LFSPRO Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I am a long time supporter of the Fighting Sioux, the nickname and the logo. However after much soul searching I am to the point of saying, lets honor the honorable. I would like to suggest the Imperials. The definition of Imperials fits the University of ND and it's athletic teams. It also honors Ralph Engelstad and his contribution to the university. Since it is not an Indian name, the NCAA would not be able to restrict it's use during tournement play and the Ralph and teams would be able to use the current logo for everything other than NCAA playoffs. No longer would the Indians have a complaint as their name would no longer be associated with UND. It is time to move forward and put this issue behind everyone, could this be a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I am a long time supporter of the Fighting Sioux, the nickname and the logo. However after much soul searching I am to the point of saying, lets honor the honorable. I would like to suggest the Imperials. The definition of Imperials fits the University of ND and it's athletic teams. It also honors Ralph Engelstad and his contribution to the university. Since it is not an Indian name, the NCAA would not be able to restrict it's use during tournement play and the Ralph and teams would be able to use the current logo for everything other than NCAA playoffs. No longer would the Indians have a complaint as their name would no longer be associated with UND. It is time to move forward and put this issue behind everyone, could this be a solution? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope. They'd complain about the logo then. So far, the only thing the pro-name changers have proven to me is that they want to totally control what UND displays. They want more and more and more. They are entittled to it because of what happened to them 100 plus years ago. The logo may have been drawn by someone who is NOT Sioux, and the Sioux may have claimed to disavow it as being not Sioux, but if we change the name and keep the logo, I'd expect them to flip flop and say that the likeness of the Sioux on the jerseys should be removed. Quite frankly, if we do change the name, I think the Sioux people should have 0 input on what we change the name to. They got their wish and that's that. As for the name 'Imperials' I'd vote no. As much as I respect Ralph, I think we've honored him enough. Changing the name to honor him would be overboard, IMO. Sure, we should change the name, but it should be something that makes a statement. Honoring the Sioux is no longer in question. They don't deserve Honor and besides, they don't want to be Honored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux Hockey Fanatic Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Didn't we already change the logo back and forth several times to have a Native likeness, then not, now to a likeness. You can't possibly please everybody every time. So the changes made some happy-or happier, and others not so they tried again, that didn't work either. Changing the name or logo another time is never going to make every one happy. They should just try to come up with something that people and live with- co-exist with. Peacefully. I am not in favor of changing anything about the name or logo. I do support people treating people fairly and with respect. And I think most people that attend UND sporting events try to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kr Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Quite frankly, if we do change the name, I think the Sioux people should have 0 input on what we change the name to. They got their wish and that's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodaker Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 My stand, should the Sioux name be "retired", is to adopt no other name. Long live the University of North Dakota, and God Bless the Fighting Sioux. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I agree Go Sioux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that if all else fails, the University should keep the Fighting Sioux name. So we play post-season games on the road and we wear uniforms with only numbers on them. So what? It's a matter of principal. The NCAA is wrong and we shouldn't let them push us around. We're not hostile and abusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyZL Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that if all else fails, the University should keep the Fighting Sioux name. So we play post-season games on the road and we wear uniforms with only numbers on them. So what? It's a matter of principal. The NCAA is wrong and we shouldn't let them push us around. We're not hostile and abusive. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent post...it IS a matter of principle, whether people agree with us or not, anybody should be able to see that the NCAA is fighting a fight that it shouldn't be in at all. This is something that should be resolved between UND and the tribes of ND/SD, just like it should be between every school and namesake tribe. I say we go on the road as well if needed to prove a point, that we as a University aren't not going to be pushed around by a "bully" and it will in actuallity unite our University, city, region, together even more when this school shows it's inner strength for the country to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND Fan Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that if all else fails, the University should keep the Fighting Sioux name. So we play post-season games on the road and we wear uniforms with only numbers on them. So what? It's a matter of principal. The NCAA is wrong and we shouldn't let them push us around. We're not hostile and abusive. