Oxbow6 Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Seems the NDSU Foundation is going to stiff some of the bills left behind, even after the Board has said that the bills are the Foundation's and the Board won't allow state money for the expenses. Better? Now Chapman's gone for two weeks looking for ... a new house ... in Colorado. Probably going to use Gayle's $50K Foundation salary for the down payment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Jan 2? No. It seems the ND SBoHE wants to cut Joe loose a month earlier than that. http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/apAr...e/id/D9BH52600/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Seems the NDSU Foundation is going to stiff some of the bills left behind, even after the Board has said that the bills are the Foundation's and the Board won't allow state money for the expenses. http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/257363/ Better? Now Chapman's gone for two weeks looking for ... a new house ... in Colorado. Do we have extradition with Colorado? Sandy Blunt is appealing a conviction for misspending $25,000 or so of state money. This seems a lot more clear cut than that. The state legislature set a limit and the NDSU guys knowingly and willfully ignored that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Do we have extradition with Colorado? Sandy Blunt is appealing a conviction for misspending $25,000 or so of state money. This seems a lot more clear cut than that. The state legislature set a limit and the NDSU guys knowingly and willfully ignored that. No crime has been committed. Time to move on and deal with the situation as is. New president. New rules/oversight will be drawn up to ensure that simple mistakes like this won't happen again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 No crime has been committed. Time to move on and deal with the situation as is. New president. New rules/oversight will be drawn up to ensure that simple mistakes like this won't happen again. It's a crime. It was illegal for them to build a palace that cost more than authorized. Since the NDSU one was done deliberately (assuming the news accounts were accurate) then they have to prosecute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 It's a crime. It was illegal for them to build a palace that cost more than authorized. Since the NDSU one was done deliberately (assuming the news accounts were accurate) then they have to prosecute. Nope, you're fantasizing at this point. There will be no criminal investigation as there were no laws broken. It was a faulty process without the correct oversight, that lead to the mistakes in the cost estimating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Nope, you're fantasizing at this point. There will be no criminal investigation as there were no laws broken. It was a faulty process without the correct oversight, that lead to the mistakes in the cost estimating. Sorry, but you're spinning this a little quickly. Laws may not have been broken, and if that's true then no one will be in trouble. But money was spent without authorization, the SBoHE will not authorize NDSU to pay those costs, and the NDSU Foundation is refusing to pay them. And breaking the rules was done on purpose. This story isn't done yet and a lot of questions still need to be answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Sorry, but you're spinning this a little quickly. Laws may not have been broken, and if that's true then no one will be in trouble. But money was spent without authorization, the SBoHE will not authorize NDSU to pay those costs, and the NDSU Foundation is refusing to pay them. And breaking the rules was done on purpose. This story isn't done yet and a lot of questions still need to be answered. Maybe Chapman's fines can go to paying for the cost overruns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Nope, you're fantasizing at this point. There will be no criminal investigation as there were no laws broken. It was a faulty process without the correct oversight, that lead to the mistakes in the cost estimating. You may wish to correct that to " there may not be a criminal investigation and thus far, we have no evidence that laws were broken". Criminal charges have been discussed at the highest levels and if all funds at the school are audited, there is talk that that both student funds and other funds may have been misappropriated. Do you really think this guy is above that?? The SBoHE wants this to go away as quickly and quietly as they can get him to. I personally heard one of his most staunch supporters on the board state "he will not be getting his job back" when she was asked about the student support to get him to stay. People who think the media or SBoHE is railroading this clown are fools. He is an arrogant, condescending, self serving jerk who has taken your foundation for hundreds of thousands of dollars for expenses that are at best questionable. He is not dumb and he has done a lot of good for NDSU. As long as you feel the end justifies the means and have no regard for ethics, Joe is your guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/257363/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/257363/ It must be bad if JQ Paulsen is signing the letter to Chapman. So, shall we review the timeline once again in light of this new information: Oct 1: NDSU-F agrees (begrudgingly) to pay $373k of house overruns that NDSU could not pay. Oct 7: NDSU-F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 If the NDSU-F had a good relationship with Chapman, why didn't they just work things out quietly with him? It would seem Chapman finally poisoned his relationship with the NDSU-F. That puts his resignation in a different perspective. It's one thing for a tense relationship with the SBoHE, he seemed to thrive on that. Even made himself out to be the martyr in his working relationship with them. However, if he thought he could no longer trust key people at the NDSU-F to toe the line, taking his bat and ball and going home makes more sense. Could you be a more enabling supporter of Whiskey Joe??? He (Joe) could no longer trust the Foundation??? Please! Someone on the Foundation board finally grew some onions and said enough's enough with this ego-maniac! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 For years Chapman has been this aloof figure that believed rules were for other people. What made him suddenly change his tune? Sure I think the fact that the Foundation wasn't backing him was part of it, but I also believe the fact that his wife is involved in this mess played into it heavily. He liked being the BMOC, but I wonder if his wife was a bit squeamish about being the target of ire. Not quite ready for that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Joe finally ran up bills that the NDSU-F just couldn't (or wouldn't) keep up with. So, the NDSU-F starting giving the information to anyone who asked and let the rest take care of itself. Starting with a house plan that was over and then adding to it, and then going on a $22k weekend trip, the NDSU-F had to know what would be the result when that all came into the public spotlight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Could you be a more enabling supporter of Whiskey Joe??? He (Joe) could no longer trust the Foundation??? Please! Someone on the Foundation board finally grew some onions and said enough's enough with this ego-maniac! It would seem Chapman finally poisoned his relationship with the NDSU-F. Even made himself out to be the martyr in his working relationship with them. However, if he thought he could no longer trust key people at the NDSU-F to toe the line, taking his bat and ball and going home makes more sense. Boy, you sure had to torture and/or ignore these quotes to come to your conclusion. Are you sure you read it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Joe finally ran up bills that the NDSU-F just couldn't (or wouldn't) keep up with. So, the NDSU-F starting giving the information to anyone who asked and let the rest take care of itself. Starting with a house plan that was over and then adding to it, and then going on a $22k weekend trip, the NDSU-F had to know what would be the result when that all came into the public spotlight. With the Foundation's sudden change with regard to Chapman, perhaps a big potential donor gave an ultimatum: either Chapman or the donation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Boy, you sure had to torture and/or ignore these quotes to come to your conclusion. Are you sure you read it all? Read it quickly and obviously inaccurately...my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 Marcil Speaks on Mansion Yes, mistakes were made: the Development Foundation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMeister Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/259563/group/home/ "In lieu of gifts, donations can be made to the NDSU Development Foundation, designated to the Chapman Family Endowment. The Chapmans established this scholarship fund to honor members of their family. " Isn't irony cool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Marcil Speaks on Mansion I think it will all go away when they finally convict the parties responsible for misallocating state money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/260150/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/260150/ The cost over-run was an honest mistake. Won't ever happen again due to oversight reforms. You can drop the faux outrage now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The cost over-run was an honest mistake. Won't ever happen again due to oversight reforms. You can drop the faux outrage now. The University of North Dakota used private money to cover the entire cost of its president's house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/260150/ Headline seems to be a tad misleading. From the article. "The money will not come from taxpayer funds or tuition dollars. It comes from interest income, auxiliary revenues and Coke and Pepsi commissions." Although I do think the Development Foundation is absolutely wrong on this one. They should be responsible for providing the balance of the funds to cover the cost overruns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Good for them and shame on the NDSU foundation. What else can you do? The contractors who built the house have to get paid. No money taken from taxpayers for it. Like I said, it was an honest mistake that won't happen again. Live and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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