Conference Realignments - Take 2

[dmksioux]

4 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

And how exactly is UND going to afford to go FBS given the recent financial shortfalls in the athletic budget? 

Because schools like Coastal Carolina can do it.  Gotta keep up! 

[iluvdebbies]

5 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

And how exactly is UND going to afford to go FBS given the recent financial shortfalls in the athletic budget? 

 

On ‎1‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 2:54 AM, SiouxVolley said:

 but then a major donation will suddenly appear, and all the sudden it's on.

 

[SiouxVolley]

55 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

And how exactly is UND going to afford to go FBS given the recent financial shortfalls in the athletic budget? 

It won't be FBS first, but FCS with less travel.  Its like renting with an option to own.  If you can't afford it when the option is over, then you go to the Slum(mit).

[jdub27]

11 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

It won't be FBS first, but FCS with less travel.  It like renting with an option to own.  If you can't afford it when the option is over, then you go to the Slum(mit).

How in the hell are any of those schools going to lead to less travel? If you want to reduce costs, than its the Summit/MVFC. If UND could get a something worked out with leave/join dates between Big Sky and MVFC for the football team, it'd pretty much be a done deal. 

[SiouxVolley]

32 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

How in the hell are any of those schools going to lead to less travel? If you want to reduce costs, than its the Summit/MVFC. If UND could get a something worked out with leave/join dates between Big Sky and MVFC for the football team, it'd pretty much be a done deal. 

UND isn't getting in the MVFC.  

The pot of gold is a lot bigger eventually  with a WAC FBS.  The travel talk savings is just an excuse, and Kennedy has seized on it because for UND it would be saving trips to the west coast.

If UND has any football aspirations at all, it would take the WAC, not the MVFC.  If money does nor work out down the road for FBS, there is always the Slummit with poor schools like W Ill and IPFW.  Maybe N Colorado would sponsor us for the new Big Sky.  

When the FBS option comes into play, in a couple years, NDSU will probably take it if offered if we reject moving up, and we take their Slummit and MVFC spots.  The choice is clear, either we take the lead and go FBS, or allow NDSU to forever be tops in ND college fb.  Montana fb was 2nd rate to MSU until Washington built them a new stadium.  Things can change.

The Friday night maybe serves a purpose - the WAC still needs existing DI teams to survive and they don't want to call attention to that as in a Big Sky swap.

[SiouxVolley]

Cal Baptist doesn't actually join the WAC until the 2018-19 season, as they just moved to DII this decade from NAIA and needs five years in DII as a full member as well as 3 years in transition.

That means the addition of Cal Baptist doesn't remove the vulnerability of WAC until 2023.  Just one more school has to leave, assuming the disaster of Chicago St isn't resolved favorably (Illinois has to pay for DI status for a school with less than 90 freshman and dropping) and the WAC will lose its autobid to the dance.  

Big Sky Presidents respond to the situation the same way vultures gather around a dying or sick animal.  The Big Sky Presidents want to consume the WAC offices and privileges and then hold the right to offer themselves FBS status with out paying an arm and a leg to the MWC.  Only this time the WAC doesn't die and the WAC schools are given new life in conferences that suit them better.  No other FCS conference has a solution, but the Big Sky does if it just changes names and swap schools.  

A more accurate analogy is the Big Sky Presidents are like Gollum in the Hobbit series in their desire to possess the precious ring.  The ring that can bestow FBS status on their teams.  That ring is the WAC.

[jdub27]

10 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The Big Sky Presidents want to consume the WAC offices and privileges and then hold the right to offer themselves FBS status with out paying an arm and a leg to the MWC.  

Do you have anything to back up this claim? I'm having a hard time coming up with which Big Sky presidents have this mindset and any sort of source that back it up.

[SiouxVolley]

9 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Do you have anything to back up this claim? I'm having a hard time coming up with which Big Sky presidents have this mindset and any sort of source that back it up.

