Walsh Hall Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Is it necessary to have a formal nickname? Would it be possible to just be the U of North Dakota and use the logo? Quote
JacksonW Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 We don't know what kind of support they need to meet the supporting tribe requirement - perhaps they already have the support they need, or have an agreement with a Sioux tribe in the works that will satisfy the requirement. If they can negotiate their way into keeping the name, it's going to be much cheaper than fighting in court over it for the next three or four years, and probably faster, too. I still think there's a cause of action under equal protection in federal court if they want to keep the name, and people other than the university could reasonably have standing to sue. I strongly doubt that the NCAA, made up of mostly public university member institutions, isn't a state actor for equal protection purposes... John. I have often thought that UND medical school should attempt to become a leader in the addiction field. It has a huge impact socially and financially throughout the country. The current "solutions" are in need of improvment. It could build large clinics in Devils Lake area and Bismarck area for treatment and training. Encourage Native American participatation working on new solutions to a serious problem for them and many others. Work on reducing prison population that are in for drug and alcohol related reasons. Become world renowned for innovation in attacking the problem. I think this is the kind of thing that would influence tribal councils rather than an evening of entertainment. Quote
Dak Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 The University of North Dakota should not be at the mercy of nobody. "If that approval is granted, it may be withdrawn at any time and UND must change its nickname within one year, said Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem." Quote
darell1976 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 QUOTE: UND must win approval from the tribal councils of both the Standing Rock and Spirit Lake reservations. If that approval is granted, it may be withdrawn at any time and UND must change its nickname within one year, said Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem. Oh hell why bother then. You know they will withdraw it later anyways. Just change it now. That is a stupid provision by Stenehjem, he should have made it indifinate. Quote
sioux7>5 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I guess I feel very disappointed that they did not fight to the end. If they were going to agree to this why did they go to court at all. I think that the NCAA should have to do more then formally say they are not "Hostile and Abusive". And if the name is not "Hostile and Abusive" then we should ahve never been on that list at all, therefore we would have not been in this mess at all. So my question is still. Why? Quote
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I have often thought that UND medical school should attempt to become a leader in the addiction field. It has a huge impact socially and financially throughout the country. The current "solutions" are in need of improvment. It could build large clinics in Devils Lake area and Bismarck area for treatment and training. Encourage Native American participatation working on new solutions to a serious problem for them and many others. Work on reducing prison population that are in for drug and alcohol related reasons. Become world renowned for innovation in attacking the problem. I think this is the kind of thing that would influence tribal councils rather than an evening of entertainment. I agree totally. The only way to resolve this issue will be to sit down with the tribes and say "what can we do?". Honestly, though, I think the quick reply will be "not a damn thing" and the nickname will be gone in three years. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 So my question is still. Why? Because this way Standing Rock and Spirit Lake will have done it to themselves. Quote
pstar Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 It wont be the same watching the Gophers take on the Flickertails. From a Gopher perspective, I'm torn. I love anything that pisses Sioux fans off , on the other hand, I'll miss the old Sioux name. I understand the move however, and I thnk you should just move forward with adopting a new name and logo. It seems the writting is on the wall. Why wait three years. It would just drag out the inevitable. And while I like Force of the North as a slogan, it's not a name. BTW, what's with the new logo on this web page? It's kind of lame compared to the the classic "Blackhawks" Siou head or even the more recent Sioux head you've used. Quote
NDSUguy Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I'll probably get blasted for this idea but here goes nothing...... There seems to be much hatred towards the NCAA for mandating this. Some have said that its "illegal" or "unconsitutional" for the NCAA to govern. To that my response is.... leave the NCAA. The NCAA is a group or club. Just like any self governed group the members must play by the rules. If UND and its supporters want to keep the name....then leave. If you want to say then ditch the name. It's pretty simple. Also, I have heard many criticize the NCAA and refer to it as NC$$.... Please feel free to give the NCAA its money back once a conference is gained for non-football sports. I"m sure that the NCAA would love to not have to give monies from the NCAA basketball tournaments to UND. Quote
