NCAA seeding

[cberkas]

2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Do you mean can't play Michigan or Michigan State or is there some kind of between the lines bylaw that I'm missing out on?

When a conference has 5 or more teams in the tournament, intra-conference matches are allowed for bracket integrity. I’m sure this happened to the WCHA once. 

[AJS]

27 minutes ago, AJS said:

Just read the Herald article. Nothing but movement away from the 1 v 16, 2 v 15 type of bracket. What’s the purpose of the NPI if it’s not going to be used.

Get frustrated with regionality. If it lines up, then fine, but moving teams around so you play a team for potentially 6th time is annoying. 

Last hot take of the day. I like the idea of UMD being the 2 seed in UND’s regional. Annoying regardless if they move teams around.

[ND_Texan]

21 minutes ago, AJS said:

Last hot take of the day. I like the idea of UMD being the 2 seed in UND’s regional. Annoying regardless if they move teams around.

Agreed! I think they lose to DU and land at #7, and will be tested to the max by #10 (Penn State?). I like our odds in a UMD rematch, should that be the case.

[franchise]

6 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

Agreed! I think they lose to DU and land at #7, and will be tested to the max by #10 (Penn State?). I like our odds in a UMD rematch, should that be the case.

I don't view UMD as an unbeatable road block, I just find it very annoying to get to the tourney and play the same teams.

[Dustin]

53 minutes ago, AJS said:

What’s the purpose of the NPI if it’s not going to be used.

This may be a bastardization of the "selection and seeding" literature, but I now take it as the "selection" to be any of the teams not receiving their conference AQ to make a 16-team field, and "seeding" is not a literal 1-16 seed, but bands of 1-4 that can be interchanged for travel/attendance/conference purposes.  Is that the right interpretation?  I don't know.  But I also don't see much of difference in teams when NPI is separated by hundredths.

[ND_Texan]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

This may be a bastardization of the "selection and seeding" literature, but I now take it as the "selection" to be any of the teams not receiving their conference AQ to make a 16-team field, and "seeding" is not a literal 1-16 seed, but bands of 1-4 that can be interchanged for travel/attendance/conference purposes.  Is that the right interpretation?  I don't know.  But I also don't see much of difference in teams when NPI is separated by hundredths.

The NPI is what it is, decimal fractions separations or not. Let the chips fall and use it for it's stated purpose. Otherwise subjectivity enters the process. No one wants that.

[Dustin]

19 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

The NPI is what it is, decimal fractions separations or not. Let the chips fall and use it for it's stated purpose. Otherwise subjectivity enters the process. No one wants that.

I guess to me, if it's a matter of either UConn (or UMass) or St. Thomas to be the #4 seed in Sioux Falls, it makes sense for it to be St. Thomas.

[skateshattrick]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I guess to me, if it's a matter of either UConn (or UMass) or St. Thomas to be the #4 seed in Sioux Falls, it makes sense for it to be St. Thomas.

Don't rule out Mankato. The game against St. Thomas is a home game for Mankato.

[Dustin]

7 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

Don't rule out Mankato. The game against St. Thomas is a home game for Mankato.

Yes, I know that's a possibility, I was using that grouping of 3 as an example to showcase that those teams are essentially equal and it doesn't bother if the committee wants to place them interchangeably.  The NPI is still useful in that case as it shows those 3 teams are essentially equals, at least based on the metrics input to calculate NPI.

[Dustin]

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi

Over-emphasis on the 1-16, 2-15 seeding: The NPI -- and KRACH, for that matter -- is not precise enough for the committee to confine itself so strictly to a 1-16 ordering of the teams based upon it. It's a good method for selecting teams -- because at least an objective system, even if flawed, eliminates the problems with subjectivity. But in seeding, there's no need to be so locked into the numbers when they are so close. These are too small sample sizes to do that to yourself.

[atxsioux]

1 hour ago, franchise said:

I don't view UMD as an unbeatable road block, I just find it very annoying to get to the tourney and play the same teams.

Agreed just from a neutral fan perspective. When I sit down to watch the tournament I'd choose to watch some new matchups instead of conference matchups at least in the 1st weekend.

 

Frozen four whatever - the committee can't really control that aspect as much.