We'll count the number of claims that something will happen:

-Fullerton spoke up in a number of papers that an Big Sky FBS move was inevitable.  But those claims were not made made in the home town newspapers of teams that didn't want to move up or weren't capable yet.

-Denver U sources have said the Montanas backed out of the WAC expansion with UTA, UTSA, and Texas St.  Montana St borrowed money to expand their stadium to meet FBS standards, but later had financial issues so cancelled the NDSU game at little cost and got a big payment from SMU for a game.  Clearly, MSU couldn't have moved up to FBS then without running a bigger deficit, but now maybe can.

- Around the same time the WAC was going after the Montanas, the Big Sky offered Cal Poly and UC Davis affiliate spots and UND, USD, and SUU full time spots.  That was clearly a change in direction, as if the Big Sky was preparing for a major loss of teams or a split.  The Big Sky with 12 bb and 14 fb makes no sense without a split entering in the equation.

-In the same time period, the WAC and Big Sky had talks with the NCAA.  The NCAA actually changed its rules to allow former FBS conferences to invite FBS teams.  What prompted THAT?  The NCAA didn't have to do anything, but the new President Emmert is much more open hearted to Idaho and NMSU than previous NCAA presidents.  People that have bashed the WAC as a lower level league that won't survive don't know the true facts.

- In the following years, the Big Sky and WAC had merger talks several times.  The Big Sky wanted Denver and Seattle, which were part of the WAC then, to start FCS.  Denver and Seattle refused.  Why would the Big Sky need more FCS teams?  An FBS / FCS split is the only possible answer.  So instead, a school like Azusa Pacific, moved up to DII.  Azusa is a rival of California Baptist but has football.  The west coast Big Sky teams want and need more FCS teams.

- UND dropped baseball, which is very important to the Slummit survival, but as only a good move for UND if it went FBS.  The reality of the situation a Slummit add of UND does nearly nothing to help the Slummit's numbers except if UND restarted baseball.  A UND that is truly interested in the Slummit would have kept baseball and dropped tennis and swimming.  Instead, UND gave the middle finger to the Slummit.

- E Washington is desperately trying to get a new or renovated stadium over 15k.  The timing seems urgent.  Why would EWU need a bigger stadium Now?  Why can't it wait 10 years like other college fundraising projects (see NDSU).

- Weber St'S President and AD have told booster that a Big Sky split is going to happen.  This was a year ago.

-SUU's President told the local paper that the Big Sky will split down research and non-research institutions.

- Montana's improvements to Washington Stadium mirror the improvements that MAC teams have made - look up Miami's new fb offices and workout building.

- Montana's Engstrom hasn't been a strong proponent of athletics there, certainly compared to Dennison.  Engstrom retired to the end of last year so Montana is free to do what the Regents and Cruzado want.

- Freedom of Information requests from Idaho showed that it wanted the Montanas and UND in the league, or it didn't have to join the Big Sky.  Why would Idaho be so adamant on those three schools.  Perhaps those three were all planning FBS and are the beginnings of a Northern research consortium.

- The Southland, like the Big Sky is bloated with teams.  The Southland took Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian as if it knew that Lamar, Sam Houston St, and S F Austin would leave for FBS if given the chance. Those three wanted in the Sun Belt, but have been rebuffed.  A Southland of 14 teams makes no sense unless it is known or suspected that those 3 teams will leave.

-Wichita St and UTRGV show signs that an FBS bid is imminent for football, even though they don't have membership in an FBS conference yet.  Wichita St isn't interested in the MVFC, which is a slap in the face to the MVC and FCS.  Recent reports have the AAC interested in WSU, but it won't take a baby FBS program.  Wichita knows something and wants to build toward full membership with the help of another FBS league.  The MVC is running out on Wichita State Final Four run payments, so WSU's move is imminent.  The AAC will take it without FB, and the take them as a full member later when FBS is running in the WAC.

