Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SIOUXFAN97]

30 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Link?

im asking you? can't tell if this a total troll job about meeeting tomorrow and mwc annojncemnt monday or are they just drunk

[NewUndFan]

I have no inside knowledge but I think them moving to the mountain west is more likely then not.  Their coach didnt just stay there without something going on.  Like it or not they have a national brand that could help the mountain west.  

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, NewUndFan said:

I have no inside knowledge but I think them moving to the mountain west is more likely then not.  Their coach didnt just stay there without something going on.  Like it or not they have a national brand that could help the mountain west.  

Didn't one of their other coaches recently sign an extension before he bolted less than a year later? 

OSO/WSU aren't super attractive jobs. Parlayed that into more money and to wait out a better opportunity. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, NewUndFan said:

Like it or not they have a national brand that could help the mountain west.  

A national brand? Do you really believe that people from coast to coast and border to border actively follow NDSU FB? If that was the case, they'd have a national television contract like Notre Dame.

Fargo and the media conglomerate there may believe that they are "center of the known universe", but it's still a city in flyover country that doesn't add much value to those all important TV contracts. And television rules CFB right now.

I'll believe this move to the MWC when I see it.

[homer]

2 hours ago, NewUndFan said:

I have no inside knowledge but I think them moving to the mountain west is more likely then not.  Their coach didnt just stay there without something going on.  Like it or not they have a national brand that could help the mountain west.  

I generally would agree but one can play devils advocate with Montana St coach.  Exact same situation and nearly identical announcement.  

[NewUndFan]

19 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

A national brand? Do you really believe that people from coast to coast and border to border actively follow NDSU FB? If that was the case, they'd have a national television contract like Notre Dame.

Fargo and the media conglomerate there may believe that they are "center of the known universe", but it's still a city in flyover country that doesn't add much value to those all important TV contracts. And television rules CFB right now.

I'll believe this move to the MWC when I see it.

10 national championships in 14 years brings some name recognition.   You think Laramie Wyoming is any more of a fly over then Fargo ?   I didnt expect any Homer's to agree with me.   I guess we wait and see if they go FBS. 

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, NewUndFan said:

10 national championships in 14 years brings some name recognition.   You think Laramie Wyoming is any more of a fly over then Fargo ?   I didnt expect any Homer's to agree with me.   I guess we wait and see if they go FBS. 

Those are FCS titles in an increasingly watered down division. The national sports media doesn't give much attention or respect to anything below the P4 FBS level. It's always been like that.

And moving to FBS means the best you could hope for is either 1) a low ranked bowl game nobody cares about or 2) a spot in the CFP where you'd get boat raced by the likes of Oregon or Ole Miss.

Unless the G6 gets its own playoff, I don't think being a G6 FBS team is worth all the time, money and effort.

[Shawn-O]

23 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Those are FCS titles in an increasingly watered down division. The national sports media doesn't give much attention or respect to anything below the P4 FBS level. It's always been like that.

And moving to FBS means the best you could hope for is either 1) a low ranked bowl game nobody cares about or 2) a spot in the CFP where you'd get boat raced by the likes of Oregon or Ole Miss.

Unless the G6 gets its own playoff, I don't think being a G6 FBS team is worth all the time, money and effort.

With what’s happened today with Tulane and JMU they’ll be lucky if the playoff structure doesn’t change to 4 P4 champs + 8 

[GeauxSioux]

I live in the South where football is a religion.  When I tell people down here that I went to UND they ask me if that is that D2 school that's really good in football.  So yes, they have heard that there is a school in North Dakota that is good at football.  They can't tell you which school it is, nor can they tell you what division in which they play.

[NewUndFan]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Those are FCS titles in an increasingly watered down division. The national sports media doesn't give much attention or respect to anything below the P4 FBS level. It's always been like that.

And moving to FBS means the best you could hope for is either 1) a low ranked bowl game nobody cares about or 2) a spot in the CFP where you'd get boat raced by the likes of Oregon or Ole Miss.

Unless the G6 gets its own playoff, I don't think being a G6 FBS team is worth all the time, money and effort.

Im not debating whether I think its a good or bad idea if they move up. I think personally they are in a bad situation.  Their fans are bored with winning and attendance has declined.  They can keep winning national championships or move up and a be a small fish.  Neither is great.   We can only hope to have that problem someday at UND.  

[AJS]

Echoing some things others have posted. UND needs to position themselves for the move. Are you excited by the G6 is absolutely debatable, but what cannot happen is SDSU, Montana, Montana State go too. UND needs to tether themselves to those schools.  
 

NDSU has no choice. IMO, there’s no worse time in college football history to be in the G6 for a school like NDSU. Missouri State for example, they are having a great time going 9-3 and playing on a Bowl game. Bowl games are becoming irrelevant, NDSU going 10-2 gets them nothing. In a lot of ways they are in a lose / lose situation (given fanbase expectations). 
 

What I’m hoping for will give NDSU short term shot in the arm, but imo will be worse long term. MW invite with Davis & Tarelton. MW invite w/ SDSU & Montanas would be worse case. MW with no rivals and a lot of schools with zero brand recognition to average fan is risky. Lose early and you’re playing for nothing the rest of the year.

[AJS]

Pipe dream for me would be then getting with other Dakota / Montana schools, either staying in FCS or try to move to say Conf USA together (northern / western branch). With the cost of everything. Regional will be important. Rivals are important.

[nodak651]

16 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

im asking you? can't tell if this a total troll job about meeeting tomorrow and mwc annojncemnt monday or are they just drunk

You know they have a website with a list of meetings that YOU can check.

[NewUndFan]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Pipe dream for me would be then getting with other Dakota / Montana schools, either staying in FCS or try to move to say Conf USA together (northern / western branch). With the cost of everything. Regional will be important. Rivals are important.

Another pipe dream would be Dakota schools, Montana and Idaho schools form their own conference in all sports.   Throw in Omaha and Northern Colorado if we need 10.  I know that wont happen but would be a great conference.  

[Shawn-O]

Is it a safe assumption the people like Armacost and Cook actually speak to each other on such matters, unlike two decades ago? 

[homer]

32 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Is it a safe assumption the people like Armacost and Cook actually speak to each other on such matters, unlike two decades ago? 

Hopefully but with Cook having a foot out the door who knows.  
 

Regardless of what NDSU does, UND needs to be ready, needs to be thinking about a way to do it regionally or with regional teams.  Any FCS teams that have had success moving up have tight footprints for conferences a footprint crossing multiple time zones.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

You know they have a website with a list of meetings that YOU can check.

i don't

[JacksonW]

14 hours ago, GeauxSioux said:

I live in the South where football is a religion.  When I tell people down here that I went to UND they ask me if that is that D2 school that's really good in football.  So yes, they have heard that there is a school in North Dakota that is good at football.  They can't tell you which school it is, nor can they tell you what division in which they play.

Absolutely true ^

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, nodak651 said:

You know they have a website with a list of meetings that YOU can check.

 

52 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

i don't

Google … 

[SIOUXFAN97]

20 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Link?

bisonville...of course

[SIOUXFAN97]