UND @ ASU-Let the 2nd half begin.

[SiouxBoys]

39 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Specifically.....

-Chaves can stop hiring internally instead of conducting a national search. In WBB, Brewster was replaced internally by Mallory. The results speak for themselves and they are ugly. He just went internal to replace the non-renewed soccer coach. Maybe he'll get lucky on that one, but I am guessing not likely.

-Chaves can stop giving coaches an infinite amount of time to build their programs. How many years should Sather get? Mallory? Any thoughts on that? The last extension he gave Bubba was outrageous. And it cost us $750K to get out of.

-All the bells and whistles (facilities upgrades) are great and will help all programs recruit quality student-athletes. But if we have coaches in charge of programs that are underperforming (their players don't get better from one year to the next, they don't seem prepared for a particular opponent), I don't think they will be as successful as they should be.

-UND hockey has won a bunch of Penrose Cups, but national level success has been lacking for 9 long years. Fair or not (and I don't know if it is fair), national success is what people remember. We are becoming irrelevant nationally. And the longer we are, the harder it will be to fix it.

-Isn't the 1883 collective run by people outside the UND umbrella? Maybe I am wrong about that?

-We have become irrelevant compared to the other 3 Dakota schools. NDSU is celebrating another FCS title, before that, SDSU won back to back FCS titles. I think Schmidt can and will turn it around, but we wasted a lot of years and money waiting for Bubba to get it turned around. And it will make Schmidt's job that much more challenging. In basketball, all the other Dakota schools have had some national success in WBB and/or MBB. Our women's team isn't even in the same galaxy as either South Dakota school. March Madness would be a huge boon for this entire athletic department and all of UND in general, but you have to get there first.

-Finally, this whole concept that as long as the student-athletes are doing well in the classroom and the community, wins and losses are basically irrelevant, is a ridiculous false choice. You don't have to give up one to have the other. Yet, this false choice is spread on this forum by some contributors (they know who they are). I don't think we have to go to the Rutgers model, where we have great academics and athletic teams that are (with a few exceptions) mediocre.

But please, continue insisting that UND athletics is flying high and everything is "sol-id". Just don't expect me and others to buy into it.

None of this has anything to do with you claiming Armacost was the driving force for getting rid of Bubba. 

[fightingsioux4life]

30 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

None of this has anything to do with you claiming Armacost was the driving force for getting rid of Bubba. 

It was such a departure from what I have come to expect from Chaves regarding contract extensions for coaches. That is why I was speculating whether Armacost had anything to do with it.

[SiouxBoys]

3 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

It was such a departure from what I have come to expect from Chaves regarding contract extensions for coaches. That is why I was speculating whether Armacost had anything to do with it.

Your speculation is wrong. Thanks for playing.

[HoopsFan03]

10 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Your speculation is wrong. Thanks for playing.

And your speculation of his speculation is wrong. Thanks for playing. 

[McBuckets]

12 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

And your speculation of his speculation is wrong. Thanks for playing. 

Why do you believe his speculation is wrong? Can you elaborate?

[HoopsFan03]

Just now, McBuckets said:

Why do you believe his speculation is wrong? Can you elaborate?

Nope. That is something I cannot speak on. But just know that he is completely wrong. 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Specifically.....

-Chaves can stop hiring internally instead of conducting a national search. In WBB, Brewster was replaced internally by Mallory. The results speak for themselves and they are ugly. He just went internal to replace the non-renewed soccer coach. Maybe he'll get lucky on that one, but I am guessing not likely.

You gave two examples of hiring an internal candidate out of how many head coaching hires since Chaves has been here. Shockingly, one of your examples was chosen through a national search.

So he can stop doing something he's done once? 

  

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

-Chaves can stop giving coaches an infinite amount of time to build their programs. How many years should Sather get? Mallory? Any thoughts on that? The last extension he gave Bubba was outrageous. And it cost us $750K to get out of.

Sather was lauded as a pretty damn good hire. Successful program builder. Took 4 or 5 years to turn things around at his other programs. That didn't include a Covid distraction or brand new portal issues to deal with, with I think he was slightly slow to take full advantage of. He's got one season left on his contract. He might get one more chance to adapt or he could be done. I could see it going either way.

I would guess Mallory is in the same boat. Hindsight, I don't think she had good assistants her first few years coaching. I think that problem is rectified. Who knows if that changes results, but again, probably getting to close to a hard decision and might be too late.

Didn't agree with the terms of Bubba's extension with having a full buyout in place. Parts of it are more complicated than that, but some of it isn't. AD realized it was the wrong choice and rectified it without having to get donors to shell out $750K. And I think that the "new position" will mostly pay for itself over the next few years.