-Their have been reports that Liberty has an FBS bid coming from somewhere.  Existing FBS leagues unanimously renounce that talk about Liberty.  The only possible league that would take Liberty's big money is the WAC.  Liberty could sue and win as the FBS move up rule is likely unconstitutional as it is a restriction of free trade.  Why hasn't Liberty resorted to that?  Because the WAC will be a cheaper option.

-The next contract negotiation for the CFP are in 2023 or 2024.  The WAC needs to be back as an FBS before then to gain a seat at the table of FBS conferences.  A WAC transition in beginning in 2020 fits, with an FCS league before.

-Gene Roebuck said near his retirement that UND in an FBS WAC was likely before the end of the decade.  I trust Gene cause he doesn't speak idly like most do.

-UND's illustrations for a new on campus stadium are published.  Some say that is just idle talk.  But UND has multiple boosters that can make it a reality if they so choose.

 

A Big Sky and WAC to swap teams with one going FBS takes years of planning.  Its happening before our eyes but most prefer not to see and comprehend.

[southpaw]

Ok, so a lot of random things.  Too many random things to go through one by one.

My big question is who are the teams that will make up the WAC both for football and all sports?  Based on what you've said just in this post for football:  UND, Montana, MSU, Idaho, EWU. NMSU, Liberty, Lamar, SHSU, SFA, Wichita State.

In addition to those, here are the basketball teams: CSU Bakersfield, Grand Canyon, Seatlle, UMKC, UT Rio Grande Valley, Utah Valley and temporarily Chicago State.

16 teams in the basketball conference?  or are you expecting some of those to go to the "Big Sky" which would be a non-football location?  

If so, then your new big sky for non-football is: CSU Bakersfield, Grand Canyon, Seatle, UMKC, UT Rio Grande Valley, Utah Valley, Weber St, Portland State, UNC, Sac State, SUU, NAU, Idaho State.

A 14 team league that spreads from Seattle to way south Texas.  Two flights that if lucky, would only be 6 1/2 hours of travel.  Here's the map of this alleged new Big Sky, although I accidentally had EWU in there:

and here is the new WAC, because those teams will get people excited to go to games!

[bison73]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

We'll count the number of claims that something will happen:

-Fullerton spoke up in a number of papers that an Big Sky FBS move was inevitable.  But those claims were not made made in the home town newspapers of teams that didn't want to move up or weren't capable yet.

-Denver U sources have said the Montanas backed out of the WAC expansion with UTA, UTSA, and Texas St.  Montana St borrowed money to expand their stadium to meet FBS standards, but later had financial issues so cancelled the NDSU game at little cost and got a big payment from SMU for a game.  Clearly, MSU couldn't have moved up to FBS then without running a bigger deficit, but now maybe can.

- Around the same time the WAC was going after the Montanas, the Big Sky offered Cal Poly and UC Davis affiliate spots and UND, USD, and SUU full time spots.  That was clearly a change in direction, as if the Big Sky was preparing for a major loss of teams or a split.  The Big Sky with 12 bb and 14 fb makes no sense without a split entering in the equation.

-In the same time period, the WAC and Big Sky had talks with the NCAA.  The NCAA actually changed its rules to allow former FBS conferences to invite FBS teams.  What prompted THAT?  The NCAA didn't have to do anything, but the new President Emmert is much more open hearted to Idaho and NMSU than previous NCAA presidents.  People that have bashed the WAC as a lower level league that won't survive don't know the true facts.

- In the following years, the Big Sky and WAC had merger talks several times.  The Big Sky wanted Denver and Seattle, which were part of the WAC then, to start FCS.  Denver and Seattle refused.  Why would the Big Sky need more FCS teams?  An FBS / FCS split is the only possible answer.  So instead, a school like Azusa Pacific, moved up to DII.  Azusa is a rival of California Baptist but has football.  The west coast Big Sky teams want and need more FCS teams.