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> While I feel as strongly about retaining the Fighting Sioux names as anyone else, I have to disagree with you. If we lose all battles trying to retain the name, we do need to change it and get on with life. It would be very unfair to our young athletes and our coaches (and fans, for that matter) for them to have to play any post season games on the road. Just because we are upset about this, doesn't mean our teams should be put at a disadvantage. That being said, I am sure that Fighting Sioux logo'd clothing would be worn at UND athletic events for many, many years to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyMom Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 While I feel as strongly about retaining the Fighting Sioux names as anyone else, I have to disagree with you. If we lose all battles trying to retain the name, we do need to change it and get on with life. I don't think we're gonna lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND Fan Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that if all else fails, the University should keep the Fighting Sioux name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 It would be pretty cool to have an Imperial Storm Trooper as the mascot. The kids club to be called the Ewok Club. The players could ride in on those two legged llhama looking things from The Empire Strikes Back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 As much as I would hate to see the name go, how about the "Americans" and keep the logo? Wouldn't that not only be PC, but also allow us to keep the logo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMeNow Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 North Dakota GREEN AND WHITE! (it works on several levels ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GBpakrzz Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 We have all grown to love the Fighting Sioux name. I was dead set against changing the name in the beginning out of principle alone. But ya know what? Screw it. It's just a name. If people want to make issue with it as being abusive and hostile, so be it. And just to make things completely fair and impartial, I'd stop going out of my way with funding and special programs for specific races while excluding others. If there is such a program as INMED, I want to see BLACKMED, WHITEMED, HISPANICMED and ASIANMED as well. I'm quite certain EVERY race has hardships of equal value. It works both ways. If one race doesn't want to be singled out, they should get their wish..... across the board. Here come your University of North Dakota Tornados...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 It would be pretty cool to have an Imperial Storm Trooper as the mascot. But then wouldn't we be mocking and "hostile and abusive" to the NCAA "Federation"? PS - If it comes to that I get to be Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. First Natalie Portman , next the bad-ass suit and power over The Force. Sounds like a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 Folks, the NCAA won't let you - wear the logo on jerseys at NCAA tournies - allow the logo in arenas hosting NCAA tournies If you keep the logo you may as well keep the name. The NCAA is equating them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 If you keep the logo you may as well keep the name. The NCAA is equating them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Unfortunately, you're right. If the NCAA declares Bradley University "hostile and abusive" simply for using the word "chiefs" in the name of a university club, there's no way it will back down from its crusade against the Sioux name and logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 ... there's no way it will back down from its crusade against the Sioux name and logo. "Crusade" or "Jihad"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightonsioux Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I also don't want the name changed, but I also don't feel the honor and pride I once did for Native American, specifically Sioux. I do however this the Aerospace program would be very honored if we were the University of North Dakota Fighting Aeros. The only other team that uses this is Houston Aeros. I believe Aeros would bring a greater presence to our university and Aerospace program, way more presence than Sioux. I don't want to be known as an Indian school anymore, I want to be known as an Aerospace school. We may be losing out on possible college recruits with the name Sioux that we could be getting with the name Aeros. It's just a little bit more prestigous Just thinking out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 I don't want to be known as an Indian school anymore, I want to be known as an Aerospace school.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> There are other entities on campus that would probably prefer such names as the UND Litigating Lawyers or the UND Healing Docs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 ... Fighting Aeros. Miles Brand, Leigh Jeanotte, and fellow Jihadists would hear the word not as the word you use but as the homonym they want to hear and declare it a Native American reference ("arrows") and we'd still be screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I believe Aeros would bring a greater presence to our university and Aerospace program Just thinking out loud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 I believe Aeros would bring a greater presence to our university and Aerospace program Just thinking out loud. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The last thing the Aerospace program need is a fatter head by having the school named after them. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 (edited) No offense to Aerospace folks (used to be one myself) but I agree. I agree what next putting an old jets logo on the front of our jerseys? Why not a NASA logo they are out at the airport as part of UND avation now. Edited October 22, 2005 by Goon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I admire the Sioux warrior of the 1800's now as much as I ever did. This current mess changes nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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