 

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

-Isn't the 1883 collective run by people outside the UND umbrella? Maybe I am wrong about that?

Officially, yes, because that's how it has to be under the current set up (subject to change, or we may see other options, possibly sooner than later).
Unofficially? They work hand in hand with UND and the AD's office has plenty of contact on how things are run.

 

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

-Finally, this whole concept that as long as the student-athletes are doing well in the classroom and the community, wins and losses are basically irrelevant, is a ridiculous false choice. You don't have to give up one to have the other. Yet, this false choice is spread on this forum by some contributors (they know who they are). I don't think we have to go to the Rutgers model, where we have great academics and athletic teams that are (with a few exceptions) mediocre.

But please, continue insisting that UND athletics is flying high and everything is "sol-id". Just don't expect me and others to buy into it.

No one has made either of these arguments. No one says off the field/court/ice success replaces on the field/court/ice success. Both are important. Both can be attained. One is much easier to maintain than the other with the current environment and the ebbs/flows of sports. 

 

Don't disagree with some of your comments (again, because there is absolutely no one saying that "everything is just fine as is"). Didn't address everything because some things are more nuanced and I don't have the time. But continuing to throw straw man arguments out that no one is making or just flat out dismissing or making up things is not a great way to make your points.

[McBuckets]

3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

You gave two examples of hiring an internal candidate out of how many head coaching hires since Chaves has been here. Shockingly, one of your examples was chosen through a national search.

So he can stop doing something he's done once? 

  

Sather was lauded as a pretty damn good hire. Successful program builder. Took 4 or 5 years to turn things around at his other programs. That didn't include a Covid distraction or brand new portal issues to deal with, with I think he was slightly slow to take full advantage of. He's got one season left on his contract. He might get one more chance to adapt or he could be done. I could see it going either way.

I would guess Mallory is in the same boat. Hindsight, I don't think she had good assistants her first few years coaching. I think that problem is rectified. Who knows if that changes results, but again, probably getting to close to a hard decision and might be too late.

Didn't agree with the terms of Bubba's extension with having a full buyout in place. Parts of it are more complicated than that, but some of it isn't. AD realized it was the wrong choice and rectified it without having to get donors to shell out $750K. And I think that the "new position" will mostly pay for itself over the next few years.

 

Officially, yes, because that's how it has to be under the current set up (subject to change, or we may see other options, possibly sooner than later).
Unofficially? They work hand in hand with UND and the AD's office has plenty of contact on how things are run.

 

No one has made either of these arguments. No one says off the field/court/ice success replaces on the field/court/ice success. Both are important. Both can be attained. One is much easier to maintain than the other with the current environment and the ebbs/flows of sports. 

 

Don't disagree with some of your comments (again, because there is absolutely no one saying that "everything is just fine as is"). Didn't address everything because some things are more nuanced and I don't have the time. But continuing to throw straw man arguments out that no one is making or just flat out dismissing or making up things is not a great way to make your points.

Someone give me the cliff notes on this cause Im not taking the time to read this essay

[stoneySIOUX]

Wtf is going on in this thread about the ASU series?

[GoodGood]

2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Wtf is going on in this thread about the ASU series?

I’m not sure either 

[SiouxBoys]

7 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Wtf is going on in this thread about the ASU series?

Somebody hijacked it by throwing out baseless claims. 

[Blackheart]

7 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

Somebody hijacked it by throwing out baseless claims. 

That's hardly a headline for SiouxSports.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

That's hardly a headline for SiouxSports.

The national enquirer of college hockey, think we could get Jim to add that as the official tagline?

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, SiouxBoys said:

Somebody hijacked it by throwing out baseless claims. 

Isn't that normal around here? LOL

[The Tick]

On 1/11/2025 at 10:49 AM, I Ranger said:

I've been with you all year on OMac needs to play center as he is a fish out of water on the wing just don't think having Berg center Kunz and Schmaltz is the answer. Jamernik on that wing makes more sense than Scmaltz. Berg needs to play with more talent and I wouldn't even mind Croal instead of Kunz or maybe even try Wilkie on a wing (I know this isn't going to happen but why not try). I don't have any magic combinations although I think 22 and 18 need to play together with 22 centering. 

22 is so overrated.  Unless he plays with a Blake or of same talent, he can't create anything for himself.  He is easy to rub off the puck and his puck watching in the defensive zone has hurt rather bad.  Look at the Michigan tourney game last season.  Put him on the fourth line or extra skater.

[sioux24/7]

6 hours ago, McBuckets said:

Someone give me the cliff notes on this cause Im not taking the time to read this essay

lol did you read @fightingsioux4life essay first?