Prospective Recruits

[ChetSteadman]

7 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

40 man camp going on this week for the 2010s. Sounds like some mn guys doing well (as expected).

Where you hearing this?  Neutral Zone on twitter (subscription)?  Just curious, I like to read the updates.

[yzerman19]

I'd like to hear as well...so if anyone has updates from boots on the ground.  

[sioux rube]

 

[scpa0305]

1 minute ago, sioux rube said:

 

Completely fine, I had heard there was no way he was playing another year of juniors.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Hopefully Bryn has some surprises up his sleeve. 

[Fratt Mattin]

31 minutes ago, scpa0305 said:

Completely fine, I had heard there was no way he was playing another year of juniors.

Really odd. It’s not like he’s dominating the WHL, why not wait a year and play for your local team?

[southpaw]

I'm not saying this is the case, but he could go to another ncaa school and still come here in 27, 28, or 29.

[scpa0305]

16 minutes ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Really odd. It’s not like he’s dominating the WHL, why not wait a year and play for your local team?

He just doesn’t want to play junior hockey anymore I guess. It isn’t for everyone. Agree though…probably needs another year unless he’s purely a bottom 6 player. He’s not a pp guy on EDM even after playing two year NTDP.

[scpa0305]

15 minutes ago, southpaw said:

I'm not saying this is the case, but he could go to another ncaa school and still come here in 27, 28, or 29.

I would highly doubt that ever happens.

[atxsioux]

The bottom 6 is quite a log jamb so it was going to be pretty damn hard to slide him in to next year's class.

The main openings are a top 6 center and top 6 winger. (Extras would be Brock, Klee, and Andrew)

 

Mac (JR)	Reschny	Simpson
		Zellers
Ollie	Kernan	Croal (JR)
Menghini (SR)	Littler (JR)	Zakreski

 

 

[Fratt Mattin]

1 hour ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Hopefully Bryn has some surprises up his sleeve. 

Losing Pilgrim and O’Neill so close together makes me think we recently picked up a silent commitment or two from some CHLers. Guessing our commits were told whether they’d be coming in this year or next and these decommits are a reaction to that

[.357]

1 minute ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Really odd. It’s not like he’s dominating the WHL, why not wait a year and play for your local team?

Strathmann is a good example of someone who agreed to delay coming to UND; worked out fine for him & he's a Chicago boy. There are other examples.

Could understand O'Neill not wanting to wait another year if he was committed to a place like Ferris St. or Bemidji, but if you're on target for a big-boy school like UND & your last name isn't Reschny or you're not burning out the scoring light, maybe best to wait until you're actually needed.

In the era of the CHL, NCAA schools hold all the cards when it comes to when/if they bring in a mid-level recruit. He's an average-sized fish in a huge pond full of similar-sized fish & bigger. A guy who really wants to play at UND & bleeds green will have no issue going back another year if that's what's asked of him. The fact that he didn't want to wait *may* be a good indicator that he *may* not have been agreeable to other coaching decisions (ie, being healthy-scratched) once he arrived on campus. A good way to test a commit's loyalty before he dons a UND jersey is to see how patient he is.

Besides, if no forwards leave early or enter the portal this year, there would only be 4 openings: Simpson, B. Schultz are locks; & the latest Sabres piece on A. Schultz made it sound like he's arriving next year, as well. That would leave room for only 1 more forward if the current roster limits don't change. Am guessing that last spot will be reserved for a top-shelf player.

[brianvf]

14 minutes ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Losing Pilgrim and O’Neill so close together makes me think we recently picked up a silent commitment or two from some CHLers. 

My thoughts too. 

[.357]

Plus Pilgrim & O'Neill would have been bottom-6 role players, & there simply wasn't enough room there with both B. & A. Schultz likely arriving. There's a logjam currently in the bottom-six. The pressing need for 26-27 is to fill Rickwood's big shoes in the center spot with a guy like Suvanto or a portal transfer; although Suvanto's very young (barely 18 yo once next season starts) & wouldn't have Rickwood's maturity & experience. BU is a good example of wanting to avoid an overabundance of youth on your team.

[Oxbow6]

2 hours ago, scpa0305 said:

Completely fine, I had heard there was no way he was playing another year of juniors.

Hockey angle aside.....terrific kid. Alway enjoyed him when he came over.

[nascar99]

5 minutes ago, .357 said:

Plus Pilgrim & O'Neill would have been bottom-6 role players, & there simply wasn't enough room there with both B. & A. Schultz likely arriving. There's a logjam currently in the bottom-six. The pressing need for 26-27 is to fill Rickwood's big shoes in the center spot with a guy like Suvanto or a portal transfer; although Suvanto's very young (barely 18 yo once next season starts) & wouldn't have Rickwood's maturity & experience. BU is a good example of wanting to avoid an overabundance of youth on your team.

Specifically youth that isn't dominant all star talent right away. All of Amico (so underwhelming that he's back in junior), Murtagh, Fondrk, Trethewey, Vass have been disappointing in major part because they aren't elite & thus getting exposed. Boston University got so desperate that they had to bring Lawrence in early, and he's just been ok.

