NCAA seeding

[cberkas]

2 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Do you mean can't play Michigan or Michigan State or is there some kind of between the lines bylaw that I'm missing out on?

When a conference has 5 or more teams in the tournament, intra-conference matches are allowed for bracket integrity. I’m sure this happened to the WCHA once. 

[AJS]

27 minutes ago, AJS said:

Just read the Herald article. Nothing but movement away from the 1 v 16, 2 v 15 type of bracket. What’s the purpose of the NPI if it’s not going to be used.

Get frustrated with regionality. If it lines up, then fine, but moving teams around so you play a team for potentially 6th time is annoying. 

Last hot take of the day. I like the idea of UMD being the 2 seed in UND’s regional. Annoying regardless if they move teams around.

[ND_Texan]

21 minutes ago, AJS said:

Last hot take of the day. I like the idea of UMD being the 2 seed in UND’s regional. Annoying regardless if they move teams around.

Agreed! I think they lose to DU and land at #7, and will be tested to the max by #10 (Penn State?). I like our odds in a UMD rematch, should that be the case.

[franchise]

6 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

Agreed! I think they lose to DU and land at #7, and will be tested to the max by #10 (Penn State?). I like our odds in a UMD rematch, should that be the case.

I don't view UMD as an unbeatable road block, I just find it very annoying to get to the tourney and play the same teams.

[Dustin]

53 minutes ago, AJS said:

What’s the purpose of the NPI if it’s not going to be used.

This may be a bastardization of the "selection and seeding" literature, but I now take it as the "selection" to be any of the teams not receiving their conference AQ to make a 16-team field, and "seeding" is not a literal 1-16 seed, but bands of 1-4 that can be interchanged for travel/attendance/conference purposes.  Is that the right interpretation?  I don't know.  But I also don't see much of difference in teams when NPI is separated by hundredths.

[ND_Texan]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

This may be a bastardization of the "selection and seeding" literature, but I now take it as the "selection" to be any of the teams not receiving their conference AQ to make a 16-team field, and "seeding" is not a literal 1-16 seed, but bands of 1-4 that can be interchanged for travel/attendance/conference purposes.  Is that the right interpretation?  I don't know.  But I also don't see much of difference in teams when NPI is separated by hundredths.

The NPI is what it is, decimal fractions separations or not. Let the chips fall and use it for it's stated purpose. Otherwise subjectivity enters the process. No one wants that.

[Dustin]

19 minutes ago, ND_Texan said:

The NPI is what it is, decimal fractions separations or not. Let the chips fall and use it for it's stated purpose. Otherwise subjectivity enters the process. No one wants that.

I guess to me, if it's a matter of either UConn (or UMass) or St. Thomas to be the #4 seed in Sioux Falls, it makes sense for it to be St. Thomas.

[skateshattrick]

2 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I guess to me, if it's a matter of either UConn (or UMass) or St. Thomas to be the #4 seed in Sioux Falls, it makes sense for it to be St. Thomas.

Don't rule out Mankato. The game against St. Thomas is a home game for Mankato.

[Dustin]

7 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

Don't rule out Mankato. The game against St. Thomas is a home game for Mankato.

Yes, I know that's a possibility, I was using that grouping of 3 as an example to showcase that those teams are essentially equal and it doesn't bother if the committee wants to place them interchangeably.  The NPI is still useful in that case as it shows those 3 teams are essentially equals, at least based on the metrics input to calculate NPI.

[Dustin]

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=npi

Over-emphasis on the 1-16, 2-15 seeding: The NPI -- and KRACH, for that matter -- is not precise enough for the committee to confine itself so strictly to a 1-16 ordering of the teams based upon it. It's a good method for selecting teams -- because at least an objective system, even if flawed, eliminates the problems with subjectivity. But in seeding, there's no need to be so locked into the numbers when they are so close. These are too small sample sizes to do that to yourself.

[atxsioux]

1 hour ago, franchise said:

I don't view UMD as an unbeatable road block, I just find it very annoying to get to the tourney and play the same teams.

Agreed just from a neutral fan perspective. When I sit down to watch the tournament I'd choose to watch some new matchups instead of conference matchups at least in the 1st weekend.

 

Frozen four whatever - the committee can't really control that aspect as much.

[Stack]

14 hours ago, thUNDer said:

Sun 3/22 7pm ESPNU 

Selection date and time etc. are:

It's on ESPNU this Sunday March 22at 2:00PM central

[fargosioux]

Any thoughts on game time for next Thursday if/when we get placed in Sioux Falls? I believe it's the top seed's choice, correct? If so, does UND take the early game for more rest, or late game to get more fans in the seats?

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

5 hours ago, ND_Texan said:

The NPI is what it is, decimal fractions separations or not. Let the chips fall and use it for it's stated purpose. Otherwise subjectivity enters the process. No one wants that.

My favorite part of Coach Carle putting CHN's Adam Wodon in a box was Wodon saying NPI is too volatile and the margins so small that it doesn't make sense to give teams home ice advantage for receiving a top 4 seed.  To which Carle responds, but it's good enough to decide whose season ends and whose doesn't?

[R_Schneider_4]

33 minutes ago, fargosioux said:

Any thoughts on game time for next Thursday if/when we get placed in Sioux Falls? I believe it's the top seed's choice, correct? If so, does UND take the early game for more rest, or late game to get more fans in the seats?

They don’t get a choice. 

[thUNDer]

3 hours ago, Stack said:

Selection date and time etc. are:

It's on ESPNU this Sunday March 22at 2:00PM central

👍AI overview fake news again

[DB Cooper]

Herald article says 2pm...NCAA.com says 7pm....hmmm

[TwamleyShuffle]

24 minutes ago, DB Cooper said:

Herald article says 2pm...NCAA.com says 7pm....hmmm

It would not surprise me if the NCAA doesn’t know the time of their own selection event. Lollol

[Sioux90]

2 hours ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said:

My favorite part of Coach Carle putting CHN's Adam Wodon in a box was Wodon saying NPI is too volatile and the margins so small that it doesn't make sense to give teams home ice advantage for receiving a top 4 seed.  To which Carle responds, but it's good enough to decide whose season ends and whose doesn't?

It’s really hard not to like Carle. Damn.

[Sioux90]

1 hour ago, DB Cooper said:

Herald article says 2pm...NCAA.com says 7pm....hmmm

This gives me ESPN Lacrosse vibes…

[Wilbur]

I'd doubt the NCAA knows they have hockey. 

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, Sioux90 said:

It’s really hard not to like Carle. Damn.

You can like him and still root against the team he coaches.

[franchise]

6 hours ago, fargosioux said:

Any thoughts on game time for next Thursday if/when we get placed in Sioux Falls? I believe it's the top seed's choice, correct? If so, does UND take the early game for more rest, or late game to get more fans in the seats?

I would think UND would want to be the 2nd game with a barn full of green that is rowdy after watching a UMD upset.

[TwamleyShuffle]

28 minutes ago, franchise said:

I would think UND would want to be the 2nd game with a barn full of green that is rowdy after watching a UMD upset.

I would think the tv network would pick the matchup that they think will be the most views. If we get a Big 10 team in the regional they might have them play in prime time.