- UND dropped baseball, which is very important to the Slummit survival, but as only a good move for UND if it went FBS.  The reality of the situation a Slummit add of UND does nearly nothing to help the Slummit's numbers except if UND restarted baseball.  A UND that is truly interested in the Slummit would have kept baseball and dropped tennis and swimming.  Instead, UND gave the middle finger to the Slummit.

- E Washington is desperately trying to get a new or renovated stadium over 15k.  The timing seems urgent.  Why would EWU need a bigger stadium Now?  Why can't it wait 10 years like other college fundraising projects (see NDSU).

- Weber St'S President and AD have told booster that a Big Sky split is going to happen.  This was a year ago.

-SUU's President told the local paper that the Big Sky will split down research and non-research institutions.

- Montana's improvements to Washington Stadium mirror the improvements that MAC teams have made - look up Miami's new fb offices and workout building.

- Montana's Engstrom hasn't been a strong proponent of athletics there, certainly compared to Dennison.  Engstrom retired to the end of last year so Montana is free to do what the Regents and Cruzado want.

- Freedom of Information requests from Idaho showed that it wanted the Montanas and UND in the league, or it didn't have to join the Big Sky.  Why would Idaho be so adamant on those three schools.  Perhaps those three were all planning FBS and are the beginnings of a Northern research consortium.

- The Southland, like the Big Sky is bloated with teams.  The Southland took Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian as if it knew that Lamar, Sam Houston St, and S F Austin would leave for FBS if given the chance. Those three wanted in the Sun Belt, but have been rebuffed.  A Southland of 14 teams makes no sense unless it is known or suspected that those 3 teams will leave.

-Wichita St and UTRGV show signs that an FBS bid is imminent for football, even though they don't have membership in an FBS conference yet.  Wichita St isn't interested in the MVFC, which is a slap in the face to the MVC and FCS.  Recent reports have the AAC interested in WSU, but it won't take a baby FBS program.  Wichita knows something and wants to build toward full membership with the help of another FBS league.  The MVC is running out on Wichita State Final Four run payments, so WSU's move is imminent.  The AAC will take it without FB, and the take them as a full member later when FBS is running in the WAC.

-Their have been reports that Liberty has an FBS bid coming from somewhere.  Existing FBS leagues unanimously renounce that talk about Liberty.  The only possible league that would take Liberty's big money is the WAC.  Liberty could sue and win as the FBS move up rule is likely unconstitutional as it is a restriction of free trade.  Why hasn't Liberty resorted to that?  Because the WAC will be a cheaper option.

-The next contract negotiation for the CFP are in 2023 or 2024.  The WAC needs to be back as an FBS before then to gain a seat at the table of FBS conferences.  A WAC transition in beginning in 2020 fits, with an FCS league before.

-Gene Roebuck said near his retirement that UND in an FBS WAC was likely before the end of the decade.  I trust Gene cause he doesn't speak idly like most do.

-UND's illustrations for a new on campus stadium are published.  Some say that is just idle talk.  But UND has multiple boosters that can make it a reality if they so choose.

 

A Big Sky and WAC to swap teams with one going FBS takes years of planning.  Its happening before our eyes but most prefer not to see and comprehend.

You forgot to mention that most of those claims were by you.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, bison73 said:

You forgot to mention that most of those claims were by you.

You failed to mention that you have rebuked everyone of these with your stupid trolling logic.  After all, Fullerton was just a fool too.

[SiouxVolley]

Southpaw, 

Posted the new WAC a few times already.

WAC- North

Montana - Montana St

EWU - Idaho

UND - Weber St

WAC - South

UTRGV - Lamar

Sam Houston - SFAUSTIN

NMSU - Denver - maybe N Colo until it goes FBS

Wichita St - FB only - UMKC

Liberty fb only

 The Southland schools might not come over until 2020.

 

UND will have less travel miles in this league, but it isn't a bus league.

[bison73]

38 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

You failed to mention that you have rebuked everyone of these with your stupid trolling logic.  After all, Fullerton was just a fool too.