While some of the recent Michigan teams obviously didn't win the National Championship, a lot of their young talent was elite enough to come in as young freshmen and succeed to large degrees. Same goes for Celebrini, Cooley, Sanderson, etc.

Non elite junior players aren't good enough to come into the NCAA as 18 or even 19 year olds the vast majority of the time.

[tnt]

3 hours ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Really odd. It’s not like he’s dominating the WHL, why not wait a year and play for your local team?

Next year doesn’t open up much either, with Menghini being the only senior forward.

[tnt]

3 hours ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Really odd. It’s not like he’s dominating the WHL, why not wait a year and play for your local team?

But his numbers aren’t terrible considering his size, work ethic and faceoff ability.  He does have twice as many goals as fellow 2007 Denver recruit Sam Spehar, who I don’t think has as many intangibles.   I think someone will be getting a good character guy, but as someone said, excited to see what Chyzyk and the staff have up their sleeve.

Kind of hope O’Neill and Pilgrim go to another league so we don’t have to see them possibly play well against us.

[Ndamukong_sioux]

3 hours ago, atxsioux said:

The bottom 6 is quite a log jamb so it was going to be pretty damn hard to slide him in to next year's class.

The main openings are a top 6 center and top 6 winger. (Extras would be Brock, Klee, and Andrew)

 

 

Mac (JR)	Reschny	Simpson
		Zellers
Ollie	Kernan	Croal (JR)
Menghini (SR)	Littler (JR)	Zakreski

 

 

This chart is crazy and disrespectful to the players who are actually currently in the program. How many “pegged bottom 6 guys” over the years have worked their ass off in the offseason and gotten better? Or when given the opportunity at a top 6 role ran with it? I can think of one this year in Ben Strinden who is now 2nd team all NCHC. I’m just saying don’t pigeon hole these players, there is a lot of skill in those bottom six guys.

[Fratt Mattin]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

But his numbers aren’t terrible considering his size, work ethic and faceoff ability.  He does have twice as many goals as fellow 2007 Denver recruit Sam Spehar, who I don’t think has as many intangibles.   I think someone will be getting a good character guy, but as someone said, excited to see what Chyzyk and the staff have up their sleeve.

Kind of hope O’Neill and Pilgrim go to another league so we don’t have to see them possibly play well against us.

Yeah, to be clear I think he’s a good player. I just don’t understand the rush to get to college unless you’re dominating the level you’re currently at

[tnt]

45 minutes ago, Ndamukong_sioux said:

This chart is crazy and disrespectful to the players who are actually currently in the program. How many “pegged bottom 6 guys” over the years have worked their ass off in the offseason and gotten better? Or when given the opportunity at a top 6 role ran with it? I can think of one this year in Ben Strinden who is now 2nd team all NCHC. I’m just saying don’t pigeon hole these players, there is a lot of skill in those bottom six guys.

One look no further than the thoughts of Tyler Young when he was added to play here.  Few thought he would see ice time, and he sure has proven his worth to this team in experience and attitude.  Remember, he didn’t play for a while early in the season.  We see this every year that unheralded recruits making a bigger impact than expected.  I certainly never thought a guy like Coltyn Sanderson would even play minutes for our 2016 championship team, much less making a big impact down the stretch.

[tnt]

10 minutes ago, Fratt Mattin said:

Yeah, to be clear I think he’s a good player. I just don’t understand the rush to get to college unless you’re dominating the level you’re currently at

Maybe he knows the new landscape of college hockey, and with UND only losing Menghini and possibly Reschny at forward, they  very well may be looking for immediate impact guys next year as well.  No guarantee he would be promised a spot next year either.  Who knows his thinking.

[cberkas]

O'Neill will probably end up at ASU

[.357]

7 minutes ago, cberkas said:

O'Neill will probably end up at ASU

Outside of Potter who was a transfer & not an original recruit of ASU, wondering if they will regularly get other 1st-rounders down the road. They don't have the draw of being an upper-class program with a storied history; & not familiar with their NIL financial specs or if they have an aggressive athletic dept. to haul in a Martone or Reschny. 

[atxsioux]

1 hour ago, Ndamukong_sioux said:

This chart is crazy and disrespectful to the players who are actually currently in the program. How many “pegged bottom 6 guys” over the years have worked their ass off in the offseason and gotten better? Or when given the opportunity at a top 6 role ran with it? I can think of one this year in Ben Strinden who is now 2nd team all NCHC. I’m just saying don’t pigeon hole these players, there is a lot of skill in those bottom six guys.

It’s a projection from a year out, not a line chart set in stone. Like we’ve already seen this year Kernan, Zakreski, Ollie, etc can all play up and down the lineup. 
 

They’re losing 1 center and 1/2 wings that have played in the top 6 for a majority of this year so naturally I left those 2 spots open. The 2 guys they may bring in could fill those spots or even play bottom 6 none of us now how it will shake out 
 

I enjoy and appreciate watching an effective 3rd and 4th lines just as much as a highly skilled line. That’s the beauty in hockey, there are many different ways to go about putting the puck in the net