sioux7>5 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 My simple only request is that if the name does change, then I think it should be something that the public chooses. Go Cavalry!!!! Quote
MafiaMan Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 My simple only request is that if the name does change, then I think it should be something that the public chooses. Go Cavalry!!!! Good luck. A "multi-cultural" committee full of "diversity" will surely approve the final choices and you'll wind up with this: Storm Thunder Lightning Heat Wild Fusion Fury Silver Hawks Blue Sky Shining Prairie Quote
darell1976 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 My simple only request is that if the name does change, then I think it should be something that the public chooses. Go Cavalry!!!! I agree thats what we did at Central my senior year we were known as Redskins my freshmen year then the school board dropped the name then the rest of my years at Central we were the Maroon and Grey so my senior year we the students wrote down names that had to do with Central as a whole, and the final two were Knights and Pride and Knights won by a landslide because its part of Central's song, so i think the students of UND should vote for a new name and use the same elimination process we used at Central. Quote
proudsioux Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I think the real losers in this deal is the indiains. They haave the burden of whetere or not the states flagship college will continue to use there nickname. Nad they now if they disaapprove, there goes millions do $$$ to them and poverty will incease. They disapprove, more racism, less goin tothe casinos, less indian prgrams at UND. Uh oh Quote
sioux7>5 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Good luck. A "multi-cultural" committee full of "diversity" will surely approve the final choices and you'll wind up with this: Storm Thunder Lightning Heat Wild Fusion Fury Silver Hawks Blue Sky Shining Prairie You forgot one....The none nickname, just The University of North Dakota! This whole thing is totally ridiculous Quote
Dak Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 The University of North Dakota _____________? Today sucks Quote
Dak Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Good luck. A "multi-cultural" committee full of "diversity" will surely approve the final choices and you'll wind up with this: Storm Thunder Lightning Heat Wild Fusion Fury Silver Hawks Blue Sky Shining Prairie I like the BLIZZARD Quote
NDSUguy Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I think the real losers in this deal is the indiains. They haave the burden of whetere or not the states flagship college will continue to use there nickname. Nad they now if they disaapprove, there goes millions do $$$ to them and poverty will incease. They disapprove, more racism, less goin tothe casinos, less indian prgrams at UND. Uh oh Why would indian programs, gambling decrease and poverty increase? still scratching my head over that comment.... Quote
westsidesioux Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Do people actually think that if we change the nickname we'll be able to keep the logo?!?! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!! This whole case has to do with the nickname AND the logo. To suggest that we'll somehow be able to keep the logo has to be one of the dumbest things I've heard all morning. Quote
Sioux-per Villain Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 looks like the "fight" is officially out of the "Fighting Sioux".......how weak... Go Huskies, Bulldogs, Pioneers, Gophers, Mavericks, Tigers, Seawolves, Badgers... Quote
Goon Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 looks like the "fight" is officially out of the "Fighting Sioux".......how weak... Go Huskies, Bulldogs, Pioneers, Gophers, Mavericks, Tigers, Seawolves, Badgers... That is an unacceptable settlement. Seems we didn't get much after spending 900,000.00. Quote
darell1976 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I like the BLIZZARD And if we ever play Miami then its the Blizzard vs the Hurricanes. Quote
kfah1 Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 I like the BLIZZARD The Blizzard... that's the name of our County's Hockey Association... I've always like it. But not as much as I like(d) the Fighting Sioux... Quote
NorthDakotaHockey Posted October 26, 2007 Posted October 26, 2007 Wow. Sounds like a green weenie deal to me. Me thinks that the driving force behind this "recommended" deal is that the lawyers who had been crawling all over the case, sucking fees for how many months, finally figured that they had been to the trough long enough and that, rather going to the hind titty called the nitty gritty work of preparing for trial and getting the job done, it was best to propose a wrap on the deal now. Of course, this is a bit unfair as I have not seen any details on the agreement. I suppose that not requiring The Ralph to retrofit at any time for any reason is a good thing. I suppose that support from the tribes can be garnered. Allowing the tribes to change their mind at a later time is b.s. Perhaps the University could contract that right away from the tribes, depending on whatever consideration might be given for that relinquished right. All in all, in sounds to me like the lawyers got weak knees after getting full pockets. A typical malady of many, if not most, lawyers. I say, no nickname, just "North Dakota." Use the state highway symbol for a logo. Quote
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