Fullerton couldnt sell his big lollapalooza so he admitted it and gave up.  You on the other hand...........

 

Do we need to post all of your predictions that didnt come true????

[jdub27]

15 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

We'll count the number of claims that something will happen:

Frankly, I don't care what the other schools are doing nor the reasons they are doing it. Things are also changing constantly and some of the stuff you are pointing out is almost a decade old. What I am concerned about is UND and that is where my knowledge lies, so that is what I will focus my response on. I will point out however, that Fullerton fully admitted his plan to get to 16 teams and opening up the possibility for a split failed because he couldn't get support from the University Presidents and the new commissioner has shown zero inclination of going down the same road.

 

15 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

- UND dropped baseball, which is very important to the Slummit survival, but as only a good move for UND if it went FBS.  The reality of the situation a Slummit add of UND does nearly nothing to help the Slummit's numbers except if UND restarted baseball.  A UND that is truly interested in the Slummit would have kept baseball and dropped tennis and swimming.  Instead, UND gave the middle finger to the Slummit.

-Gene Roebuck said near his retirement that UND in an FBS WAC was likely before the end of the decade.  I trust Gene cause he doesn't speak idly like most do.

-UND's illustrations for a new on campus stadium are published.  Some say that is just idle talk.  But UND has multiple boosters that can make it a reality if they so choose.

A Big Sky and WAC to swap teams with one going FBS takes years of planning.  Its happening before our eyes but most prefer not to see and comprehend.

-UND dropped baseball because it was low hanging fruit. If it was inevitable that UND was going to join the WAC, it seems odd they would drop their only affiliation with the conference. UND not having baseball will not prevent it from joining the Summit. It isn't a core sport requirement and they need a 10th team. Douple had his chance to shore up his baseball problem and decided he didn't need to. That ship has sailed. Tennis wasn't dropped because it is a core sport in the Big Sky, the conference they are currently a member of and would offer minimal cost savings. Swimming and diving wasn't dropped because of some strong voices in the athletic department protecting their pet sports.
-Any source on this? Gene has said a lot of things in his time and also doesn't make any final decisions. Not to mention a ton has changed in the 5 years since he retired. If you think a quote from 5 years ago, with no real proof from UND since then that something is imminent, then you're really grasping for straws.
-The master plan was drawn up in 2007, before UND had even decided to go Division 1 (or while they were making the decision). FBS was not even remotely on the table at that time, but having a "master plan" makes perfect sense considering the practice facility was something that they had started working on, so having a future vision to tie things together makes sense, regardless of whether some of it is not realistic. They are currently having issues fully funding Phase II of the HPC and finding money to support athletics, those are priorities, not FBS.

You keep talking about all these things that are happening before our eyes and hidden messages/signs in actions, yet you completely ignore actual documented communications between UND and the Big Sky regarding when they could leave the conference and UND and the MVFC/Summit on when they would be able to join. How much more of a smoking gun do you need? The proposed WAC conference doesn't offer any value to UND in terms of rivalries or travel cost savings, and in fact, makes it worse due to increased costs associated with being a lower level FBS team. That is exactly the opposite of what UND is looking for right now, especially as the higher ed budget continues to get shredded by the state legislature.

[Siouxperfan7]

SiouxVolley, does any of your information have actual sources or are you just coming up with it on your own? You constantly quote local new articles and interviews with school Presidents and AD's, but don't provide a link or anything.  Without sources, your information is just rumors and speculation that makes convincing others that it is fact very difficult.

[cberkas]

Cruzado doesn't care, I'll repeat that, doesn't care what the University of Montana does. If you think Montana State doesn't have money you are greatly mistaken, Cruzado knows how to get money and get it when she wants, she knows how to get alums to donate. Not only that Montana State has been building and remolding since the football stadium expansion was started.

