get caught you deny it.

[The Sicatoka]

If SV is right and Idaho's move to FCS/BSC is a ruse, NMSU's data and analysis yesterday is better than Idaho could've put out. Why?

Instead of coming out with "mea culpas" the Idaho president now can come out with something like, "In light of NMSU's recent analysis and our fans' and constituents' reactions to it, we are reconsidering our options ... "