Engstrom was lucky he was there as long as he was. Declining enrollment, losing money, and the whole rape debacle. The Regents didn't force Engstrom the resign the State Lawmakers did. Engstrom lost the school when you have students and faculty are signing a petition for the governor to remove you.

I don't know where you and all these people on CSNBBS get that Liberty can sue the NCAA because they can't be FBS because of the WAC, which isn't currently a FBS conference. Let Liberty sue the NCAA and watch the NCAA laugh at them and watch their suit get thrown out.

There is a reason no one has joined the WAC for football, and your plan is so ridiculous that the teams that get kicked out for other teams in another conference just because they have football is going to bring in a lot of problems. Which could end up in court. To do your plan Cal. Baptist has to be D1, they have what 4 or 5 years until they are in the WAC. The CFP is up in 2025 and everyone knows the P5 want more for themselves and the G5 is going to have no say in that, and the G5 doesn't want to share what they get with a conference that isn't even at the FCS table.

You keep bringing up that the P5 needs G5 teams to play, yet B1G and PAC12 want everyone in the P5 to play the same number of games against P5 teams. Only the SEC is against it.

 

[SiouxVolley]

9 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Frankly, I don't care what the other schools are doing nor the reasons they are doing it. Things are also changing constantly and some of the stuff you are pointing out is almost a decade old. What I am concerned about is UND and that is where my knowledge lies, so that is what I will focus my response on. I will point out however, that Fullerton fully admitted his plan to get to 16 teams and opening up the possibility for a split failed because he couldn't get support from the University Presidents and the new commissioner has shown zero inclination of going down the same road.

 

-UND dropped baseball because it was low hanging fruit. If it was inevitable that UND was going to join the WAC, it seems odd they would drop their only affiliation with the conference. UND not having baseball will not prevent it from joining the Summit. It isn't a core sport requirement and they need a 10th team. Douple had his chance to shore up his baseball problem and decided he didn't need to. That ship has sailed. Tennis wasn't dropped because it is a core sport in the Big Sky, the conference they are currently a member of and would offer minimal cost savings. Swimming and diving wasn't dropped because of some strong voices in the athletic department protecting their pet sports.
-Any source on this? Gene has said a lot of things in his time and also doesn't make any final decisions. Not to mention a ton has changed in the 5 years since he retired. If you think a quote from 5 years ago, with no real proof from UND since then that something is imminent, then you're really grasping for straws.
-The master plan was drawn up in 2007, before UND had even decided to go Division 1 (or while they were making the decision). FBS was not even remotely on the table at that time, but having a "master plan" makes perfect sense considering the practice facility was something that they had started working on, so having a future vision to tie things together makes sense, regardless of whether some of it is not realistic. They are currently having issues fully funding Phase II of the HPC and finding money to support athletics, those are priorities, not FBS.

You keep talking about all these things that are happening before our eyes and hidden messages/signs in actions, yet you completely ignore actual documented communications between UND and the Big Sky regarding when they could leave the conference and UND and the MVFC/Summit on when they would be able to join. How much more of a smoking gun do you need? The proposed WAC conference doesn't offer any value to UND in terms of rivalries or travel cost savings, and in fact, makes it worse due to increased costs associated with being a lower level FBS team. That is exactly the opposite of what UND is looking for right now, especially as the higher ed budget continues to get shredded by the state legislature.

There is not documented information anywhere on Kennedy wanting in the Slummit.  Faison sending text messages to Douple is something anyone can do, especially if it was to fool a two bit reporter like Miller.  Apparently Faison fools most on this board too.

UND is much more like Wichita St, which has FBS aspirations, than W Illinois, which is the only school that has been in the Slummit since it formed.  Wichita St prides itself on its aerospace, business and basketball programs.  UND is much more diversified and nearly the same size.  W Illinois meanwhile is a declining school with only marginal programs in criminal justice and education, an oversized Dickinson St.  So that what you believe UND should aspire too?  Unbelievable aspirations right there,

How many time do I have to mention the WAC will be FCS first, and then FBS.  That is conveniently overlooked here.  The economy will play into this, but you seem to be insisting that North Dakota will be a basket case for years now.  Why bother planning for anything  let's just drop sports and do the minimum to stay DI.

So it's wrong for Kennedy and me to have aspirations for UND ATHLETICS?  That is the tone is here.

[SiouxVolley]

8 hours ago, cberkas said:

Cruzado doesn't care, I'll repeat that, doesn't care what the University of Montana does. If you think Montana State doesn't have money you are greatly mistaken, Cruzado knows how to get money and get it when she wants, she knows how to get alums to donate. Not only that Montana State has been building and remolding since the football stadium expansion was started.

Engstrom was lucky he was there as long as he was. Declining enrollment, losing money, and the whole rape debacle. The Regents didn't force Engstrom the resign the State Lawmakers did. Engstrom lost the school when you have students and faculty are signing a petition for the governor to remove you.

I don't know where you and all these people on CSNBBS get that Liberty can sue the NCAA because they can't be FBS because of the WAC, which isn't currently a FBS conference. Let Liberty sue the NCAA and watch the NCAA laugh at them and watch their suit get thrown out.

There is a reason no one has joined the WAC for football, and your plan is so ridiculous that the teams that get kicked out for other teams in another conference just because they have football is going to bring in a lot of problems. Which could end up in court. To do your plan Cal. Baptist has to be D1, they have what 4 or 5 years until they are in the WAC. The CFP is up in 2025 and everyone knows the P5 want more for themselves and the G5 is going to have no say in that, and the G5 doesn't want to share what they get with a conference that isn't even at the FCS table.

You keep bringing up that the P5 needs G5 teams to play, yet B1G and PAC12 want everyone in the P5 to play the same number of games against P5 teams. Only the SEC is against it.

 

The Montana Regents want both schools in the same league.  MSU had money problems when it expanded its stadium, but you rant on.  Take your arguments to the bizon board where they were livid at MSU cancelling their game to go with a moneyed G5 to help balance their athletic budget.

Many of the people on CNSBBS strongly dislike Liberty, but some of the posters are lawyers that say Liberty would likely win a case against the NCAA on the FBS rules.  I take their word much more than yours.

NMSU mens basketball coach Weir recently said at a media days event that more football teams will be coming to the WAC, but he probably shouldnt say that.  Cal Baptist doesn't have fball.  But I Coach Weir guess he is just a buffoon too.

It takes years of planning for a new FBS conference to get off the ground.  The Sun Belt was a non-fb conference for most of its existence, but decided to go FBS around the year 2000 because the rules allowed it then.  That took years of planning.

The ignorance of responders here is astounding.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

There is not documented information anywhere on Kennedy wanting in the Slummit.  Faison sending text messages to Douple is something anyone can do, especially if it was to fool a two bit reporter like Miller.  Apparently Faison fools most on this board too.

Strange that they'd both fly out to meet with Patty V. or that Kennedy would go down to the NDSU/SDSU playoff game she also happened to be in attendance at. Keep living in denial, the holdup right now is making sure the football team isn't on an island for multiple years. 

And they're sure as hell is more documented instances of Kennedy discussing the Summit and than there is of him talking about the WAC. He specifically had the IAC consider Summit requirements when doing their review. 

I also want to point out the the Summit/MVFC isn't what I'm advocating for, there is definitely advantages and disadvantages, I'm just pointing out what seems to be very obvious and the likely end game at this point in time. 

[UNDvince97-01]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

There is not documented information anywhere on Kennedy wanting in the Slummit.  Faison sending text messages to Douple is something anyone can do, especially if it was to fool a two bit reporter like Miller.  Apparently Faison fools most on this board too.

Let me preface this by saying I don't dislike your thought and theory of UND in an FBS WAC. I'm not sure we are ready for it or if most importantly, it's financially plausible given the current status of the state, but I don't scoff at the aggressiveness to play at the highest level.

Having said that, what happens to your theories when UND joins the summit in 2018 or 2019? I feel it's inevitable and only a matter of time and official announcement. Does that change things for you? Right, wrong or otherwise, whether you or I or anyone else like it, it's gonna happen....Soon.

Honest question. What then? We still going to FBS WAC?

[bison73]

2 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

There is not documented information anywhere on Kennedy wanting in the Slummit.  Faison sending text messages to Douple is something anyone can do, especially if it was to fool a two bit reporter like Miller.  Apparently Faison fools most on this board too.

UND is much more like Wichita St, which has FBS aspirations, than W Illinois, which is the only school that has been in the Slummit since it formed.  Wichita St prides itself on its aerospace, business and basketball programs.  UND is much more diversified and nearly the same size.  W Illinois meanwhile is a declining school with only marginal programs in criminal justice and education, an oversized Dickinson St.  So that what you believe UND should aspire too?  Unbelievable aspirations right there,

How many time do I have to mention the WAC will be FCS first, and then FBS.  That is conveniently overlooked here.  The economy will play into this, but you seem to be insisting that North Dakota will be a basket case for years now.  Why bother planning for anything  let's just drop sports and do the minimum to stay DI.

So it's wrong for Kennedy and me to have aspirations for UND ATHLETICS?  That is the tone is here.

NOBODY is against aspirations. What nobody will accept is your convoluted theories to arrive at your preconceived notion as fact. And you have presented much as fact which has been shown to not be true. Not to mention your continued predictions that have all gone down the drain as well.

Aspire all you want. But take no umbridge against those who are leery of your tales.

[SiouxVolley]

Cameron Dollar, the men's bball coach at Seattle, just said Cal Baptist won't be the only school added to the WAC.

https://m.facebook.com/GoSeattleU/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

His comment about expansion came after the 7:30 mark.

NMSU's Coach Weir has also said the same, only that the WAC will get more fb schools.

I guess these are just two buffoons according to bizon trolls and other know-it-alls here.

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, UNDvince97-01 said:

Let me preface this by saying I don't dislike your thought and theory of UND in an FBS WAC. I'm not sure we are ready for it or if most importantly, it's financially plausible given the current status of the state, but I don't scoff at the aggressiveness to play at the highest level.

Having said that, what happens to your theories when UND joins the summit in 2018 or 2019? I feel it's inevitable and only a matter of time and official announcement. Does that change things for you? Right, wrong or otherwise, whether you or I or anyone else like it, it's gonna happen....Soon.

Honest question. What then? We still going to FBS WAC?

We are going to an FCS WAC first, and if we have funding and an FBS stadium, later our leadership wants FBS when the whole league transitions up.

It doesn't hurt to play nice with Slummit and MVFC people if we don't have money down the road.  It called politics, which much of this board doesn't seem to acknowledge school presidents have to play the politics game even with conferences.  That's often why they make appearances with officials.

This is getting more and more like a bizon board, as UND can't do anything aspirational there, except in hockey.

[southpaw]

How can the WAC be an FCS league without losing its FBS conference status?

[jdub27]

9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

We are going to an FCS WAC first, and if we have funding and an FBS stadium, later our leadership wants FBS when the whole league transitions up.

It doesn't hurt to play nice with Slummit and MVFC people if we don't have money down the road.  It called politics, which much of this board doesn't seem to acknowledge school presidents have to play the politics game even with conferences.  That's often why they make appearances with officials.

This is getting more and more like a bizon board, as UND can't do anything aspirational there, except in hockey.

So UND is going to switch to an FCS WAC and then an FCS conference is going to move up to an FBS conference (which isn't allowed)? And if UND doesn't have the funds, they will move back to the Big Sky?

You also didn't actually address the question about what happens to your plan if UND moves to the Summit/MVFC.

No one is saying UND can't be aspirational, people are saying what you are proposing doesn't make sense, won't be beneficial or is based on a lot of conjecture.